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Man, just missed the cut due to some factors I had little to no control over (some bad match-ups, not to mention some weird results), as well as some unforced errors (really should've remembered to vote in my 12th round match-ups). Congrats to those that overcame all of this to make the Death Matches!
I hope we have someone to take over by lease's end so we can continue the good times here.
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7 hours ago, RiotGear said:
Warworld is making selections based on what "applicants" they have on hand, not on what might be in the galaxy.
If they were doing it your way, there would be no warriors on Warworld below the level of Kryptonians and there clearly are. The intelligence selection is going to work the same way and Indy has more raw intelligence than most that make there way to Warworld.
It's still certain that the average "applicant" from other planets would be stronger and/or smarter than most humans. Still not sure that Indy would make the cut.
7 hours ago, RiotGear said:In the article the author says that some of the vehicles came from earth and that the others are different under the hood. Again he is talking out power supply etc. Steer wheels/shifter etc while inside the cab are visible from outside it. They are part of the exterior of the vehicle, when compared to what under the hood.
Still not sure what panels you've seen, but in the one from the article none of the steering mechanisms can be seen from outside the vehicles:
So, it may be at best, a big assumption that their steering is as primitive as Earth's.
But allow me to take this in a new direction. Let's assume for a moment that Indy could someone translate Warworld's language and communicate with its inhabitants. It's pretty likely he may run into a girl like this one:
In this comic, Superman brings this girl from Warworld to relative safety.
I'm assuming there was some sort of automatic translator involved since she was speaking in another tongue at first (again, something that I doubt Indy would get assess to, but I digress):
Note that even after being rescued, she still has a mentality that she needs to stay in those chains because they represent power on Warworld.
After seeing someone like this, Indy's occasional Chronic Hero Syndrome could take over and he may very well be tempted to try to save her and other young men and women like her, much like he tried with the child slaves in Temple of Doom:
Unlike in the kids in Temple of Doom, Warworld's slavery, gladiatorial mentality would be much further ingrained in their prisoners, so Indy would be very unlikely to turn them around, let alone save them. Also, the security in Warworld is much more dangerous and harsh than Mola Ram and the Thuggie, so if Indy stirs the pot in Warworld, he's much less likely to escape, especially since there's no sidekick to help him out like Short Round (not that Short Round would be helpful on this planet).
Still, given Jones' history of playing the hero for those less fortunate, he's very likely going to try, and that will very likely cost him, and well within 24 hours.
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Ah, I keep forgetting that rounds last four days instead of three in this Draft. I didn't even have to be up so late to type that last post, lol.
8 hours ago, RiotGear said:What do you think those physical/intellectual chops are?
Because what we see on Warworld is individuals who do not share Indy's intellectual ability and who can physically be put down by human level opponents.
I'm speaking of the individuals chosen for their intellect. On an intergalactic level, I'm not so sure Indy would fit the criteria.
8 hours ago, RiotGear said:Indiana Jones is not rugged and scarred? Your reaching man. Indy is the epitome of rugged adventure hero.
I said he couldn't look as rugged as the warzoons. Note that many of them look much more haggard and scarred than Indy, and many have missing limbs and hands:
New Details on Warworld Characters as “Action Comics #1036” is Delayed – Superman Homepage
8 hours ago, RiotGear said:A cars controls, while inside the cab are still on the exterior of the vehicle compared to the engine/transmission. If you are going for a car aesthetic you are not gonna operate via touch screen. Also with two arms and legs there are only so many ways your going to set up controls to drive.
There's no such evidence shown that those cars have controls that simplistic. We just have those pictures and the author's word that they're much more complex underneath.
8 hours ago, RiotGear said:What did the Bat Family bring, cause it looked like they largely had there regular gear. Gear they use to take down there regular enemies. Opponents that Indy can take down with wit and a whip.
The Bat Family generally carries powerful tools that can take on at least reasonably huge threats on a regular basis, (even more so than Indy does) as well as the wit to match.
