C.T.

I'm sorry, what? That's absurd. Those traits are definitely associated with plenty of medical professionals.

Well, this challenge explicitly seems about interpersonal skills, and besides, Rebecca's no slouch in the medical department, especially considering what she had to deal with.

Oh, I think I gotta go with Iroh here. The mentor man to just about everybody, he always seems to know the right things to say. Shame he never tried with Azula, come on man.

Mh, hard to say. If he runs into like, a T-Rex or a Spinosaurus or something, would probably take quite a lot of stunning spells and the like to put them down.

"This isn't the kind of horsepower I'm used to, but that's alright. I got family."

RIP to my guy, most likely. Tough draw

Not all that relevant to this match but Scott Free says hi.

Well, Rebecca's sweet, adorable and overall very supportive to just about everyone she's ever met, and from what I remember, the Doc tended to be a jerk frequently, though I think he did grow to be like a classic jerk with a heart of gold type?

If he gets dropped in with his usual outfit, he's just gonna freeze to death.

Ouch, guess Shiva’s track record here doesn’t match up with her one in DCeased.

Well, gotta give props to Pizzaguy for being that convincing. Credit where it’s due! That is definitely closer than I think it should be. So, good debate.

Ok, I did say that would be the last thing I would post on this match but I guess I was premature. I don’t get this. And just for clarification… Admittedly, a good shot, yet he’s still getting knocked around more, you know? Uh, for context, you did pay attention to what Dick Grayson said, right? Also, for more context, this is what they say later. A fight she never tried to win, does that really count? Actually that’s just Dick working out his frustrated anger and Cass letting him work it out since she feels guilt for succumbing to Deathstroke drugging and mind controlling her and the actions she did while under that influence, you know? Full context? That’s a complete bluff. Or don’t, since he wouldn’t win here really. But yeah okay now I’ll try to be done, here.

As a final post on this, as I'm pretty sure I've proven repeatedly that Raph doesn't have what it takes to win here and I'm tired of going around in circles, here's some more statements on Cassandra. Raph is a great fighter, but Cass is better. This is my last on this, and besides this match is going to be over soon.

As I said, even if he is, it doesn't matter. Raph isn't an opponent who would give her trouble on her best days though. He just isn't. Dick Grayson, Red Hood, Bizarro Supergirl(for the most part? The double kick to the stomach might be too much there admittedly, oh and the throw)... It's not being a troll, it's being accurate. To use your examples, I'll bring the proof of both a Ravager and a Nightwing fight in which Cassandra was never tagged once by either of them. https://imgur.com/a/je9XN Ravager didn't land a single blow. Though in her case, there has been fights where she has, but that's due to both Cassandra being drugged, and also because she has actual precognition as well, which is something Raph doesn't. It was not from skill alone. https://imgur.com/a/H8upX Oh, look at that, neither did Nightwing. Oh, and here's another time where Nightwing admits he wouldn't even be able to land a hit if she didn't want it to, so he asks Cassandra to pretend he does. It's been proven in a fight and by Nightwing's own admission that he couldn't hit her. And you know what, neither would Raphael. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't true. So if anyone's being a troll here, it's you, sorry bud.

No, I was just illustrating the differences in approaches, there. That isn't the part that is the superior training, no. A lot of the methods are more brutal and cruel, absolutely, but they've made Cass a better fighter than Raph. About as many times I have to tell you that's not really impressive and relevant at all, I guess. For one, as has been pointed out and admitted, he's not doing that alone. Not to mention she regularly fights and wins against people stronger than her. Three, even if we go with Raphael being stronger, it doesn't even matter since Cass's body reading ability means he won't be able to land any attack and so he can't utilize any of that strength. Yeah, not a problem at all. It's actually not inferior since it made her the superior fighter, and gave her an ability he just can't counter. More brutal, cruel and malicious, yes, but not inferior. As for the illegal under those rules, you're likely right but oh hey, what's that? She's learned from plenty of other people too? Oh, and she could learn and master Raph's moves just from seeing him try to use them in the middle of the fight? Doesn't trump her greater skill and body reading ability which means he wouldn't be able to land any attacks, you know. You mean the style that Cassandra would instantly learn just by watching? And the style that wouldn't have any successful attacks hit, because of her body reading ability? Also, hey, you still haven't answered my questions! : )

