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1 hour ago, Culwych1 said:
A few things to unpick here.
The comics and books are considered canon - so whilst some inconsistencies exist (as for most media that has been going for nearly 60 years!), the events did take place and the feats hold true. Also remember that they have retconned things years after the fact due to "time travel stuff", which given the nature of the show, makes sense that things that have happened do suddenly change!
1 Dalek ship has canonly shown to have enough power to destory the earth. The glimpses of the Time Lord/Dalek War which I am assuming you are referring to are of a city (Arcadia, so not even the Citadel) at the end of the Time War, where most of all their weaponry had been deployed. What you are describing was some Daleks who had broken through the sky trentches and therefore were deploying their pew pew lasers - which do have quite severe effects. The "quintillions" of Daleks" were still outside and assieging Gallifrey because they hadn't managed to break through.
For interspecies war - yes - both Time Lords and Daleks used much more devastating weaponry than what we saw in that one episode, and the list of those weapons and effects are well documented (I've shared most already).
Not going to argue, most of the Time Lords we've met have indeed been emotionally and mentally unstable - primarily because of the Time War. Most of them have died and come back countless times due to reversal; they've seen a war that just didn't end and in the end complete annihilation for most of them. I'd say that would give most people a bit of mental instability.
They are definitely proud and arrogant - but the primary reason is that they are so powerful.
Battle TARDISes have shown to be able to stop a standard TARDIS, which can teleport through time and space, and also travel FTL. It can go intangible as it wonders out of current space and time - and this is a standard TARDIS, not a battle or war TARDIS.
I'm not sure we can sepculate that TIme Lords temporal control doesn't extend to Element Zero and therefore the Reapers - but in any case, the Time Lords have time travel so could just as easily go back to a stage that Reapers did not have Element Zero and attack them there.
Moffat said in Dr. Who Magazine( issue 482) in 2015. When speaking about the New Adventure novels that they exist in a separate continuity from the show.
Also once again because the BBC doesn't own the right certain concepts and characters out right.
Stories that share those characters or concepts with Dr. Who can be made with out the consent or approval of the BBC who hold the primary rights to the universe and originated the franchise.
In other words no not everything is Canon. Even if Dr. Who Canon is a bit messier than some other franchises.
What is the source for one Dalek ship destroying the Earth?
Here is the battle in question. We see Dalek weapons impact with in a few meters of people and the effect is not instant vaporization. Instead Dalek energy weapons toss them around, like a Hollywood grenade.
The length of the time war is not going to change the effect of those weapons.
Weapons that broke through Time Lord defences and are wrecking a Time Lord city.
Again when they attack Earth they do very little environmental damage
And don't have the power to resist getting sucked into portal while a person can resist doing so by holding on tight.
Remember the Daleks are empire that brought the Time Lords to there knees.
Once again for all the big talk when we see these races in action. They tend to be underwhelming.
So we are agreed than. That the Time Lords mental and emotional instability will make them ripe for indoctrination.
Sure Time Lords can effect elements and technology native to there universe. That doesn't mean anything when dealing with franchises that operate on different mechanics.
Nope the Time Lords can't go back and erase the Reapers.
This is a simultaneous invasion of Earth. Going back in time before the Reapers arrived or attacking them before they arrive. Would not be simultaneous.
It would also remove the Time Lords from the battlefield. Which could be considered a loss in itself.
Also depending on which variation of time travel is in play. Removing the Reapers from the timeline may simply create a separate timeline where they win, but still lost in the original primary time line.
Remember this is an artificial scenario with set parameters. That dictate that the invasion has to be simultaneous and the first to effectively take the planet wins, regardless of whether the Time Lords can call a mulligan and try again.
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On 1/8/2022 at 10:29 AM, Culwych1 said:
A welcome rematch! And again, two of my favorites.
Judge Dredd has faced worlds where the deadly Dark Judges have tortured and killed everyone, and where the very nature was putrid and corrupted.
He has walked through Cursed Earth, where mutant cannibals roam and horrendous intelligent dinosaurs devour everyone.
He has had telepaths attack his mind and try and break his will by showing him his worst nightmares, and survived. He has overcome Judge Fear's power, which literally kills normal humans through fear and horror.