8 hours ago, RiotGear said:Also the Bat Family had mission, places to go. Jones doesn't he can run away from and avoid conflict.
And then he'll run into the problems of planet-wide surveillance and processing.
8 hours ago, RiotGear said:The touch of added variation that Batman may have seen, isn't going to make huge difference on Warworld. It's stuff like time travel. Which isn't really pertinent to post apocalyptic survival.
And yet, you're still saying that Indy, who has even fewer tools in his disposal, is going to last as long?
8 hours ago, RiotGear said:Also weird way to say Indiana Jones doesn't have the same experience as Batman.
Wording wise it's seems like you're trying to suggest Indy's feats shouldn't count or aren't Canon.
I was saying that whether or not all of Indy's feats across various media are canon to him, Batman still has more varied experience, and against many more and more dangerous threats.
8 hours ago, RiotGear said:Hun'Ya's people had challenged the champions of other worlds before, not just rolled in with there armada.
If Hun'Ya can be beat in H2H by a non-powered, non-equipped human, there's clearly some doubt to this claim.
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35 minutes ago, RiotGear said:
First off happy New Year, I hope you had a good one.
Thanks, man, you too. It was good -- and busy.
1 hour ago, RiotGear said:If Brainiac Warworld is going to auto kill any organic life than it's gonna be DQ from the location slot. So this has to be Mongul's.
Mongul's Warworld still has a very good shot at doing so, as I still doubt Indy has the physical and intellectual chops to survive.
35 minutes ago, RiotGear said:There are hundreds of different kinds of aliens on Warworld. Still a lot of them mostly human shaped, Jones is not gonna stick out.
He likely will stick if he's not as rugged, scarred, or tattooed as the more humanoid figures often appear to be.
37 minutes ago, RiotGear said:Those Warworld cars were designed to mimic cars even if they are not powers by internal combustion engines. Also as I've pointed out Indy has adapted to alien tech before.
Going by what that comic's author said, they only appear as Earth automobiles on the outside. Underneath, they're likely much more advanced.
And honestly, none of the parts of alien tech that Jones put together in the gifs provided looked any more advanced that something you'd find on Earth.
41 minutes ago, RiotGear said:My point about Batman/Jason Todd/Barbara Gordon was that they are human level combatants that survived on Warworld and managed to fight the Warzone/inhabitants of Warworld in spite of the fact that you keep insisting that said inhabitants are way more powerful than humans.
Being the Bat Family, it's pretty certain that they had more powerful tools on hand than Indy does to deal with those forces, especially since they already had an idea what they were dealing with and could prepare accordingly.
Besides, many of Warworld's combatants generally take on beings on the level of the average Justice League member as a whole, so it's pretty certain they're a good deal more powerful than humans.
50 minutes ago, RiotGear said:As to experience, really the only thing that I can think of that Batman has done that Jones doesn't have experience with is maybe time travel.
And I don't think Bruce used time travel to survive Warworld.
Even if we consider all of Jones's feats from every media he's been in as canon, Batman in-canon has still seen and experienced more and more varied threats.
1 hour ago, RiotGear said:Hun'Ya's people traveled around challenging worlds and Hun'Ya was specifically designed to be the best.
Yet he was bested by a human.
From the looks of it, his people challenged worlds much more through their tech than any physical ability they may have.
1 hour ago, RiotGear said:In "Crystal Skull" Indy translated a language he did know with in a day. Granted he did so based on languages he did know, but it does indicate his ability to learn
He translated Mayan, which no doubt several Earth languages have some basis in. Alien languages would not have the same basis.
1 hour ago, RiotGear said:Also like you said we don't know how long it takes to process and once again even if he is processed in a day, they still have to get around to killing him. Which again is not normally what Warworld is after, they want an army and a slave labor force.
Oh and even if they would prefer Luther to Jones, Luther is not there and they are sorting what specimens they have on hand.
And if Indy fits none of the above, he'll get turned into raw materials, which could happen within a day.
