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Match 17861 Bonne Jenet vs. Darli Dagger
DSkillz replied to JohnnyChany's topic in CBUB Rated Matches
Dang, I've been missing out on some good matches of late! Welcome back, Johnny, and another good set-up. Good to see you've followed up on the Ash/Necalli and Dee Jay/Christie fights. And, yes, Bonne finally loses one! I would've voted for Darli here because, just like Jenet's other fights, she was realistically outmatched on paper. -
Man, just missed the cut due to some factors I had little to no control over (some bad match-ups, not to mention some weird results), as well as some unforced errors (really should've remembered to vote in my 12th round match-ups). Congrats to those that overcame all of this to make the Death Matches! I hope we have someone to take over by lease's end so we can continue the good times here.
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It's still certain that the average "applicant" from other planets would be stronger and/or smarter than most humans. Still not sure that Indy would make the cut. Still not sure what panels you've seen, but in the one from the article none of the steering mechanisms can be seen from outside the vehicles: So, it may be at best, a big assumption that their steering is as primitive as Earth's. But allow me to take this in a new direction. Let's assume for a moment that Indy could someone translate Warworld's language and communicate with its inhabitants. It's pretty likely he may run into a girl like this one: In this comic, Superman brings this girl from Warworld to relative safety. I'm assuming there was some sort of automatic translator involved since she was speaking in another tongue at first (again, something that I doubt Indy would get assess to, but I digress): Note that even after being rescued, she still has a mentality that she needs to stay in those chains because they represent power on Warworld. After seeing someone like this, Indy's occasional Chronic Hero Syndrome could take over and he may very well be tempted to try to save her and other young men and women like her, much like he tried with the child slaves in Temple of Doom: Unlike in the kids in Temple of Doom, Warworld's slavery, gladiatorial mentality would be much further ingrained in their prisoners, so Indy would be very unlikely to turn them around, let alone save them. Also, the security in Warworld is much more dangerous and harsh than Mola Ram and the Thuggie, so if Indy stirs the pot in Warworld, he's much less likely to escape, especially since there's no sidekick to help him out like Short Round (not that Short Round would be helpful on this planet). Still, given Jones' history of playing the hero for those less fortunate, he's very likely going to try, and that will very likely cost him, and well within 24 hours.
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Ah, I keep forgetting that rounds last four days instead of three in this Draft. I didn't even have to be up so late to type that last post, lol. I'm speaking of the individuals chosen for their intellect. On an intergalactic level, I'm not so sure Indy would fit the criteria. I said he couldn't look as rugged as the warzoons. Note that many of them look much more haggard and scarred than Indy, and many have missing limbs and hands: New Details on Warworld Characters as “Action Comics #1036” is Delayed – Superman Homepage There's no such evidence shown that those cars have controls that simplistic. We just have those pictures and the author's word that they're much more complex underneath. The Bat Family generally carries powerful tools that can take on at least reasonably huge threats on a regular basis, (even more so than Indy does) as well as the wit to match. And then he'll run into the problems of planet-wide surveillance and processing. And yet, you're still saying that Indy, who has even fewer tools in his disposal, is going to last as long? I was saying that whether or not all of Indy's feats across various media are canon to him, Batman still has more varied experience, and against many more and more dangerous threats. If Hun'Ya can be beat in H2H by a non-powered, non-equipped human, there's clearly some doubt to this claim.
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Thanks, man, you too. It was good -- and busy. Mongul's Warworld still has a very good shot at doing so, as I still doubt Indy has the physical and intellectual chops to survive. He likely will stick if he's not as rugged, scarred, or tattooed as the more humanoid figures often appear to be. Going by what that comic's author said, they only appear as Earth automobiles on the outside. Underneath, they're likely much more advanced. And honestly, none of the parts of alien tech that Jones put together in the gifs provided looked any more advanced that something you'd find on Earth. Being the Bat Family, it's pretty certain that they had more powerful tools on hand than Indy does to deal with those forces, especially since they already had an idea what they were dealing with and could prepare accordingly. Besides, many of Warworld's combatants generally take on beings on the level of the average Justice League member as a whole, so it's pretty certain they're a good deal more powerful than humans. Even if we consider all of Jones's feats from every media he's been in as canon, Batman in-canon has still seen and experienced more and more varied threats. From the looks of it, his people challenged worlds much more through their tech than any physical ability they may have. He translated Mayan, which no doubt several Earth languages have some basis in. Alien languages would not have the same basis. And if Indy fits none of the above, he'll get turned into raw materials, which could happen within a day.
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Match 17865 Michael Myers vs. Jason Voorhees
DSkillz replied to WeAreVenom88's topic in CBUB Rated Matches
Good scenario, but it could've really been a rumble. Try to add more story to your next match. As for the match, I think Jason has more damage soak, so he should probably win this one. -
Android 8 was pretty tough, if I recall, if not nearly Android 16/17/18 tough. Not sure if Sub-Zero has the physical capability here.
