Deadliest Warriors:Predators(Yautja) vs Elites(Sangheili)

[RakaiThwei]

Humans can actually survive lightning bolts... does this mean humans can survive the Covenant's plasma weaponry?

 

There is a difference of surviving a lightning bolt, and tanking two strikes and not even being phased.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Guest Red Blue Blur]

Humans can actually survive lightning bolts... does this mean humans can survive the Covenant's plasma weaponry?

Can but it doesnt happen without consequences. The pred took it and laughed about it. A human could take a covenant plasma blast and survie but they would be hurt. I dont see why it wouldnt be the same situation with a pred. Lightning has more heat than the plasma bolts.

[Guest force_echo]

Why does it always devolve into the semantics?

Not everyone's as civil as you bud. People get angry, its how life works.

 

Lightning is not hotter than the plasma, e;ectrical discharges don't really have temperatures, lightning creates hotter superheated air, in fact air as hot as the surface of the sun, so hot that it actually ionizes into Plasma, so the point is moot in the first place.

[Guest Red Blue Blur]

Not everyone's as civil as you bud. People get angry, its how life works.

 

Lightning is not hotter than the plasma, e;ectrical discharges don't really have temperatures, lightning creates hotter superheated air, in fact air as hot as the surface of the sun, so hot that it actually ionizes into Plasma, so the point is moot in the first place.

The temperature of the air around a bolt of lightning is about 54,000° Fahrenheit (30,000° Celsius), which is six times hotter than the surface of the sun.

 

and the pred survived that twice with no known damage. The plasma bolts arent that hot.

 

http://www.enotes.com/science-fact-finder/...w-hot-lightning

[Indolent]

Can but it doesnt happen without consequences. The pred took it and laughed about it. A human could take a covenant plasma blast and survie but they would be hurt. I dont see why it wouldnt be the same situation with a pred. Lightning has more heat than the plasma bolts.

Actually, that's not true. There's an instance where a Plasma Pistol's been shown to melt the head of an elite off in one shot, a uncharged shot. A Human would be destroyed by this. If they were shot in the chest, no doubt there would be a gaping hole through and through. It is deadly even to Spartans clad in Titanium A armor.

 

Besides, based on the logic of surviving lightning bolts, would a Predator even be able to withstand a shot from their own Plasma Caster? They're similar to the Elite's plasma weaponry.

 

I think not.

[Guest force_echo]

The temperature of the air around a bolt of lightning is about 54,000° Fahrenheit (30,000° Celsius), which is six times hotter than the surface of the sun.

 

and the pred survived that twice with no known damage. The plasma bolts arent that hot.

 

http://www.enotes.com/science-fact-finder/...w-hot-lightning

Exactly, the lightning itself is not hot, it only has amps and volts. Humans can survive lightning, there was this one guy who got struck 6 times.

[RakaiThwei]

Exactly, the lightning itself is not hot, it only has amps and volts. Humans can survive lightning, there was this one guy who got struck 6 times.

 

Yeah but, did he come out unphased?

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Indolent]

The temperature of the air around a bolt of lightning is about 54,000° Fahrenheit (30,000° Celsius), which is six times hotter than the surface of the sun.

 

and the pred survived that twice with no known damage. The plasma bolts arent that hot.

 

http://www.enotes.com/science-fact-finder/...w-hot-lightning

Again, Humans have survived this temperature. They survive the lightning bolts and the temperature it creates. (Not that I'm comparing the durability of a Predator and a Human, just pointing something out.)

 

A plasma pistol melts the head off of a far more durable Elite (compared to a human), and the temperature of the shot isn't as hot as the bolt.

 

See what I'm saying? The Lightning doesn't even melt a simple human, where it should considering the temperature compared to the plasma bolt's. I'm thinking its... done differently compared to the two.

 

EDIT: Force Echo's made my point.

[Guest force_echo]

Yeah but, did he come out unphased?

 

-Rakai'Thwei

I don't know, I read it in a book.

 

What makes you think a plasma bolt from a Covenant weapon wouldn't be as hot as the plasma generated from lightning anyway? You have no way of showing that the electron density or volume of the plasma bolt is any different, and you don't know what the gun is made out of so you cannot argue melting points either.

 

Did anyone disprove that Elites are way stronger than Predators?

[RakaiThwei]

I don't know, I read it in a book.

 

Okay.

 

What makes you think a plasma bolt from a Covenant weapon wouldn't be as hot as the plasma generated from lightning anyway? You have no way of showing that the electron density or volume of the plasma bolt is any different, and you don't know what the gun is made out of so you cannot argue melting points either.

