X-men vs avengers

[Guest sirmethos]

No its not, as he's only seldom done it, and even that with great effort, in fact he hasn't done it since after M. And thats with normal materials, hyper crystalized metals that can take nuclear explosions are impossible. Even if he does manage to do that, he's easy pickings for anyone else, hell, even a regular guy can come up and kick Mags around after that. And besides, as shown, Iron Man's feild prevents MAgneto to tamper with his armor in any way.

 

so you're saying that somehow, the atoms in Iron Mans armor, are different than the atoms in other kinds of matter?

 

bullshit.

 

 

it is correct that Magneto has rarely used the ability to dissolve matter by removing the electro-magnetic bonds holding the atoms, or even sub-atomic particles, together, however it is not true that it takes "great effort", great effort is something like permanently changing the magnetic field of the entire Planet, or creating a wormhole to another galaxy. not something as simple as removing minute amounts of electro-magnetism.

 

 

he also rarely uses wormholes to travel around on the planet, but that doesn't mean that he can't, or won't, do it when necessary.

 

 

 

Yeah its true Ironman ever since New Avengers or even before has had his armor to be protected against Magneto.

 

Ironman even said in New Avengers that he had his armor protected against Magneto after the last encounter with him.

 

X-Men won't be able to take down both Thor and Dr.Strange.

 

They don't have anybody on either of those levels to combat them.

 

Rogue, Namor, and Cyclop's excellent strategies are the X-Men's only hope.

 

 

Iron Mans armor is protected against large scale magnetic manipulation, yes. that does not mean that Magneto is powerless against Iron Man.

 

the only way you are completely protected from Magneto, other than having similar powers and being able to counter him, is to remove any and all electro-magnetic energy from yourself, and since doing that would mean Killing yourself, i doubt anyone is gonna do that anytime soon.

 

 

and i've already pointed out how the X-men could defeat this roster of the Avengers.

[Guest force_echo]

so you're saying that somehow, the atoms in Iron Mans armor, are different than the atoms in other kinds of matter?

 

bullshit.

 

 

it is correct that Magneto has rarely used the ability to dissolve matter by removing the electro-magnetic bonds holding the atoms, or even sub-atomic particles, together, however it is not true that it takes "great effort", great effort is something like permanently changing the magnetic field of the entire Planet, or creating a wormhole to another galaxy. not something as simple as removing minute amounts of electro-magnetism.

 

 

he also

 

Iron Mans armor is protected against large scale magnetic manipulation, yes. that does not mean that Magneto is powerless against Iron Man.

 

the only way you are completely protected from Magneto, other than having similar powers and being able to counter him, is to remove any and all electro-magnetic energy from yourself, and since doing that would mean Killing yourself, i doubt anyone is gonna do that anytime soon.

 

 

and i've already pointed out how the X-men could defeat this roster of the Avengers.

Yes they are different, the atomic structure is much harder to manipulate. If he could do it on a regular basis, he would have. There are countless times that he could have used this power to his benefit, but he hasn't, and that shows that either A) It takes a large amount of energy to do it or He has some kind of personal vandetta against using it. We all know Magneto's hatred toward humans so B is out and that leaves A. In either case, If Magneto hasn't used it against bigger priorities than Iron Man, then he's probably not gonna use it against Iron Man.

[Guest sirmethos]

Yes they are different, the atomic structure is much harder to manipulate.

 

do me(and yourself) a favor... go find your physics teacher, and inform him(or her) that he/she sucks at his/her job.

 

 

all Atoms are fundamentally the same, they are created of Protons, Neutrons and Electrons.

 

now, what Magneto is capable of doing, is the he can remove the Electro-Magnetic bonds in the atoms.

 

the Electro-Magnetic bonds is what keeps the Electrons flying around the Protons instead of flying off.

 

so, the effect of Magneto doing something as Simple, as removing any electro-magnetic energy from Iron Mans armor, would be that every single electron in the atoms of his armor, goes flying. that means, that every single Atom in his armor would be instantly dissolved, leaving Tony Stark with no armor.

 

if he extends the field in which he removes the electro-magnetic energy, he would also instantly dissolve Tony Stark himself, not just his armor.