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The time away during New Year's probably cost me here, but here we go ... Indy would still stand out among the warzoons, since he's not as rugged-looking or have any particular markings or even matching skin tone for the most part. I also seriously doubt he'd be able to mug someone and take their clothing like he's done with soldiers in his films, as the warzoons are an advanced alien species. Besides, if Brainiac is running Warworld, there's a very good chance he wouldn't allow any biological lifeforms on the planet and eradicate them quickly. He's going to learn the culture and the language of an alien world in under 24 hours? GTFO. He's very good, I'll grant you that, but he'd have to be almost psychic to learn enough of it fast enough to blend in. Also, if this is Brainiac's Warworld. Indy's not gonna blend in with interstellar tech. Nice try, but it straight up says right in the article you provided here that they only look like Earth vehicles on the outside, and they are much more advanced. And as a reminder, Indy mainly has experience with Earth vehicles from the 20th century. And again, the DC heroes as a whole have more experience dealing with a more varied array of supernatural and extraterrestrial beings than Indy, such as White Martians, various Apokoliptian forces, Daxamites, Imperiex's probes, Manhunters (the androids, not J'onn), 5th Dimensional Imps (Mister Mxyzptlk, Bat Mite, etc.), various god pantheons, witches (Circe, Morgaine le Fey, Enchantress, etc.), magicians like Spellbender and Felix Faust, and so on. Your point? You're kind of proving my point for me here. Batman easily has more accomplishments than Indy in various fields in his 80+ year history in comics, tv, film, games, etc. If even you don't think Batman can survive on Warworld, how do you think Indy going to do so with much fewer resources and skill? And you seriously think this is anywhere near as advanced as tools used to keep members of the Justice League at bay? Yeah, and I remember how drinking the Blood of Kali went for him. He didn't break free of its influence on his own, if I recall. Hun'Ya must've been physically one of the weaker aliens out there if Ali (one of the most physically capable men in history, but still a normal human) could beat him without any enhancements. It's also kind of curious Superman didn't just take out the alien armada from jump, since he ends up doing so anyway in the end. I think you're talking about this panel: Respect Warworld, The Warship Planet (Complete Respect Thread) - Gen. Discussion - Comic Vine (gamespot.com) We don't know how long that processing takes. Warworld's tech is much more advanced than Earth's, so for all we know, they may process millions of specimens within a day's time. Also, if this is Brainiac's Warworld, he likely wouldn't even bother with taking prisoners anyway. Off the top of my head, I've never known any human specimens being considered for use on Warworld. If they're looking for the strongest beings, relatively-normal humans certainly won't make the cut. If they're looking for the smartest, they'd be better off seeking out Batman, Mister Terrific, Lex Luthor, etc. in their own universe. If Warworld is run by Brainiac, he very likely won't tolerate one single human that suddenly appeared on the planet. On Mongul's Warworld, I still seriously doubt Jones could physically or mentally hang with the various elements there on his own.
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Gah, this round falling on New Year's turned out to be a bad time for me. I did log in on New Year's Eve but I didn't have time to post. Might've cost me a shot at getting in the Death Matches. But I digress ... A pirate's interpretation of justice may not matter here. Tyr's main role as a god was to upload law and justice, so it's likely he may have done so in the strictest sense of both. Pirates' idea of justice very likely may not hold up to Tyr's standards, so they may not be so inclined to follow him and may instead incur his wrath. In the meantime, Horus could possibly cater to a pirate's needs more directly. He could promise them at least a share of the pharoahs' riches and assure that they are safe from the weather on their journeys on the seas.
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12:15 - The Punisher vs. Goliath (Gargoyles)
DSkillz replied to UMPIRE's topic in CBUB Season Draft Matches
Eh, I think some here have been overrating Goliath's durability a bit. Gargoyles are at least aware that they aren't bullet-proof. That AA-gun feat? It kinda looks more like the shot grazed Goliath more than hit him directly. https://streamable.com/ubg08 Not sure that qualifies as a tanking. But yeah, Frank's still gonna have to be packing something pretty strong to put the hurt on the big guy. -
Huh, pretty sure I logged out last night ... Anyways, something just occurred to me. With each team having ten slots instead of seven this time around, @Fox, what happens if at least one of the Death Matches ends in a 5-5 slot tie?
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Eh, none of those feats are going to matter if Indy is constantly surveilled. If Warworld can keep track of the entire Justice League trying to invade, it can surely keep an eye on one human with significantly less power and cunning maybe on par. From there, a mind control probe can be placed on Indy to control/brainwash him (note that the probes were fast enough to be placed on the likes of Flash and Guy Gardner while they were in motion), or teleport Indy to wherever the controlling party wishes, like a combat arena, for instance, and even from miles away. Warworld can also create an army of Manhunters (androids that can take on -- and often defeat -- Green Lanterns). All the feats listed for Indy against those various being depended on him finding a specific weakness to defeat them. He's not gonna get the opportunity -- let alone have the ability -- to do so here.