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Good scenario, but it could've really been a rumble. Try to add more story to your next match.
As for the match, I think Jason has more damage soak, so he should probably win this one.
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Android 8 was pretty tough, if I recall, if not nearly Android 16/17/18 tough. Not sure if Sub-Zero has the physical capability here.
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The time away during New Year's probably cost me here, but here we go ...
On 12/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, RiotGear said:Warworld is still huge, with a planet's population of inhabitants.
Even if they can pinpoint him, why would they he is one random guy in a population of millions.
Indy would still stand out among the warzoons, since he's not as rugged-looking or have any particular markings or even matching skin tone for the most part. I also seriously doubt he'd be able to mug someone and take their clothing like he's done with soldiers in his films, as the warzoons are an advanced alien species.
Besides, if Brainiac is running Warworld, there's a very good chance he wouldn't allow any biological lifeforms on the planet and eradicate them quickly.
On 12/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, RiotGear said:This is also where Jones education in archeology, anthropology, and linguistics.
Come into play. He learns culture for a living and is something of a polyglot. He is going to learn the culture and the language in no time flat. Then blend in and disappear.
He's going to learn the culture and the language of an alien world in under 24 hours? GTFO. He's very good, I'll grant you that, but he'd have to be almost psychic to learn enough of it fast enough to blend in.
Also, if this is Brainiac's Warworld. Indy's not gonna blend in with interstellar tech.
On 12/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, RiotGear said:What's so different about there transportation. It seems to largely be made up of tracked vehicles and aircraft.
Hell they've got some cars.
Indy has operated cars, trucks, motorcycles, boats, submarines, trains, planes, hot air balloons etc. He once said if it's got wheels he can drive it, but he has also proven it's doesn't need wheels for him to figure it out.
Nice try, but it straight up says right in the article you provided here that they only look like Earth vehicles on the outside, and they are much more advanced. And as a reminder, Indy mainly has experience with Earth vehicles from the 20th century.
On 12/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, RiotGear said:Thanks for the context and pointing out that Barbara Gordon and Jason Todd also survived on Warworld.
Yes they had members of the Justice League/Superman family with them, but they weren't locked in Nth metal playpens, with Kryptonian babysitters the whole time.
They were humans that mixed it up with the armies of Warworld and survived.
And again, the DC heroes as a whole have more experience dealing with a more varied array of supernatural and extraterrestrial beings than Indy, such as White Martians, various Apokoliptian forces, Daxamites, Imperiex's probes, Manhunters (the androids, not J'onn), 5th Dimensional Imps (Mister Mxyzptlk, Bat Mite, etc.), various god pantheons, witches (Circe, Morgaine le Fey, Enchantress, etc.), magicians like Spellbender and Felix Faust, and so on.
Your point?
On 12/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, RiotGear said:Does Batman have more varied experience then Indy?
Maybe he's done a couple more things, but I'm not sure any of it would be pertinent to surviving Warworld.
What are Bruce's resources gonna do for him on Warworld. He's there with what he can carry.
You're kind of proving my point for me here. Batman easily has more accomplishments than Indy in various fields in his 80+ year history in comics, tv, film, games, etc. If even you don't think Batman can survive on Warworld, how do you think Indy going to do so with much fewer resources and skill?
On 12/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, RiotGear said:Don't think the black mercy flower or mind control is going to work.
Indy can resist telepathic probing
And you seriously think this is anywhere near as advanced as tools used to keep members of the Justice League at bay?
On 12/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, RiotGear said:He can also see through illusion/magic
And if all else fails Jones still has his "spirit animal"
To center and guide him.
Yeah, and I remember how drinking the Blood of Kali went for him. He didn't break free of its influence on his own, if I recall.
On 12/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, RiotGear said:I don't mean to be that guy, but those "best specimens from around the cosmos" don't really have any feats of there own.
Infact we know from the comics that human level opponents like Batman, Redwood, and Batgirl can take them down.