 

 

 

If he could do it on a regular basis, he would have. There are countless times that he could have used this power to his benefit, but he hasn't, and that shows that either A) It takes a large amount of energy to do it or He has some kind of personal vandetta against using it. We all know Magneto's hatred toward humans so B is out and that leaves A. In either case, If Magneto hasn't used it against bigger priorities than Iron Man, then he's probably not gonna use it against Iron Man.

 

no, it shows that C, the writers are aware that Magneto is extremely overpowered, and they are holding him back so that the comics are actually interesting and gives his opponents a fighting chance. kinda like they've done with Silver Surfer, Thanos, Nate Grey, Cable, etc. etc. etc.

 

and it shows that D, Magneto is not the hero of the comics and thus he never wins. it is for that purpose that sites like CBUB were created, to give a Realistic outcome of various fights, where people don't get held back for being overpowered, and where people don't automatically win or lose, simply because they are the hero or villain.

 

 

 

Magneto's powers: "Magneto possesses the power to control all forms of magnetism. He can shape and manipulate magnetic fields that exist naturally or artificially." - Marvel.com

 

"Although Magneto’s primary power is control over magnetism, he can also project or manipulate any form of energy that is part of the electromagnetic spectrum, including visible light, radio waves, ultraviolet light, gamma rays, and x-rays." - Marvel.com

 

 

this shows quite clearly that he easily has the Power to do it, now:

 

Magneto's Skills: "Magneto is a genius within various scientific fields. He is an expert on genetic engineering and mutation, with knowledge far beyond that of contemporary science."

 

"He has designed magnetically-powered aircraft and spacecraft, complex robots and computers, and magnetically-powered generators and created artificial living beings, space stations said to possess technology even Reed Richards would envy, and machines capable of nullifying mutant powers within a radius of several miles."

 

"Magneto has mastered many technological fields, and is an expert on genetic manipulation and engineering, with knowledge far beyond that of contemporary science."

 

 

this shows that he most definitely has the Knowledge and Skill to do it.

 

 

Bottom Line: since Iron Man is not staring in his own comic, and does not have the advantage of being the 'hero', and since Magneto is not being held back by writers needing to keep the comics interesting. Iron Man has no chance, whatsoever, and his armor gets removed from him in split seconds.

[Stranglehold-prime]

I give this to te X-men. Magneto plays a big part. Because after the comic Fatal Attraction Magneto got a damn upgrade and he has become stronger.

 

Also is this Death persnona gambit and is thi God Cable. Because the OP doesn't really give us details.

 

Does Magneto have enough force and forcus to stop Thors hammer,since its made out of uru which is metal.

[Guest bigballerju]

Oh crap you know what I just released if Magneto is real powerful he could pull off

what he did in the Ultimate Universe with ease.

 

I remember in one fight against the X-Men he was throwing trains, cars, and more at them.

 

If Magneto is at full power then yeah the Avengers would be in trouble.

[Stranglehold-prime]

Oh crap you know what I just released if Magneto is real powerful he could pull off

what he did in the Ultimate Universe with ease.

 

I remember in one fight against the X-Men he was throwing trains, cars, and more at them.

 

If Magneto is at full power then yeah the Avengers would be in trouble.

 

 

Magneto is a badass in the ultimate verse, but I am talking about the 616 one, he has gottening more power.

 

Magneto is not limit to only metal but can manipulate all magnetic forces of the earth and bio-electrical patterns of all living things. He can draw on and use the magnetosphere of the planet, which extends far into space.

 

I one read a comic where Magneto was opening the planet.

 

Found it,Magneto shows his control over electromagnetic forces by creating a planet sized electromagnetic pulse that disables every electrical device and machine of Earth:

 

 

 

 

"verything, everyone is connected to magnetosphere", this scan proves that Magneto is able to tap on it:

 

As I said again Magneto does not only control Metal but also electricity.

 

I think Storm powers can give him a boost, which it will and she did before. That said I think Magneto will be a huge player for teamX-men. Magneto I think has defeated Thor on some encounters.

[Guest bigballerju]

I think it depends on how pissed off Magneto gets. If the Avengers tick him off they will have tidal waves higher then cities, earthquakes, and more.