The ship itself is 100 years behind his own tech, and apart from his extensive training and resilience, he also has his arsenal which is better than what the survivors of the film used.
The survivor slot specified live action characters.
So we are dealing with Dredd from either the Stallone or Urban movie and any tie in material produced for the those iterations.
I don't recall most of your examples from either film. Though they could be from tie in comics or the like.
I guess my question is which movie are we using for Dredd?
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I'm not so sure the Time Lords take this.
First we have to establish what is real for them as Dr. Who Canon is a bit muddled.n
There are some statements that suggest that the novels don't share continuity with the tv show.bwe also have some non-tv material that has more or less been ignored or out right contradicted by the tv show itself.
On top of that the right to some elements that have been in the show are no longer held by the BBC, so there canonicity is questionable.
Further much of what we "know" about the Time Lords is hearsay and legend. The Doctor tells us something, but we see no visual evidence of it and it's not like the Doctor is always honest or straight forward.
Truth is the few actual glimpses. Of the Time Lord/Dalek War we see are straight forward generic space combat with pew pew lasers and fairly mundane area effects. Such as broken masonry and people knocked over.
Daleks have been slowed down by fairly conventional earth militaries and you know stairs:) Point is for all there big talk when we see the Time Lords and there peers fight. They are not rerouting black holes and freezing time, they are shooting Lazer guns at each other, like everybody else.
Further I see no reason why Indoctrination shouldn't work. Pretty much every Time Lord we've ever met has been emotionally and mentally unstable to begin with. Whether they are dealing with PTSD or are narsessistic.
There own pride and arrogance are often there undoing.
Also even if we assume they are going to be lobbing time torpedoes or what have you around.
They still have to get past the Reapers Kinetic Barriers. They are as far as I can tell physical objects with kinetic mass/energy I see no reason to assume they won't bounce off Reaper shields.
However even if they work. Element Zero/Mass Effect fields allow for FTL travel as such they are already bending space and time. So they may well be able to simply fly out of the time bubble created by the afore mentioned torpedoes.
Biotic using the base concepts allows for teleportation, through barriers. It's seems likely that the same could happen if a ship activated it's ftl drive inside a time bubble.
The Time Lords home universe doesn't have Element Zero. So there is no reason to assume there temporal control extends to it. Infact it can't as it doesn't exist for the.
In other words Reapers have a very real chance of winning this encounter.
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Yeah Carol has had a rough season.
This match is no better for her. I just don't see her taking down the Big Blue Boy Scout.
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39 minutes ago, DSkillz said:
It's still certain that the average "applicant" from other planets would be stronger and/or smarter than most humans. Still not sure that Indy would make the cut.
Still not sure what panels you've seen, but in the one from the article none of the steering mechanisms can be seen from outside the vehicles:
So, it may be at best, a big assumption that their steering is as primitive as Earth's.
But allow me to take this in a new direction. Let's assume for a moment that Indy could someone translate Warworld's language and communicate with its inhabitants. It's pretty likely he may run into a girl like this one:
In this comic, Superman brings this girl from Warworld to relative safety.
I'm assuming there was some sort of automatic translator involved since she was speaking in another tongue at first (again, something that I doubt Indy would get assess to, but I digress):
Note that even after being rescued, she still has a mentality that she needs to stay in those chains because they represent power on Warworld.
After seeing someone like this, Indy's occasional Chronic Hero Syndrome could take over and he may very well be tempted to try to save her and other young men and women like her, much like he tried with the child slaves in Temple of Doom:
Unlike in the kids in Temple of Doom, Warworld's slavery, gladiatorial mentality would be much further ingrained in their prisoners, so Indy would be very unlikely to turn them around, let alone save them. Also, the security in Warworld is much more dangerous and harsh than Mola Ram and the Thuggie, so if Indy stirs the pot in Warworld, he's much less likely to escape, especially since there's no sidekick to help him out like Short Round (not that Short Round would be helpful on this planet).
Still, given Jones' history of playing the hero for those less fortunate, he's very likely going to try, and that will very likely cost him, and well within 24 hours.
First off once again we know from the fact that the Bat Family has out performed some of those "applicants". That, they are not necessarily stronger or smarter than humans.