We have other examples from DC Comics as well where alien champions are taken down by human fighters.
Sure Hun'Ya loses to Ali. Still all this combined suggests that simply being the best/strongest of an alien race, doesn't put you leagues above humans.
Hun'Ya must've been physically one of the weaker aliens out there if Ali (one of the most physically capable men in history, but still a normal human) could beat him without any enhancements. It's also kind of curious Superman didn't just take out the alien armada from jump, since he ends up doing so anyway in the end.
On 12/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, RiotGear said:Also let's look at Warworld select process
First off this shows us that they take prisoners and then said prisoners are processed.
With the scope we are dealing with Indy could get captured and still be waiting for selection by the time his 24 hours ends.
I think you're talking about this panel:
We don't know how long that processing takes. Warworld's tech is much more advanced than Earth's, so for all we know, they may process millions of specimens within a day's time.
Also, if this is Brainiac's Warworld, he likely wouldn't even bother with taking prisoners anyway.
On 12/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, RiotGear said:Even if he is evaluated, he is a trained spy who has been captured before. He can play along and as stated above Warworld is not just looking for muscle, but also the smarts and Dr. Jones has that.
Along with physical abilities on par with other members of the citizenry. Heck even if he is sorted into the gladiatorial pool or domestic service. He is unlikely to die right away.
Off the top of my head, I've never known any human specimens being considered for use on Warworld. If they're looking for the strongest beings, relatively-normal humans certainly won't make the cut. If they're looking for the smartest, they'd be better off seeking out Batman, Mister Terrific, Lex Luthor, etc. in their own universe.
On 12/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, RiotGear said:Let's break this down
First. Warworld has to care enough about Indy to find him.
Then they have to find him.
Then capture him.
Then process him.
Then send him where he needs to go.
Then which ever caste/area he ends up in needs to get around to killing him. ( Note most recruits aren't killed right away. Warworld prefers to use them for slave labor etc.)
And all of this has to happen in a single day.
For all it's lethality, Warworld is still has a government, it has bureaucracy, red tape, chain of command, standard operating procedure etc.
Indy on the other hand is a single individual in a huge population. Allowed to move freely and do as he sees fit.
If Warworld is run by Brainiac, he very likely won't tolerate one single human that suddenly appeared on the planet. On Mongul's Warworld, I still seriously doubt Jones could physically or mentally hang with the various elements there on his own.
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Gah, this round falling on New Year's turned out to be a bad time for me. I did log in on New Year's Eve but I didn't have time to post. Might've cost me a shot at getting in the Death Matches.
But I digress ...
On 12/31/2021 at 2:27 AM, Peypeypeypey said:Pirates had their own pirate codes, which were a sense of justice. They pillaged and raided, sure, but they weren't people without justice. Is it fundamentally different from, say, warriors raiding and plundering for their king's whims? The pirates just cut out the middle man
A pirate's interpretation of justice may not matter here. Tyr's main role as a god was to upload law and justice, so it's likely he may have done so in the strictest sense of both. Pirates' idea of justice very likely may not hold up to Tyr's standards, so they may not be so inclined to follow him and may instead incur his wrath.
In the meantime, Horus could possibly cater to a pirate's needs more directly. He could promise them at least a share of the pharoahs' riches and assure that they are safe from the weather on their journeys on the seas.
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18 hours ago, Peypeypeypey said:
Punisher definitely has weapons that could take out Goliath, but they aren't standard load-out. If it's a random encounter, I don't think he has the firepower to take down the guy who can tank anti-air guns
Eh, I think some here have been overrating Goliath's durability a bit. Gargoyles are at least aware that they aren't bullet-proof.
That AA-gun feat? It kinda looks more like the shot grazed Goliath more than hit him directly.
Not sure that qualifies as a tanking.
But yeah, Frank's still gonna have to be packing something pretty strong to put the hurt on the big guy.
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Huh, pretty sure I logged out last night ...
