Nesh

Your numbers and a calculator is all I used; it's not wrong.

I have him at 96,778,125 tons at SSJ3.

That's fine; at least we have a good argument for DBZ now.

If we wanted his best punch, that'd be at SSJ3 Kaioken x 20; I'd like to see that but I can't do that math.

Well, I've laid my best argument down now, so I'm done.

I like Naruto but I'm way behind on the manga.

yep

Speed augments force of blows and it's hard beat something you can't even hit. Thor and Sentry will waste a lot of energy trying to do damage to something their attack will never make contact with; once they're exausted, one good hit all it'll take. Think of it as like the Thing vs Quicksliver. Sure ben can K.O. with one good hit buit it doesn't do him any good because he can't connect. Meanwhile he's getting tired and frustrated from trying, so not only is he getting weaker but sloppier as well. Wen the time comes quicksliver deviers one supersped blow and the Thing goes down. The same applies here.

I just can't wait to see Nuan's punch force calcs for Goku. So, what do you think of the arc idea I mentioned earlier?

Really Thor has faced someone who is over 7 billion times lightspeed in combat when not pulling their punches?

Yeah you're right, at least we know Thor and Sentry get *fake word*ed into oblivion. Come to think of in Fusion Reborn wasn't it stated by Grand Kai that Goku beat Brolly by himself in Other World?

Look, we've posted our arguments and double checked our math. Can either Sentry or Thor move at over 7 billion times light speed? If not, than they aren't hitting Goku. Not to mention how hard Goku is gong to hit when you combine that with his fifty million tones of strength. Brooly w9iped out most of a galaxy without most of his power and in this set-up his max has been multiplied by fifty. Look, we probably won't convice you.\ so do what you will.

If he dies, he obviosly can't win in the first place, so your point is?

Not much more can be said here, but this has convinced me to make my DBZ alternate timeline into a series of matches. The point of divergence? Gohan transforms on Namek, not Goku.

Want me to send you that too?

Yes, your power level goes up when focusing one' energy in one spot, so in the Saiyan saga Vegeta's max base form power was when he was using the Galick Gun.

yeah your right. Roshi had a power level of 139 and the moon =1/3 Earth. So truly minimum Earth busting level is 417 so someone with a power level of 1,000,000 can take out around 2398 Earths. adding in the multipliers Goku's minimum destructive energy power would be 8,992,500,000 Earth sized planets.

lol, you're free to use my stuff and of course I'll help out. Goku's gi itself isn't waited but has a weighted undershirt, armbands, and boots. Plus consider what King Kai would think of as light weight, plus without enhanced gravity he'd need some kind of weight to push himself. Now energy projection: Vegeta when using the Galick Gun had a power level of 41,000. Let's assume this is the bare minimum to destroy an Earth-sized planet. So someone with a power level of 1,000,000 could destroy 24.39 Earth sized planets. Now for the multiplication: factoring in the same multipliers as before Goku could take out at least 94,162,500 Earth size planets. About Kaioken an Super Saiyan 3, it wouldn't have to last long, just enough for one Instant Transmission Kamehameha.

You guys forget that ind DBZ durability is directly connected to one's power level. Now let's examine some facts here. Frieza in his final form survived being beaten to near death by SSJ1 Goku, being cut in half, having a plant 3x the size of Earth blow up on top of him, and floated around in the cold vacuum of space for a presumable decent amount of time before being mechanically reconstructed with a substastally higher power level. Later Trunks shows up and cleaves Frieza clean half, killing him; I give you this was a downward trust and it destroyed all vital organs but given the amount of abuse Frieza has been known to take plus the sizable boost you can imagine the force behind such a blow. Goku later blocks the same attack with his finger, no damage done. Then multiply that durability by 50 for SSJ2 and that number by 75x for SSJ3. This, of course not factoring in all the boosts and trainng Goku got between transformations, which would make the numbers even higher. Not to mention that Goku can multiply it even further with Kaioken magnifying any of these levels by a max of 20 fold. In DBZ all attributes of fight grow at this exponential level according to power levels. Goku in base form was moving at above mach speeds, (as he has done since Dragonball.) 100x gravity while wearing 110 pounds of weights. if Goku weights 200 pounds + 110 pounds of weight he'd have been lugging around 31,000 pounds at several times Mach 1. Just using that as a base and factoring in the power boost of the various levels of Super Saiya-jin and Kaioken Goku's max strength would be: 116,250,00000 pounds or 58,125,000 tons. The force of a blow from Goku would be that strength x Goku's speed. Earlier on this topic a person with a power level of 1,000,000 at 1886.792 times the speed of light. Using this as a base and applying my previous multipliers Goku would have at bare minimum speed of 7,075,470,000 times the speed of light. I'll post energy projection later.

Trure words have never been spoken.

Agreed, I think this is a good to reintroduce this: http://sheezyart.com/art/view/1330655/

I made it today so three. It's odd on CBUB fight there's usually a clear cut winner. This fight comes down to sheer tactics and terrain use.

Just trying to ensure they both get their fair shake is all.

In all fairness Lucario will be able to do quite a bit of damage in close range combat he is a fighting after all. (Fighting/Steel actually but Gentle fist bypasses the Steel types natural defense.) Being a Fighting type he is naturally adept at close range combat. However Hinata only has to graze him to do damage. It all comes down to who can get that truly critical hit first.

Well Hinata does have one thing thing that can offset Lucario's range advantage; it's even in the set-up: This jutsu lets the user quickly switch places with another nearby object, such as a plant (normally a section of a log), an animal, or even another person within reach using the Body Flicker Technique, the moment an attack hits. This creates an optical illusion, making the enemy think the attack was successful. The user can then use this confusion to escape or launch a counter-attack. Exploding tags can be attached to the replacement for an added surprise. Basically all ninja know this technique. Hinata could use this several times but it's very tiring technique. However in theory, it could get her in had to hand range. Thing is she could probably only use it four or five times.