Sure the Bat Family is made up of exceptional people, but you wanna know who else is also exceptional both in terms of physical and intellectual prowess. Indiana Jones that's who.
Secondly even if he doesn't make the cut for the military, he is still likely to make the cut for gladiatorial or domestic work. Which again would allow him to survive the 24 hours, assuming he even get through selection in less then 24 hours.
Here
It says they have almost nothing in common under the hood and that some of them are in fact earth cars.
Again this strongly suggests they changed out the power plant, but kept the rest of the aesthetic.
Jones may be a hero, but he is smart enough and has seen enough war and suffering. To know when he can help and when he can't.
He is going to know he can't over throw a planet in a day.
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3 hours ago, DSkillz said:
Ah, I keep forgetting that rounds last four days instead of three in this Draft. I didn't even have to be up so late to type that last post, lol.
I'm speaking of the individuals chosen for their intellect. On an intergalactic level, I'm not so sure Indy would fit the criteria.
I said he couldn't look as rugged as the warzoons. Note that many of them look much more haggard and scarred than Indy, and many have missing limbs and hands:
New Details on Warworld Characters as “Action Comics #1036” is Delayed – Superman Homepage
There's no such evidence shown that those cars have controls that simplistic. We just have those pictures and the author's word that they're much more complex underneath.
The Bat Family generally carries powerful tools that can take on at least reasonably huge threats on a regular basis, (even more so than Indy does) as well as the wit to match.
And then he'll run into the problems of planet-wide surveillance and processing.
And yet, you're still saying that Indy, who has even fewer tools in his disposal, is going to last as long?
I was saying that whether or not all of Indy's feats across various media are canon to him, Batman still has more varied experience, and against many more and more dangerous threats.
If Hun'Ya can be beat in H2H by a non-powered, non-equipped human, there's clearly some doubt to this claim.
I forget it wasn't ending today too.
Warworld is making selections based on what "applicants" they have on hand, not on what might be in the galaxy.
If they were doing it your way, there would be no warriors on Warworld below the level of Kryptonians and there clearly are. The intelligence selection is going to work the same way and Indy has more raw intelligence than most that make there way to Warworld.
Scarred face beat up clothing. Aside from skin tone he looks like everyone in that picture. Well he has his trade market half cocked grin, but that only adds to the bad-ass factor.
In the article the author says that some of the vehicles came from earth and that the others are different under the hood. Again he is talking out power supply etc. Steer wheels/shifter etc while inside the cab are visible from outside it. They are part of the exterior of the vehicle, when compared to what under the hood.
What I'm saying is Jones is roughly on par with members of the Bat Family, both physically and mentally and has faced and defeated similar foes.
The Bat Family does it through gadgets/tech Jones does it through improvisation etc, but the results are the same.
Indiana also carries guns and is willing to use them to lethal effect, something the Bat Family doesn't generally do.
Why the weird caveat about, if we accept Jones's feats than.
Hun'Ya is an alien champion used to conquer worlds, via single combat in DC. He lost to a "regular" human, just like a lot of the denizens of Warworld. I didn't write that's just the way it is.
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On 12/31/2021 at 10:33 AM, Fox said:
I hadn't thought of that. I guess let's hope it doesn't happen.
We could do another round of 5v5. With the slots/characters competing in random matches/scenarios/stipulations from the jack of all trades slot a few drafts ago.
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1 hour ago, DSkillz said:
Thanks, man, you too. It was good -- and busy.
Mongul's Warworld still has a very good shot at doing so, as I still doubt Indy has the physical and intellectual chops to survive.
He likely will stick if he's not as rugged, scarred, or tattooed as the more humanoid figures often appear to be.
Going by what that comic's author said, they only appear as Earth automobiles on the outside. Underneath, they're likely much more advanced.
And honestly, none of the parts of alien tech that Jones put together in the gifs provided looked any more advanced that something you'd find on Earth.
Being the Bat Family, it's pretty certain that they had more powerful tools on hand than Indy does to deal with those forces, especially since they already had an idea what they were dealing with and could prepare accordingly.
Besides, many of Warworld's combatants generally take on beings on the level of the average Justice League member as a whole, so it's pretty certain they're a good deal more powerful than humans.
Even if we consider all of Jones's feats from every media he's been in as canon, Batman in-canon has still seen and experienced more and more varied threats.