 

Not to mention Magneto will start destroying cities and bridges with ease.

 

Like I said it depends on his anger and power level. If not anger then making sure that the Mutant race survives.

 

Those are the things it usually comes down to with Magneto.

[Stranglehold-prime]

I think it depends on how pissed off Magneto gets. If the Avengers tick him off they will have tidal waves higher then cities, earthquakes, and more.

 

Not to mention Magneto will start destroying cities and bridges with ease.

 

Like I said it depends on his anger and power level. If not anger then making sure that the Mutant race survives.

 

Those are the things it usually comes down to with Magneto.

 

True.

 

But I still think he can take Thor and also Storm can power him up.

[Marvel Man]

Yes, Magneto is a serious powerhouse, we all know that. Has anyone read the Marvel Zombies series? Magneto took them all on in an abandoned city. The man was throwing everybody around. He's his team's biggest threat.

 

Having said that, I'd still put Thor over him. Mags can't lift that thing due to the magical enchantment, and he can't match him in speed or brute strength. Yes, he has tons of raw energy, but so does Thor. It'd be a good fight, but I'd put Thor over him every day.

 

Note: If we're using Magneto's electron manipulating power level, then it's only fair we upgrade some Avengers. Odin Force Thor? Classic Dr. Strange?

[Stranglehold-prime]

Yes, Magneto is a serious powerhouse, we all know that. Has anyone read the Marvel Zombies series? Magneto took them all on in an abandoned city. The man was throwing everybody around. He's his team's biggest threat.

 

Having said that, I'd still put Thor over him. Mags can't lift that thing due to the magical enchantment, and he can't match him in speed or brute strength. Yes, he has tons of raw energy, but so does Thor. It'd be a good fight, but I'd put Thor over him every day.

 

Note: If we're using Magneto's electron manipulating power level, then it's only fair we upgrade some Avengers. Odin Force Thor? Classic Dr. Strange?

 

I may be wrong, but hasn't Magneto beaten Thor in the past?

 

Here is Magneto taking on the whole Avengers by himself.

 

 

Also I found the scan of him opening the Earth.

[Guest tomisntblue]

Also I found the scan of him opening the Earth.

 

Can someone explain the context to me? This seems oddly pointless. Couldn't he have just redirected the missiles or whatever?

[Stranglehold-prime]

Can someone explain the context to me? This seems oddly pointless. Couldn't he have just redirected the missiles or whatever?

 

 

Good point, but guess he didn't have enough time, the missles were coming fast.

[Guest Omega11]

"verything, everyone is connected to magnetosphere", this scan proves that Magneto is able to tap on it:

 

In this scan, Magneto used equipment to bolster his abilities.

[Guest Omega11]

Also I found the scan of him opening the Earth.

 

That's Joseph. Magneto's younger, more powerful clone.

[Stranglehold-prime]

That's Joseph. Magneto's younger, more powerful clone.

 

I see, but could Magneto have the potential to do that?

[Guest sirmethos]

Yes, Magneto is a serious powerhouse, we all know that. Has anyone read the Marvel Zombies series? Magneto took them all on in an abandoned city. The man was throwing everybody around. He's his team's biggest threat.

 

Having said that, I'd still put Thor over him. Mags can't lift that thing due to the magical enchantment, and he can't match him in speed or brute strength. Yes, he has tons of raw energy, but so does Thor. It'd be a good fight, but I'd put Thor over him every day.

 

Note: If we're using Magneto's electron manipulating power level, then it's only fair we upgrade some Avengers. Odin Force Thor? Classic Dr. Strange?

 

 

Magneto's "electron manipulating power level", as you put it, is part of his original powers, as i have already stated. his Original power was the ability to manipulate electro-magnetism.

 

 

I see, but could Magneto have the potential to do that?

 

 

Magneto definitely has the potential, yes.

 

Joseph was only different than Magneto because of the 'flaw' in his creation.

 

 

it has been stated that all Mutants have a 'built-in' safety measure, that prevents them from overloading their powers, so they don't kill themselves.

 

Joseph does not have that 'safety measure', thus he was able to reverse Magneto's manipulation of the earths magnetic field, but by doing that he destroyed his own body and became a part of the magnetic field, his mind getting overwhelmed(and presumed destroyed) by the power of the field.