Liking it has nothing to do with it, actual lasers move at the speed of light and that was clearly not the speed of light, and sorry but nothing I know about Raph indicates he has faster than light reactions. For the record, I showed you two feats of her bullet dodging actually, if you go back and look. For the sniper one, Cass's dodge is superior because she dodged the sniper shot at much closer range. The gif you're using, there's a clear distance of several feet. The sniper shot, I say again, was mere inches away from hitting her in the head. Mere inches away before she even started to move and dodge. She reacted quicker than him, we can see this from the relative distance of the bullet to target before moving. They're both point blank range, yes, but one is undeniably closer. And the second feat that I used, which was not the sniper one, also showed her dodging multiple shots, and yet again from a closer distance than Raph's one. That's how Raph's bullet dodge, while impressive, is still inferior to Cassandra's. Okay, one thing, why are you dodging my questions? Why did you not answer any of them? Is it because you know you have no good answer? Secondly, are you going to show any of these feats you describe here? That out of the way, as far as I know she's never shown to survive for hours doing so, but she can slow her breathing and heart rate, yes. Though I am not sure how relevant that is. No, she's not Iron Fist. No, she's not Iron Fist. Though, while she hasn't one shotted Supermen level characters, she has fought against some before. One example here, where she almost had Supergirl beat were it not for something she didn't expect. To be fair though, she did stack the deck in her favor with red sunlight. https://imgur.com/a/FbIwf And held her own against a Bizarro Supergirl. https://imgur.com/a/7IVBj And another time, she got through Superboy's forcefield. https://imgur.com/PBIeynr Yes, she's beaten her father, David Cain, who went through exactly that training, had all those skills, and while I'd argue they're on the same level speed wise, he was stronger than her. She still beat him though, and she didn't make it seem too difficult. That, in addition to all the greats she's beaten, in some cases completely thrashed in a fight, including Batman, Shiva, Bronze Tiger, Nightwing etc etc. Gotta disagree once more. Well, on some points. Raph might have more experience than her, I don't know how old he is in various continuities and what the general range is there, but similar training? As far as I know that's a big nope, Raph wasn't trained by depriving speech in order to become nothing more than a living breathing weapon like Cass was. Was he? Was he taught increased tolerance of pain by Splinter shooting him with guns as a young child and telling him to not dodge it, or stabbing/cutting him regularly? While Splinter taught them well, he obviously cares for his adopted sons. But David Cain trained her more brutally, kept her from developing speech like a regular person so she would become even more capable. He didn't care so long as he got his weapon. Raph's a good fighter, I've never denied that, but their training was not similar, I do not believe that. Granted, Raph is heavier than her, true. But you have not proven he's stronger than her, given that she matches his feat with the brick wall, and surpasses it with the quartz window one, as I've said multiple times now. And consequently no, you have not proven he'd win this fight. Nothing I've seen from you here indicates that to me. He's not as skilled as she is, he has no counter for her body reading ability which lets her anticipate every attack he'd try, their strength and speed are in the same range(though again, I'd argue hers is superior in both counts from the feats I presented), and bringing back a point I made earlier, she could exploit his temper. Like, the more she dodges or counters attacks, the more angry he could get, and consequently the more sloppy as well. Not that I think she would need to do so, given that she overall matches him in physical stats and is superior to him in skill and has an ability he just can't counter.

Leaning towards Snake here. Both could likely do it but I think he’d do it quicker/better

No, they don't, considering that Cass breaks through brick walls like that on the regular, and the other doesn't matter here as much as you think it does because, while it is impressive, he's not doing it alone. Again, that's not a missile at all and you saying it is doesn't make it so, sorry. Also, again, those are not actual lasers, so in comparison the only actual feat relevant there is the gunfire he dodges, which is impressive. It just happens that Cass's feat is superior, since she dodges at much closer range, with the bullet being literally inches from her ear before she even moves. She would defeat them in a 5 vs 1 as I see it, you could refuse it if you wish but that's not what the proof shows. Even if we assume the turtles are on the same level as say, Batman, which is a dubious claim as I see it, but let's say we assume that for the sake of argument, they are. Cass is still significantly more skilled than any of them, something acknowledged by Batman, Nightwing, Jason Todd, Deathstroke, Lady Shiva, on and on they all admit that Cass is superior in skill. Add to that her unique body reading ability, which serves as basically precognition, meaning she sees every attack coming before it happens. I fail to see how between her superior skill and that ability, how Raphael is expected to win this. Strength and toughness alone is not going to cut it, since she's also been proven strong enough to get through brick walls on the regular, and I repeat far more impressively, she's gotten through a window of quartz. You know, that mineral that's nearly as tough as diamond? Not to mention her own endurance, which I showed explicitly with her still being able to fight, despite being stabbed in the heart? Raph might very well still be stronger and tougher but she's not weak herself in that department and even if he is stronger and tougher, that's still nothing new to her, given she fights people like Killer Croc all the time. And beats them, for the record. So again, you really haven't proven anything and acting like I'm the one being the child here is just confusing, to me, since you're the one basically sticking your fingers in your ears and repeating yourself in a similar manner to "blah blah blah I can't hear you" and ignoring what I've shown and said. If you want to get serious, maybe you could start backing up this talk that actually puts Raphael on her level? Just saying "he's the best in the TMNT universe" doesn't mean that he's on her level. I could say "Kim Possible is the best in her universe" but that doesn't mean she'd stand up in comparison, you know? So, I'll put it plainly, has Raphael by himself, ever beaten dozens upon dozens of heavily trained ninja, then turn around and completely kick the ass of someone like Lady Shiva, who's proven to be significantly better than Batman? For the record, I'd say Batman is better than say, Shredder, and Shiva's better than Batman by a good margin, and again Cassandra, after wearing herself out on dozens upon dozens of trained ninja, completely destroys Shiva. Has Raphael ever shown himself to be hardcore enough to keep on fighting, after he's been stabbed in the heart? Because Cass has. Has Raphael ever mastered a new fighting style in 5 minutes? Because Cass has. Has Raphael ever learned and mastered a new technique in the middle of a fight, after seeing it only once? Because Cass has. Does Raphael have a way to win against someone more skilled, who can read his body and know every move he could make before he makes it, who is just as fast if not faster than him, and who also regularly fights and wins against people that are tougher and stronger than her?