From the looks of it, his people challenged worlds much more through their tech than any physical ability they may have.
He translated Mayan, which no doubt several Earth languages have some basis in. Alien languages would not have the same basis.
And if Indy fits none of the above, he'll get turned into raw materials, which could happen within a day.
What do you think those physical/intellectual chops are?
Because what we see on Warworld is individuals who do not share Indy's intellectual ability and who can physically be put down by human level opponents.
Indiana Jones is not rugged and scarred? Your reaching man. Indy is the epitome of rugged adventure hero.
A cars controls, while inside the cab are still on the exterior of the vehicle compared to the engine/transmission. If you are going for a car aesthetic you are not gonna operate via touch screen. Also with two arms and legs there are only so many ways your going to set up controls to drive.
What did the Bat Family bring, cause it looked like they largely had there regular gear. Gear they use to take down there regular enemies. Opponents that Indy can take down with wit and a whip.
There were enough non-Justice League level ones that the Bat Family never faced a stray overly powerful one. Also the Bat Family had mission, places to go. Jones doesn't he can run away from and avoid conflict.
The touch of added variation that Batman may have seen, isn't going to make huge difference on Warworld. It's stuff like time travel. Which isn't really pertinent to post apocalyptic survival.
Also weird way to say Indiana Jones doesn't have the same experience as Batman.
Wording wise it's seems like you're trying to suggest Indy's feats shouldn't count or aren't Canon.
Hun'Ya's people had challenged the champions of other worlds before, not just rolled in with there armada.
Clearly Dr. Jones fit into some of those criteria.
And again even if he didn't there a good chance selection/transport takes longer than a day.
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27 minutes ago, DSkillz said:
The time away during New Year's probably cost me here, but here we go ...
Indy would still stand out among the warzoons, since he's not as rugged-looking or have any particular markings or even matching skin tone for the most part. I also seriously doubt he'd be able to mug someone and take their clothing like he's done with soldiers in his films, as the warzoons are an advanced alien species.
Besides, if Brainiac is running Warworld, there's a very good chance he wouldn't allow any biological lifeforms on the planet and eradicate them quickly.
He's going to learn the culture and the language of an alien world in under 24 hours? GTFO. He's very good, I'll grant you that, but he'd have to be almost psychic to learn enough of it fast enough to blend in.
Also, if this is Brainiac's Warworld. Indy's not gonna blend in with interstellar tech.
Nice try, but it straight up says right in the article you provided here that they only look like Earth vehicles on the outside, and they are much more advanced. And as a reminder, Indy mainly has experience with Earth vehicles from the 20th century.
And again, the DC heroes as a whole have more experience dealing with a more varied array of supernatural and extraterrestrial beings than Indy, such as White Martians, various Apokoliptian forces, Daxamites, Imperiex's probes, Manhunters (the androids, not J'onn), 5th Dimensional Imps (Mister Mxyzptlk, Bat Mite, etc.), various god pantheons, witches (Circe, Morgaine le Fey, Enchantress, etc.), magicians like Spellbender and Felix Faust, and so on.
Your point?
You're kind of proving my point for me here. Batman easily has more accomplishments than Indy in various fields in his 80+ year history in comics, tv, film, games, etc. If even you don't think Batman can survive on Warworld, how do you think Indy going to do so with much fewer resources and skill?
And you seriously think this is anywhere near as advanced as tools used to keep members of the Justice League at bay?
Yeah, and I remember how drinking the Blood of Kali went for him. He didn't break free of its influence on his own, if I recall.
Hun'Ya must've been physically one of the weaker aliens out there if Ali (one of the most physically capable men in history, but still a normal human) could beat him without any enhancements. It's also kind of curious Superman didn't just take out the alien armada from jump, since he ends up doing so anyway in the end.
I think you're talking about this panel:
We don't know how long that processing takes. Warworld's tech is much more advanced than Earth's, so for all we know, they may process millions of specimens within a day's time.
Also, if this is Brainiac's Warworld, he likely wouldn't even bother with taking prisoners anyway.
Off the top of my head, I've never known any human specimens being considered for use on Warworld. If they're looking for the strongest beings, relatively-normal humans certainly won't make the cut. If they're looking for the smartest, they'd be better off seeking out Batman, Mister Terrific, Lex Luthor, etc. in their own universe.