 

Ummm.... I'm not in this debate. I was just asking if the guy came out unharmed.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Guest ricrery]

whats funnier is that Skirmisher tries to downplay everything in his favor. A solid stone door standing at 8 to 10 feet high and about 5 to 8 feet thick would weigh more than 400lbs. More like 2 tons and thats just the actual stone part shown. Skirmisher again does not understand how engineering works.

 

Just two tons? It isn't a 1 by 1 by 1 meter door, is it?

[Guest ricrery]

Did anyone disprove that Elites are way stronger than Predators?

 

Maybe I did?

[Guest sirmethos]

Yeah but, did he come out unphased?

 

-Rakai'Thwei

 

the one i know of(have read of) that was hit by lightning 6 or more times came out of it unphased, yes. aside from getting a bit nervous whenever storm clouds started gathering.

 

the locals in the village he lived in started using him as a weather predictor, ie. "when old <insert name> starts to seek inside, it's gonna be thunder.", and yes, it's a true story.

[Guest ricrery]

Again, Humans have survived this temperature. They survive the lightning bolts and the temperature it creates. (Not that I'm comparing the durability of a Predator and a Human, just pointing something out.)

 

That's because most of the energy goes into the ground below them. If they received it all, they would be undoubtedly dead, which can still happen if the strike goes through the heart. Even though humans don't receive most of the energy, they still receive burns and other types of damage. Unlike the Yautja, who laugh it off even after several direct hits.

 

A plasma pistol melts the head off of a far more durable Elite (compared to a human), and the temperature of the shot isn't as hot as the bolt.

 

You mean the claim that I debunked earlier?

 

See what I'm saying? The Lightning doesn't even melt a simple human, where it should considering the temperature compared to the plasma bolt's. I'm thinking its... done differently compared to the two.

 

Lightning actually usually contains millions of volts and amperes, with an output of terawatts. The bolt lasts only around a millionth of a second, so the actual amount of energy in the bolt is in the megajoule range, most of which doesn't hit its victim anyway.

[Skirmisher]

That's because most of the energy goes into the ground below them.

Much like how the Yautja use their Wireweave suits to Ground the Lightning around Them and make it seem as though they tanked it by themselves.

 

 

You mean the claim that I debunked earlier?

Nope, you didn't debunk it at all.

 

Plasma Pistol melted an Elites head. Meaning that there is some mechanize in the bolts that exceed the rated energy after hitting their target.

 

The Fact remains that it happened. And as the Numbers on Plasma Pistols and Rifles are similar, they to have the capability to do such a thing.

 

Seeing as how they fire at a power that equals the Middle setting for what we've seen Plasma Casters to be at, except they fire at a Much Much Much faster Rate of Fire then them... then this fight goes to the Superior Weapons of the Sangheili.

 

 

Lightning actually usually contains millions of volts and amperes, with an output of terawatts. The bolt lasts only around a millionth of a second, so the actual amount of energy in the bolt is in the megajoule range, most of which doesn't hit its victim anyway.

Yeah, like most of it doesn't hit the Predator either, thanks to their Insulated suits.

[Guest Red Blue Blur]

Much like how the Yautja use their Wireweave suits to Ground the Lightning around Them and make it seem as though they tanked it by themselves.

 

 

 

Nope, you didn't debunk it at all.

 

Plasma Pistol melted an Elites head. Meaning that there is some mechanize in the bolts that exceed the rated energy after hitting their target.

 

The Fact remains that it happened. And as the Numbers on Plasma Pistols and Rifles are similar, they to have the capability to do such a thing.

 

Seeing as how they fire at a power that equals the Middle setting for what we've seen Plasma Casters to be at, except they fire at a Much Much Much faster Rate of Fire then them... then this fight goes to the Superior Weapons of the Sangheili.

 

 

 

Yeah, like most of it doesn't hit the Predator either, thanks to their Insulated suits.

Nice try. Another fact not disproven. The pred is Predator 2 only had armor on his shoulders, waist, wrist and his helmet. The body legs and back of head were exposed. Also the preds have shown to fire multiple blasts in rapid succession just like in Predator one in the final fight scene. Also a single blast from the plasma caster shows a lot more damaging effects than plasma pistols. The equal about the damage of fuel rods.

 

Also the Elites have not shown the raw power of the preds in fighting. Preds can punch through concrete. In South China Sea a Pred either kicked or punched a moving truck and flipped it with the force.

[Skirmisher]

Nice try. Another fact not disproven. The pred is Predator 2 only had armor on his shoulders, waist, wrist and his helmet. The body legs and back of head were exposed.

Yes, and he had that Woven Wire underliner thing that was also used to cloak the predator... Nice Try...

 

 

 

Also the preds have shown to fire multiple blasts in rapid succession just like in Predator one in the final fight scene. Also a single blast from the plasma caster shows a lot more damaging effects than plasma pistols. The equal about the damage of fuel rods.

nope, again false.