Anyways, something just occurred to me. With each team having ten slots instead of seven this time around, @Fox, what happens if at least one of the Death Matches ends in a 5-5 slot tie?
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Eh, none of those feats are going to matter if Indy is constantly surveilled. If Warworld can keep track of the entire Justice League trying to invade, it can surely keep an eye on one human with significantly less power and cunning maybe on par.
From there, a mind control probe can be placed on Indy to control/brainwash him (note that the probes were fast enough to be placed on the likes of Flash and Guy Gardner while they were in motion), or teleport Indy to wherever the controlling party wishes, like a combat arena, for instance, and even from miles away.
Warworld can also create an army of Manhunters (androids that can take on -- and often defeat -- Green Lanterns).
All the feats listed for Indy against those various being depended on him finding a specific weakness to defeat them. He's not gonna get the opportunity -- let alone have the ability -- to do so here.
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2 hours ago, RiotGear said:
Warworld is vast, it's basically a planet. There is a good chance that any survivor dropped there could spend a day holed up. Find a corner of some huge castle or construct and ride it out and contrary to popular belief Dr. Jones is just fine with hiding and sneaking. Infact half the time he has to be drug in to adventure and once there does his best to avoid confrontation.
Doubtful it's gonna be that easy to hide away. Warworld has technology more advanced than anything Indy has seen on Earth, so there's all manner of surveillance tools to keep track of citizens and visitors. Also, the transportation's more advanced, so Indiana Jones, whose main adventuring experience spans from WW1 to the Civil Right era, likely wouldn't begin to know how to pilot a vehicle there.
2 hours ago, RiotGear said:Also while Warworld tends to be a Superman setting. Batman has also survived stays on it and battling it's citizenry.
Batman who for all his skill and accolades is still human.
You left out some context.
First of all, unlike Indy in this scenario, Batman did not go to Warworld alone, so mentioning Bats' adventures there shouldn't really matter in these conditions. Second of all, Batman also has all kinds of experience with all kinds of threats, whether they be extraterrestrial or supernatural, and certainly has had more varied experiences than Indy. And finally, Bats has a lot more resources at his disposal than Indy ever did.
2 hours ago, RiotGear said:This is not Indy's first experience with a combat environment. He fought in both World Wars. Including surviving The Battle of the Somme, one of the deadliest battles in human history.
He also had war declared on him by Nazi Germany and survived. While inside there territory.
He has also traveled too and survived in a couple versions of hell.
Netherworld doesn't look like it's as dangerous as Warworld, as Superman has mentioned the only thing capable of destroying it was Warworld itself.
Also, the second link mentions that Jones supposedly visited Xibalba, and it doesn't really go into detail what dangers are in the area.
2 hours ago, RiotGear said:Jones also has a good deal of experience with superhuman and supernatural opponents. Such as...
Cyborgs
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Helmut_von_Mephisto
Robots
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Robot_Guardian
Zombies
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Zombie
Dragons
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon
Ice monsters
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Ice_Guardian
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Ice_Creature
Lava monsters
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Lava_Guardian
Giants
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Shintay
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Homonculus
Giant octopus
None of that really compares to what Jones would have to deal with on Warworld, such as Black Mercy Flowers and an army made up of the strongest members of various alien races (where a human like Indy would stand out like a sore thumb).
2 hours ago, RiotGear said:As far as skill goes he is not only tournament winning boxer
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Boxing_medal
, But also has wins over three Olympic Gold Medalist boxers
Biff
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Biff_(German)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CsaSJYluunA
Fritz ( guard )
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Fritz_(guard)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iug0xAA7wCM
Fritz ( ticket taker )
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Fritz_(ticket_taker)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BggPfjukV0w
Physically he is able to smash through stone/brick walls.
Send people flying with his blows.
https://gfycat.com/unknownhardtofindgrizzlybear
Pull giant stone blocks
https://gfycat.com/complexsilvercottontail
Is fast enough to dodge/block guns shots, arrows, thrown weapons.
https://gfycat.com/obesehighlark
Tough enough to get smacked around by a bears and bull.