If Warworld is run by Brainiac, he very likely won't tolerate one single human that suddenly appeared on the planet. On Mongul's Warworld, I still seriously doubt Jones could physically or mentally hang with the various elements there on his own.
First off happy New Year, I hope you had a good one.
Secondly I may not go point by point, but here it goes.
If Brainiac Warworld is going to auto kill any organic life than it's gonna be DQ from the location slot. So this has to be Mongul's.
There are hundreds of different kinds of aliens on Warworld. Still a lot of them mostly human shaped, Jones is not gonna stick out.
Those Warworld cars were designed to mimic cars even if they are not powers by internal combustion engines. Also as I've pointed out Indy has adapted to alien tech before.
My point about Batman/Jason Todd/Barbara Gordon was that they are human level combatants that survived on Warworld and managed to fight the Warzone/inhabitants of Warworld in spite of the fact that you keep insisting that said inhabitants are way more powerful than humans.
As to experience, really the only thing that I can think of that Batman has done that Jones doesn't have experience with is maybe time travel.
And I don't think Bruce used time travel to survive Warworld.
So once again multiple humans have survived on and battles the forces of Warworld.
That was the point I was making.
Also once again no feats for the aliens that make the cut.
Hun'Ya's people traveled around challenging worlds and Hun'Ya was specifically designed to be the best.
Yet he was bested by a human.
In "Crystal Skull" Indy translated a language he did know with in a day. Granted he did so based on languages he did know, but it does indicate his ability to learn.
Also like you said we don't know how long it takes to process and once again even if he is processed in a day, they still have to get around to killing him. Which again is not normally what Warworld is after, they want an army and a slave labor force.
Oh and even if they would prefer Luther to Jones, Luther is not there and they are sorting what specimens they have on hand.
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On 12/30/2021 at 10:06 AM, Fox said:
Bonus points for being one of the few - perhaps only - contestant in this slot who could take a credible shot at the Witch King in a duel, if it came down to it.
The Witch King can be killed by anyone with the appropriate weapon or power.
His "..doom.." being "..not by the hand of man.." was a prophecy regarding how he would die, not protective spell.
So out of universe or in AUs created by crossovers it's not going to matter.
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20 hours ago, DSkillz said:
Doubtful it's gonna be that easy to hide away. Warworld has technology more advanced than anything Indy has seen on Earth, so there's all manner of surveillance tools to keep track of citizens and visitors. Also, the transportation's more advanced, so Indiana Jones, whose main adventuring experience spans from WW1 to the Civil Right era, likely wouldn't begin to know how to pilot a vehicle there.
You left out some context.
First of all, unlike Indy in this scenario, Batman did not go to Warworld alone, so mentioning Bats' adventures there shouldn't really matter in these conditions. Second of all, Batman also has all kinds of experience with all kinds of threats, whether they be extraterrestrial or supernatural, and certainly has had more varied experiences than Indy. And finally, Bats has a lot more resources at his disposal than Indy ever did.
Netherworld doesn't look like it's as dangerous as Warworld, as Superman has mentioned the only thing capable of destroying it was Warworld itself.
Also, the second link mentions that Jones supposedly visited Xibalba, and it doesn't really go into detail what dangers are in the area.
None of that really compares to what Jones would have to deal with on Warworld, such as Black Mercy Flowers and an army made up of the strongest members of various alien races (where a human like Indy would stand out like a sore thumb).
As mentioned, none of those Earth-bound foes would really compare to warriors from the best specimens from around the cosmos.
Warworld is still huge, with a planet's population of inhabitants.
Even if they can pinpoint him, why would they he is one random guy in a population of millions.
This is also where Jones education in archeology, anthropology, and linguistics.
Come into play. He learns culture for a living and is something of a polyglot. He is going to learn the culture and the language in no time flat. Then blend in and disappear.
What's so different about there transportation. It seems to largely be made up of tracked vehicles and aircraft.
Hell they've got some cars.
Indy has operated cars, trucks, motorcycles, boats, submarines, trains, planes, hot air balloons etc. He once said if it's got wheels he can drive it, but he has also proven it's doesn't need wheels for him to figure it out.