 

We haven't seen how Plasma Weapons would really react. All we have are Game Mechanics and the stuff in the Novels, and the Novels show single shots at base power Melting whole heads off of targets.

 

As well, the Rifle has shown Much Much Higher rates of fire than the Plasma Caster ever has. And only on Rare occasion has the Plasma Caster shown a similar level of damage to the Game Mechanic Fuel Rod... Like the Plasma Weapons, they are Far more deadly then they are in the games due to Balancing Issues and the fact that they don't want to show radioactive chunky salsa and flying body parts like Fallout3 does.

 

 

Also the Elites have not shown the raw power of the preds in fighting. Preds can punch through concrete. In South China Sea a Pred either kicked or punched a moving truck and flipped it with the force.

And you think an Elite cannot do a similar thing? They can.

[RakaiThwei]

Yes, and he had that Woven Wire underliner thing that was also used to cloak the predator... Nice Try...

 

Not this stupid argument again..

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Guest ricrery]

Much like how the Yautja use their Wireweave suits to Ground the Lightning around Them and make it seem as though they tanked it by themselves.

 

Proof?

 

Nope, you didn't debunk it at all.

 

Plasma Pistol melted an Elites head. Meaning that there is some mechanize in the bolts that exceed the rated energy after hitting their target.

 

Or it isn't true (given that Noble 6's leg's weren't ruined with enough energy to destroy ones head should have made this obvious), and Bungie's statement (the same people who don't agree with Covenant M/AM reactors and teraton MACs, no doubt) is right.

 

The Fact remains that it happened. And as the Numbers on Plasma Pistols and Rifles are similar, they to have the capability to do such a thing.

 

Yet in Halo Wars, a guy got shot in the back, and there was no head melting damage there. Bungie's word > ANY EU statement anywhere, anyway.

 

Seeing as how they fire at a power that equals the Middle setting for what we've seen Plasma Casters to be at, except they fire at a Much Much Much faster Rate of Fire then them... then this fight goes to the Superior Weapons of the Sangheili.

 

No. They. Don't. Their weapons are 5 kilojoules as stated by Bungie. That would, at best, boil away skin.

 

Yeah, like most of it doesn't hit the Predator either, thanks to their Insulated suits.

 

Proof?

[Guest Red Blue Blur]

Yes, and he had that Woven Wire underliner thing that was also used to cloak the predator... Nice Try...

 

 

 

 

nope, again false.

 

We haven't seen how Plasma Weapons would really react. All we have are Game Mechanics and the stuff in the Novels, and the Novels show single shots at base power Melting whole heads off of targets.

 

As well, the Rifle has shown Much Much Higher rates of fire than the Plasma Caster ever has. And only on Rare occasion has the Plasma Caster shown a similar level of damage to the Game Mechanic Fuel Rod... Like the Plasma Weapons, they are Far more deadly then they are in the games due to Balancing Issues and the fact that they don't want to show radioactive chunky salsa and flying body parts like Fallout3 does.

 

 

 

And you think an Elite cannot do a similar thing? They can.

1) Now he wasnt in the scans

 

2)In the movies the blasts obliterate xenos and EASILY blow the heads off of humans. Same as and plasma bolt. Also seeing as how you say all we have are game mechanics then lets point out that a regular human can dodge the plamsa bolts and survive them. Preds have been known to dodge bullets which fire MUCH faster than plasma bolts also.

 

3)The Elites have not shown that ability. Nor have they demonstrated the strength of a pred like jumping to 3 times their height (21ft straight up) or fall 10 times there own height and land on there feet (70ft fall).

 

4) Also the preds have been shown to shrug off all sorts of heat related attacks. (Lightning, flamethrowers, and survivng point blank bombs)

[Guest force_echo]

Elites are as strong as Spartans if not stronger. Spartans can flip Scorpion Tanks easy. I'm pretty sure that beats punching through a concrete wall.

[Guest ricrery]

Elites are as strong as Spartans if not stronger. Spartans can flip Scorpion Tanks easy.

 

Complete nonsense. The Fall of Reach places Master Chief's maximum (read, maximum) lifting capacity at 3 times his own mass, which is 500 kilograms in his armor.

[C.T.]

Lifting is technically not the same as flipping. Flipping is easier.

[Guest Red Blue Blur]

Lifting is technically not the same as flipping. Flipping is easier.

the only time that MC has shown the ability o flip a tank is in game mechanics.

[Indolent]

the only time that MC has shown the ability o flip a tank is in game mechanics.

Which is basically the same thing as Scarface's so called lifting of 16 tons. It was done in game mechanics.