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Doubtful it's gonna be that easy to hide away. Warworld has technology more advanced than anything Indy has seen on Earth, so there's all manner of surveillance tools to keep track of citizens and visitors. Also, the transportation's more advanced, so Indiana Jones, whose main adventuring experience spans from WW1 to the Civil Right era, likely wouldn't begin to know how to pilot a vehicle there. You left out some context. First of all, unlike Indy in this scenario, Batman did not go to Warworld alone, so mentioning Bats' adventures there shouldn't really matter in these conditions. Second of all, Batman also has all kinds of experience with all kinds of threats, whether they be extraterrestrial or supernatural, and certainly has had more varied experiences than Indy. And finally, Bats has a lot more resources at his disposal than Indy ever did. Netherworld doesn't look like it's as dangerous as Warworld, as Superman has mentioned the only thing capable of destroying it was Warworld itself. Also, the second link mentions that Jones supposedly visited Xibalba, and it doesn't really go into detail what dangers are in the area. None of that really compares to what Jones would have to deal with on Warworld, such as Black Mercy Flowers and an army made up of the strongest members of various alien races (where a human like Indy would stand out like a sore thumb). As mentioned, none of those Earth-bound foes would really compare to warriors from the best specimens from around the cosmos. BTW, was the game from which that stone-pulling feat comes from made by the same developers that made the Tomb Raider games? Gameplay looks very similar.
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Three-way tie for third, with others not far behind? Ack. 😐
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Well, Horus is the Egyptian god of the sky and kingship. Ancient Egyptian armies had plenty of experience with sea travel and warfare, so that's common ground he could have with pirates. Also, with Horus being the god of the sky and pharoah, he could promise the pirates that they could sail under calm skies and give them a nice chunk of the pharoah's wealth. People may look at Tyr and say "Norse God, he's good with Vikings, so he might be good with pirates". Looking deeper into it, though, Tyr is, among other things, the Norse god of justice, so the rougish pirates may not want to deal with him for long.
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12:14 - Carol Danvers vs. The Flash (Wally West)
DSkillz replied to UMPIRE's topic in CBUB Season Draft Matches
I don't know; Flash has ways to counter a lot of her moves via the Speed Force. Between that and Carol's abilities, this realistically could've just about gone either way. -
12:14 - Toucan Sam vs. Mayhem (Allstate)
DSkillz replied to UMPIRE's topic in CBUB Season Draft Matches
Heh, fatigue when we're this close to the end of the Draft? Besides, you barely even debate as it is, Venom, as well as a good forth of the participants. But, I guess I kind of see your points here. -
12:14 - Toucan Sam vs. Mayhem (Allstate)
DSkillz replied to UMPIRE's topic in CBUB Season Draft Matches
Not enough people debating in these things. And man, Toucan Sam keeps getting lucky with this terrain. -
That's more or less a similar deal to what the Phalanx do, except that they work on a galactic scale. The only reason that they didn't conquer 616 Earth is because they have trouble assimilating mutated humans. They wouldn't have the same issue with normal, mutant-less Earth, let alone another interstellar race.
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I remember this fight. Apocalypse once restrained Hulk until he stopped fighting, then convinced him to become arguably his most powerful incarnation, Horseman of War Hulk. It's possible Apocalypse might just have the tools to beat the Jade Giant.
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12:14 - Seras Victoria vs. Moon Knight
DSkillz replied to UMPIRE's topic in CBUB Season Draft Matches
Seras seems to have the advantage here. With her skills, much-superior physicals, regen, and other abilities, it's gonna be pretty tough for Moon Knight to compensate. -
12:14 - Clock King vs. Batroc the Leaper
DSkillz replied to UMPIRE's topic in CBUB Season Draft Matches
UMPIRE's kind of weird in this round with all the rematches. Clock King is a Gothamite, so assuming that he could nab Alfred with one of his well-timed plans, he likely knows plenty of places to keep him hidden to wait for the ransom to be paid. -
Isis apparently has the most powerful magic of the Egyptian gods, so she could conceivably use it to entice the Toons to her.
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12:14 - Spot (Dr. J. Ohnn) vs. Polka-Dot Man
DSkillz replied to UMPIRE's topic in CBUB Season Draft Matches
And since people here mainly listen to feats and stats, here's Spot's abilities. He can also use his portals with more ease than Polka-Dot Man can, since Polka-Dot Man's abilites stem from his outfit instead of them literally becoming part of his being like the Spot.