Thanks for the context and pointing out that Barbara Gordon and Jason Todd also survived on Warworld.
Yes they had members of the Justice League/Superman family with them, but they weren't locked in Nth metal playpens, with Kryptonian babysitters the whole time.
They were humans that mixed it up with the armies of Warworld and survived.
Does Batman have more varied experience then Indy?
Maybe he's done a couple more things, but I'm not sure any of it would be pertinent to surviving Warworld.
What are Bruce's resources gonna do for him on Warworld. He's there with what he can carry.
The Netherworld was actively unstable and targeting him. The same is not likely to be the case for Warworld.
For clarification Jones did go to Xibalba. There is just some dispute about whether the one he went is the one from myth.
It was however a barren volcanic waste land that appeared under a dense jungle, though also wasn't exactly a cave. So something supernatural was going on.
Just getting to the portal to the Netherworld involves traverse a giant tomb out to kill you.
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Emperor's_Tomb
Similarly he survived Nub's Tomb while collecting the pieces to the Infernal Machine. This is the tomb guarded by robots.
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Nub's_Tomb
Dr. Jones has also traveled to and survived the destruction of Atlantis. While there he figured Atlantean technology. This is important because Atlantean tech comes from the Horned Being that visited Atlantis from the sky. In other words space fairing Aliens.
Atlantis
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Atlantis
Horned Beings
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Horned_beings
Indy rebuilding Atlantean tech
https://gfycat.com/essentiallightheartedcuscus
And for good measure building an Orichalum Detector out of found objects.
https://gfycat.com/accuratejampackedhomalocephale
Don't think the black mercy flower or mind control is going to work.
Indy can resist telepathic probing
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Irina_Spalko
He can also see through illusion/magic
And if all else fails Jones still has his "spirit animal"
To center and guide him.
I don't mean to be that guy, but those "best specimens from around the cosmos" don't really have any feats of there own.
Infact we know from the comics that human level opponents like Batman, Redwood, and Batgirl can take them down.
We have other examples from DC Comics as well where alien champions are taken down by human fighters.
Sure Hun'Ya loses to Ali. Still all this combined suggests that simply being the best/strongest of an alien race, doesn't put you leagues above humans.
Also let's look at Warworld select process
First off this shows us that they take prisoners and then said prisoners are processed.
With the scope we are dealing with Indy could get captured and still be waiting for selection by the time his 24 hours ends.
Even if he is evaluated, he is a trained spy who has been captured before. He can play along and as stated above Warworld is not just looking for muscle, but also the smarts and Dr. Jones has that.
Along with physical abilities on par with other members of the citizenry. Heck even if he is sorted into the gladiatorial pool or domestic service. He is unlikely to die right away.
Let's break this down
First. Warworld has to care enough about Indy to find him.
Then they have to find him.
Then capture him.
Then process him.
Then send him where he needs to go.
Then which ever caste/area he ends up in needs to get around to killing him. ( Note most recruits aren't killed right away. Warworld prefers to use them for slave labor etc.)
And all of this has to happen in a single day.
For all it's lethality, Warworld is still has a government, it has bureaucracy, red tape, chain of command, standard operating procedure etc.
Indy on the other hand is a single individual in a huge population. Allowed to move freely and do as he sees fit.
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1 hour ago, Peypeypeypey said:
...did all this stuff really happen?
Yep,
Indiana Jones Canon works the way Star Wars Canon use to work.
That is to say unless it's expressly stated that it's not Canon. It is Canon.
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I'll have to brush up on Carol, the last comic I read with her. She was slowed down by Frank Castle in the WarMachine armor, granted it's Punisher in Iron-Man lite armor, and probably a low showing.
Still out side of the MCU Danvers is never treated as the big gun In her universe. The way Kent is in his.
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5 hours ago, Pizzaguy2995 said:
Dang! Guess I gotta turn in my Indiana Jones fanboy card cause I had no idea my man Indy be out there fighting Cyborgs, Dragons, and all that shit. And he survived China and Mexico’s hell? Like bro what? 🤣🤣🤣
Don't turn in your Indy fanboy card. Just update it for premium membership.
Truth that's probably small scale stuff compared to the time Indy traveled to a God's personal pocket dimension, a pocket dimension poisonous to humans, and proceeded to take out said God.