[Stranglehold-prime]

Magneto's "electron manipulating power level", as you put it, is part of his original powers, as i have already stated. his Original power was the ability to manipulate electro-magnetism.

 

 

 

 

 

Magneto definitely has the potential, yes.

 

Joseph was only different than Magneto because of the 'flaw' in his creation.

 

 

it has been stated that all Mutants have a 'built-in' safety measure, that prevents them from overloading their powers, so they don't kill themselves.

 

Joseph does not have that 'safety measure', thus he was able to reverse Magneto's manipulation of the earths magnetic field, but by doing that he destroyed his own body and became a part of the magnetic field, his mind getting overwhelmed(and presumed destroyed) by the power of the field.

 

Hmmm thanks for the info, so he can pull it off.

 

One more thing, does Magneto have enough force and focus to stop Thors hammer?

[Guest force_echo]

Go to your physics teacher and tell him to teach you about metals and how they have constant electron flow because the atoms are close together, and this is what gives them their electrical conductivity. You need to go back to your physics teacher and have him explain to you ALOT of things, as that seismic plate debate showed. The fact that they share an electric feild makes it harder to manipulate. Also, you are assuming that manipulating basic electromagnetic forces and manipulating things at the atomic structure are the same thing. Sorry break it to you, but disengaging protons and electrons from their natural subatomic charges is a lot harder than lifting a peice of metal. Plus there's the fact that the magnetic feild prevents Magneto from altering Iron Man's armor directly AT ALL. To gain access to his molecular structure Magneto would have to get past the ocsillating anti magnetic field first, and with like 3 other high powered avengers breathing down his back, doing so will get him killed.

[Guest sirmethos]

Go to your physics teacher and tell him to teach you about metals and how they have constant electron flow because the atoms are close together, and this is what gives them their electrical conductivity. You need to go back to your physics teacher and have him explain to you ALOT of things, as that seismic plate debate showed. The fact that they share an electric feild makes it harder to manipulate. Also, you are assuming that manipulating basic electromagnetic forces and manipulating things at the atomic structure are the same thing. Sorry break it to you, but disengaging protons and electrons from their natural subatomic charges is a lot harder than lifting a peice of metal. Plus there's the fact that the magnetic feild prevents Magneto from altering Iron Man's armor directly AT ALL. To gain access to his molecular structure Magneto would have to get past the ocsillating anti magnetic field first, and with like 3 other high powered avengers breathing down his back, doing so will get him killed.

 

 

from looking at your post(quoted above), i can only repeat what i've already said. come back and rejoin the debate after you've yelled at your physics teacher.

 

because, while it's obvious that you are more than capable of looking up various websites with scientific knowledge. you are clearly unable to actually understand the information on said websites.

 

 

next time you are looking at the mentioned websites, try searching for Electro-Magnetism, what it actually does in the atomic structure, and the effects on the electro-magnetic bonds when several atoms are put together to form actual molecules.

 

or better yet, find one of the physics teachers on your school(someone other than your regular one) and have them sit down and explain it to you in simple terms and small words.

 

 

 

 

as for the tectonic plates debates, as i've already said more than once, the total weight of the tectonic plates is Massive, there is no doubt about that. however, since they are floating on Magma, a very thick fluid at a temperature of somewhere between 1000 and 3000 degrees Celsius, the Hulk is only actually Pulling, a small part of that weight.

 

there is no doubt that it is an impressive feat. it is, however, not quite as impressive as people make it out to be.

[Guest force_echo]

from looking at your post(quoted above), i can only repeat what i've already said. come back and rejoin the debate after you've yelled at your physics teacher.

 

because, while it's obvious that you are more than capable of looking up various websites with scientific knowledge. you are clearly unable to actually understand the information on said websites.

 

 

next time you are looking at the mentioned websites, try searching for Electro-Magnetism, what it actually does in the atomic structure, and the effects on the electro-magnetic bonds when several atoms are put together to form actual molecules.

 

or better yet, find one of the physics teachers on your school(someone other than your regular one) and have them sit down and explain it to you in simple terms and small words.