And agile enough to pull off stuff like this.
https://gfycat.com/fearlesscriminaldragonfly
https://www.reddit.com/r/RTvideos/comments/cuoplm/indiana_jones_and_the_chinese_pirates/
As mentioned, none of those Earth-bound foes would really compare to warriors from the best specimens from around the cosmos.
BTW, was the game from which that stone-pulling feat comes from made by the same developers that made the Tomb Raider games? Gameplay looks very similar.
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Three-way tie for third, with others not far behind?
Ack. 😐
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Well, Horus is the Egyptian god of the sky and kingship. Ancient Egyptian armies had plenty of experience with sea travel and warfare, so that's common ground he could have with pirates. Also, with Horus being the god of the sky and pharoah, he could promise the pirates that they could sail under calm skies and give them a nice chunk of the pharoah's wealth.
People may look at Tyr and say "Norse God, he's good with Vikings, so he might be good with pirates". Looking deeper into it, though, Tyr is, among other things, the Norse god of justice, so the rougish pirates may not want to deal with him for long.
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2 minutes ago, Movie-Brat said:
People are way too biased voting against Carol Danvers.
I don't know; Flash has ways to counter a lot of her moves via the Speed Force. Between that and Carol's abilities, this realistically could've just about gone either way.
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6 hours ago, Mercenaryblade said:
I'm kind of feeling debate fatigue. Especially when we've had repeats of some of the same matches.
2 hours ago, Venom 2009 said:I imagine most people are pretty busy after Christmas and are getting ready for New Year’s Eve.
Plus, members are probably getting burned out of debating.
Heh, fatigue when we're this close to the end of the Draft? Besides, you barely even debate as it is, Venom, as well as a good forth of the participants.
But, I guess I kind of see your points here.
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The Mirage Turtles might just try to kill the prisoners instead of containing them. That probably doesn't constitute a win.
They not be able to do much to the likes of Croc either way, though. Let's not forget that his skin is virtually bulletproof.
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Not enough people debating in these things.
And man, Toucan Sam keeps getting lucky with this terrain.
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On 12/27/2021 at 8:36 PM, leroypowell3 said:
They really aren't all about technology that's just their means during the Robotech Wars. Advanced evolution is their game.
That's more or less a similar deal to what the Phalanx do, except that they work on a galactic scale. The only reason that they didn't conquer 616 Earth is because they have trouble assimilating mutated humans. They wouldn't have the same issue with normal, mutant-less Earth, let alone another interstellar race.
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I remember this fight.
Apocalypse once restrained Hulk until he stopped fighting, then convinced him to become arguably his most powerful incarnation, Horseman of War Hulk. It's possible Apocalypse might just have the tools to beat the Jade Giant.
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Seras seems to have the advantage here. With her skills, much-superior physicals, regen, and other abilities, it's gonna be pretty tough for Moon Knight to compensate.
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UMPIRE's kind of weird in this round with all the rematches.
Clock King is a Gothamite, so assuming that he could nab Alfred with one of his well-timed plans, he likely knows plenty of places to keep him hidden to wait for the ransom to be paid.
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Isis apparently has the most powerful magic of the Egyptian gods, so she could conceivably use it to entice the Toons to her.
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And since people here mainly listen to feats and stats, here's Spot's abilities.
He can also use his portals with more ease than Polka-Dot Man can, since Polka-Dot Man's abilites stem from his outfit instead of them literally becoming part of his being like the Spot.
Match 17861 Bonne Jenet vs. Darli Dagger
in CBUB Rated Matches
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Dang, I've been missing out on some good matches of late!
Welcome back, Johnny, and another good set-up. Good to see you've followed up on the Ash/Necalli and Dee Jay/Christie fights.
And, yes, Bonne finally loses one!
I would've voted for Darli here because, just like Jenet's other fights, she was realistically outmatched on paper.