The God
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Marduk
The pocket dimension
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Aetherium
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Warworld is vast, it's basically a planet. There is a good chance that any survivor dropped there could spend a day holed up. Find a corner of some huge castle or construct and ride it out and contrary to popular belief Dr. Jones is just fine with hiding and sneaking. Infact half the time he has to be drug in to adventure and once there does his best to avoid confrontation.
Also while Warworld tends to be a Superman setting. Batman has also survived stays on it and battling it's citizenry.
Batman who for all his skill and accolades is still human.
Now to Jones surviving.
This is not Indy's first experience with a combat environment. He fought in both World Wars. Including surviving The Battle of the Somme, one of the deadliest battles in human history.
He also had war declared on him by Nazi Germany and survived. While inside there territory.
He has also traveled too and survived in a couple versions of hell.
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Netherworld
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Xibalbá
Jones also has a good deal of experience with superhuman and supernatural opponents. Such as...
Cyborgs
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Helmut_von_Mephisto
Robots
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Robot_Guardian
Zombies
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Zombie
Dragons
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon
Ice monsters
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Ice_Guardian
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Ice_Creature
Lava monsters
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Lava_Guardian
Giants
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Shintay
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Homonculus
Giant octopus
And in every case through a combination of brain, brawn, skill, and gear Indy came out on top.
So as surprising as it may be I don't think there is much on Warworld that Dr. Jones hasn't survived in the past.
As mentioned earlier tough/skilled humans have survived on Warworld before.
Dr. Jones is just that. As far as skill goes he is not only tournament winning boxer
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Boxing_medal
, But also has wins over three Olympic Gold Medalist boxers
Biff
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Biff_(German)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CsaSJYluunA
Fritz ( guard )
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Fritz_(guard)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iug0xAA7wCM
Fritz ( ticket taker )
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Fritz_(ticket_taker)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BggPfjukV0w
Physically he is able to smash through stone/brick walls.
Send people flying with his blows.
https://gfycat.com/unknownhardtofindgrizzlybear
Pull giant stone blocks
https://gfycat.com/complexsilvercottontail
Is fast enough to dodge/block guns shots, arrows, thrown weapons.
https://gfycat.com/obesehighlark
Tough enough to get smacked around by a bears and bull.
And agile enough to pull off stuff like this.
https://gfycat.com/fearlesscriminaldragonfly
https://www.reddit.com/r/RTvideos/comments/cuoplm/indiana_jones_and_the_chinese_pirates/
https://gfycat.com/plaintivebigguineafowl
As well as all the ancient ruin escaping shenanigans he is best known for.
In other words if a human that is not Batman is going to survive Warworld it's Indiana Jones.
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3 hours ago, Fox said:
It is an interesting match, made more so since both contenders are 2 - 0. I'm sure there aren't many terrains that have gone without a loss so far.
I lean Silent Hill here. As much as I enjoy the Riddick character, he is very physical and Silent Hill is more meta-physical / psychological.
Riddick also has a mental component from the years of being hardened by prison etc.
He does the stair down animals thing to.
I also wonder how Furyian physiology might factor in.
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28 minutes ago, leroypowell3 said:
Impressive. I guess it won't be an easy slaughter but I can stil see Tengas grabbing dudes, flying up and dropping them on others.
Maybe a couple, but they are going to be facing a virtual wall of lead. From both targeted and suppressive fire.
Even if they get through it they can't pick up or damage armored vehicles.
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13 minutes ago, Venom 2009 said:
Ok, I think Venom got this. Unless someone knows how Domino could beat him.
Luck,
That is her superpower after all and Eddie/Venom are pretty unlucky to begin with.
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11 hours ago, leroypowell3 said:
That might make it more interesting but if the Tengs give Power Rangers trouble, Bikers better have some morphers on them...
Tenga's only ever really slow the Rangers down when the significantly outnumber them and even then it's only briefly.
The Tenga's also tend to retreat quickly. They get knock around a bit and fly away.
Also while Power Rangers have at times demonstrated considerable striking power. There battles with the Tenga generally result in little to no environmental damage.
As in nobody is smashed through walls or trees etc.
Still these attacks drop the Tenga and cause them to flee.