 

 

 

 

as for the tectonic plates debates, as i've already said more than once, the total weight of the tectonic plates is Massive, there is no doubt about that. however, since they are floating on Magma, a very thick fluid at a temperature of somewhere between 1000 and 3000 degrees Celsius, the Hulk is only actually Pulling, a small part of that weight.

 

there is no doubt that it is an impressive feat. it is, however, not quite as impressive as people make it out to be.

Ah, insults but no info. Just the way idiots are meant to debate.

[Guest sirmethos]

Ah, insults but no info. Just the way idiots are meant to debate.

 

not insults. i was actually trying to help you.

 

once you actually sit down with a physics teacher and have him/her explain some things to you, you'll have a better understanding of how things work, and you will be a better debater.

 

everyone can look at wiki or other websites, but reading them is not the same as understanding them.

 

 

my brother has some bookmarks to sites with quantum physics that i can't even begin to understand, but i can Read them just fine.

 

 

there's nothing wrong with understanding your own limitations, and trying to fix them. but if you want to continue making yourself look ignorant, then that's your choice -shrug-

 

 

 

since you ask for information, here it is:

 

Electro-Magnetism is the force that keeps Protons and Electrons together.

 

the Electro-Magnetic bonds holding the Electrons to the Protons switch to allow Electrons to move to other atoms when atoms are put together in molecules.

 

the strength of the Electro-Magnetic bonds remain the same, even when the bond is switched to allow Electrons to move to other atoms.

 

 

 

Iron Man is protected from direct, large scale, magnetic manipulation of his armor.

 

Thank you for ignoring my post. Iron Man has an antimagnetic field in his armor.

 

 

You have to zoom the pic to see the dialogue, but Magneto's magnetism powers do not affect Tony.

 

according to the scan the armor is has simply been De-magnetized. this is not "an antimagnetic field", it is a small change in the atomic structure of the armor. this, in no way, changes the electro-magnetic bonds holding the Electons and Protons together. nor does it in any way, prevent manipulation other than large scale magnetic manipulation.

 

 

Magneto controls not just Magnetism(which the armor is protected against) but Electro-Magnetism, and all forms of electro-magnetic radiation, including visible light, radio waves, ultraviolet light, gamma rays, and x-rays. he has also been shown to manipulate gravity to a certain point. and it has been stated that as long as Magneto is in good physical condition, his powers are "for all practical purposes, limitless." - Marvel.com

 

 

 

all this, put together with Magneto's skills and intellect, shows that. 1. Iron Mans armor is not protected against sub-atomic manipulation, like removing the electro-magnetic bonds holding the Protons and Electrons together. 2. Magneto is more than capable of doing it in terms of both power and skills.

 

 

to repeat my bottom line: Magneto, with little more than a thought, removes the electro-magnetic bonds in Iron Mans armor, and the armor dissolves around him, leaving Tony Stark, a slightly enhanced normal human, who is little more than an annoyance in this fight.

[Marvel Man]

Quick question: When has Magneto ever taken someone apart by separating their electrons? I mean, theoretically, it sort of makes sense. But really? Maybe it's a lot harder than it appears...

[Stranglehold-prime]

X-men wins.

[Guest sirmethos]

Quick question: When has Magneto ever taken someone apart by separating their electrons? I mean, theoretically, it sort of makes sense. But really? Maybe it's a lot harder than it appears...

 

Wolverine: Future Imperfect.

 

after Shinobi Shaw goes Etheral, he tells him that he is "still bound by the laws of electro-magnetism" then sends out an energy pulse that dissolves him on a sub-atomic level, same as i'm proposing that Magneto does to Iron Mans armor.

 

he did it to Shaw without any kind of effort.

 

 

this is the first example that springs to mind.

[Guest Omega11]

Wolverine: Future Imperfect.

 

after Shinobi Shaw goes Etheral, he tells him that he is "still bound by the laws of electro-magnetism" then sends out an energy pulse that dissolves him on a sub-atomic level, same as i'm proposing that Magneto does to Iron Mans armor.

 

he did it to Shaw without any kind of effort.

 

 

this is the first example that springs to mind.

 

I'm not familiar with that, but it sounds like an alternate future or something. And if it is, then you can't really use that as a feat for 616 Magneto.