You actually have not shown any feats that put him ahead, while I have done such for Cassandra. To be honest, if Cass was put in the TMNT universe, I have no doubts at all she can take all four of the turtles and Master Splinter in a 5 vs 1 and she would win. Also, same. Cass has been trained to fight since she was a baby too. Blindfolded? Please that's basic stuff. She's also defeated invisible enemies like that, so doesn't mean much. Nah, really isn't, sorry.

No, his feats do not match??? Not even close??? I've already shown feats establishing Cass's skill, how she's been acknowledged to be the most skilled of all the Bat Family by miles and miles??? How she masters a fighting style in 5 minutes???? How her body reading ability means she's going to see every attack coming???? 1. That's a slow ass fictional laser that's not even close to how fast how lasers actually go. 2. There's no missiles at all in there, there's gunfire(which Cass dodges just as casually and from even closer range), those fictional lasers, and what look like plasma/energy balls. No missiles.

This is wrong on so many levels I'm just not going to bother.

They might be, with the exception of most of the Foot Clan, but it doesn't really matter. Cass has been proven far more capable, both through action and others describing her(in fact it's been self admitted by Nightwing that he doesn't think he, Jason Todd, Tim Drake and Damian Wayne could beat Cass in a 4 vs 1 if she's going all out) so even if they are in the same class as the Bat Fam or Shiva which is a dubious claim to me, it wouldn't even matter because Cass is on a level above them. So no, Raph has not proven himself to be just as good. Not in the slightest.

I'm sorry, did you just use breaking through a brick wall as proof he's stronger when I've shown that Cass has broken through a quartz window, a mineral proven to be nearly as tough as diamond, and when Cass breaks stuff like brick and concrete on the regular? Cass is also just as fast, dodging bullets on the regular, even after they have already been fired! She does so here: Avoiding a sniper shot inches from her ear And here: Casually avoiding multiple shots with a smile Hell, she's so badass she can be stabbed in the heart or close to it and still get up and keep fighting with the blade still lodged in her chest.

Gotta full on disagree with you there, man. Raphael's good, no doubt but I don't think he's ever proven himself nearly as skilled as Cass. Not nearly. Sorry, but practically the whole Bat family are incredible, world class martial artists, and all of them concede that Cass is the best, by a wide wide margin. She has mastered new techniques after only seeing them in action once, and she seemed so accomplished at fighting with escrima sticks that Barbara Gordon assumed she'd been training with them for years and years. Turns out nope, she became a master with them training with Batman. A training session that only took five minutes, as Batman explained here: https://imgur.com/Y27DQdj Or that time she fought dozens upon dozens of highly accomplished assassins: https://imgur.com/a/jYkFw and then even after all that, she turned around and kicked her mom Lady Shiva's ass too: Raph is good. Cass is better.

Mh, yeah, that's the thing. Cassandra hardly ever uses gadgets beyond like, a grapple gun and that's just for getting around from place to place. Like 95% of her fights she just uses fists. Once in a blue moon she'll use like a sword or something but as a member of the Bat family she's the one who uses tools the absolute least. So...yeah. Her victory record with just fists is pretty solid. And yeah, that's true in reality but with Cass, there's not a doubt in my mind she'd be the exception to that rule.