Bikers on the other hand will be bringing military grade weapons. Things like Rockets, grenades, IEDs, hell maybe even a cannon etc.
The kind of weapons that bring down buildings and destroy tanks.
Examples.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Copenhagen_rocket_attack
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rt.com/news/430585-amsterdam-anti-tank-weapon/amp/
Then there are these guys who have tanks and armored vehicles.
So even with out Morphers and sticking to only real life bikers gangs.
They still drastically out gun the Tenga Warriors.
In other words this is gonna turn into a turkey shoot fast.
Granted bikers are dangerous up close as shown here. Where they fight a force of special forces soldiers that has double there manpower and is better armed.
Still the bikers win.
Again this is sticking to real world stuff.
If I brought in biker gangs from movies, comics, anime etc.
Things get even worse for the Tenga.
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Going to remind folks once again, the fact that Gaston failed once at this just gives him more experience, knowledge, and motivation.
Think about anything you've ever tried to do. It tends to get easier the more you do it and the more you learn about it.
Gaston can see where he failed the first time, and let's be clear he almost succeeded ( with out the advantage of hindsight ), and tweak the small things that went wrong.
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People are going to want to point out that Gaston has already failed at this.
However what that actually means is that he has the advantage.
In that he knows the players and he knows the game.
He has a second shot at this and even more motivation, not to fail.
This along with inherently being known to and largely loved by the locals means Gaston starts several steps ahead of Xanatos.
Who has to start from the beginning. Learn the who's, when's, where's, why's, and how's. Then form a plan and do all of that before Gaston can pull off a slightly modified version of his original plan.
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Tenga warriors may have the physical advantage one on one.
However they are seriously outgunned as bikers will be bringing guns, grenades, rocket launchers, bombs etc.
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18 minutes ago, Culwych1 said:
Dunno, feels like some of my examples are being ignored so think we'll have to leave this as agree to disagree.
You're saying Jonahs skill and firepower etc., is superior to those characters in MK and using that as an argument he could beat Sub Zero - I think the evidence that Jonah is superior to the likes of Briggs and Blade family falls to you to bring.
Which examples do you think are being ignored? I will address them if I can.
While I have contended that he is superior to those MK characters in question. I did so in response to the comparisons made to Erron Black.
So perhaps you'd like to expand on the comparison bey Hex and Black. Besides that they both carry guns.
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8 minutes ago, Culwych1 said:
It's a good argument, but Hera didn't demand worship like some of the other gods did. She was a goddess of family, children, women and marriages - and actively protected women. Yes, there was the jealous side to her, but I don't see that conflicting with anything the Hobbits could worship.
Cuchulain on the other hand is a warrior god, and whilst he may fondly remind the Hobbits of the rangers, that's a big leap to Hobbits going from a peace loving race to worshipping a war god.
Hera pursued vendettas against children for the sins of their father.
Even if Hera appeals to the Hobbit women. Hobbit society is patriarchal and women flocked to Cuchulain, so even this might not be an in for Hera.
Cuchulain is a known as a warrior god, but he is also known as a god of oaths, law, and craftsmen.
Those traits are going to appeal to Hobbits. Cuchulain is also known for his commitment to sharing meals. Food is huge part of Hobbit culture.
Also Tolkien based the people's of Middle Earth on the pre-Christian groups of northern Europe like the Gauls, Celts,, Dames, and Norse.
So Cuchulain is going to be closer to the Hobbits in terms of culture. From food, to clothes, to language, and religion.
Hera is going to be foreign in both values and style.
Cuchulain values similar things. He could have walked out of the pages of Tolkien novel.
That familiarity/kinship is going to give him a real edge.
Remember even if the Hobbits are generally peaceful themselves, they are not morally opposed to war and have honoured war heroes in there folk tradition.
Not to mention again there love and reverence for the Rangers who themselves are warriors.
Rumble 18038 Jason Voorhees (2009 Remake) and Michael Myers (2007 Remake) and Leatherface (2003 Remake) vs. Lt. Ellen Ripley and Major Alan "Dutch" Schaefer and Dan Forester
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Even with limited weapons, I figure Ripley or Dutch could do this on there own.
Frankly I could see Dutch building an arsenal of make shift weapons and straight up hunting the horror team.