Who is the Most Evil

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

Um... they were Na zi's Elite Members they deserved no sympathy...

 

Now, I would more consider Lt. Aldo Raine and his group to be the Most Evil, from the film (Aside from the obvious ones that burned in the theater...)

 

Frankly there's a difference between Assassinating People who were genuinely evil using fire, and massacring and disfiguring soldiers who more than likely were only believing propaganda, or fighting for their Homeland.

well if uve studied *uncreative* germany as much as i have ud see why ur wrong all the ppl at tht time were brainwashed the ones tht resisted were killed u saying that is like saying everyone in the south was for slavery, which i will say a majority were but not all just like some ppl saw things like *uncreative* and others didnt

[comic_book_fan]

I say Magneto for three reasons:

1) Like Frollo he believes what he's doing is right

2) He won't hesitate killing someone

3) His power makes him one of the most dangerous opponets.

and he is the very thing that he hates the most.

he say he hates humans because of what the Nazis did to him but yet he does the same thing and still sees him self as better.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

and he is the very thing that he hates the most.

he say he hates humans because of what the Nazis did to him but yet he does the same thing and still sees him self as better.

why does it let u type n a z i s but it wont let me

[Twogunkid]

well, one could easily argue that he was right -shrug-

How? For two reasons? One if anyone is Christian or Satanic or Jewish or Muslim they would aknowledge God is not fictional. Therefroe he could not be the most evil fictional character. Second assuming we are using the Judeo-Christian God the one commonly referenced as such, then wouldn't we be accepting a merciful just God? Not my defenition of evil.

[Skirmisher]

well if uve studied *uncreative* germany as much as i have ud see why ur wrong all the ppl at tht time were brainwashed the ones tht resisted were killed u saying that is like saying everyone in the south was for slavery, which i will say a majority were but not all just like some ppl saw things like *uncreative* and others didnt

That's... kinda what I said...

 

The ones burnt in the Fire were the likes of Hermann Göring, Heinrich Himmler, and Joseph Goebbels... they were the Elite of the Party and the ones who along with their Führer orchestrated the mass genocide of the Jews. Like I said, they deserved no pity for burning to death in a fire.

 

The Common Wehrmacht soldier though was just a misguided nationalist, and that's why I say that Lt. Aldo Raine and his group were Most Evil (Aside from the obvious) due to their highly polarized view. What is Truly Evil are the ones who act evil and commit evil but see themselves as Good.

[Guest force_echo]

How? For two reasons? One if anyone is Christian or Satanic or Jewish or Muslim they would aknowledge God is not fictional. Therefroe he could not be the most evil fictional character. Second assuming we are using the Judeo-Christian God the one commonly referenced as such, then wouldn't we be accepting a merciful just God? Not my defenition of evil.

I think he's referring to the fact that beliefs in different Gods leads to merciless murder all around the world. A man who probably dosen't even exist and he still kills more people than any soldier would hope to. Sounds pretty damn evil to me.

[Guest LoneWolf]

Real life serial killers like Edward Fish or Gilles de Rais. There was another guy.. I forget his name.. during the 20's he was actually procalimed the most evil man alive... Carl something.

[Guest Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes)]

That's... kinda what I said...

 

The ones burnt in the Fire were the likes of Hermann Göring, Heinrich Himmler, and Joseph Goebbels... they were the Elite of the Party and the ones who along with their Führer orchestrated the mass genocide of the Jews. Like I said, they deserved no pity for burning to death in a fire.

 

They were human beings. They were suffering. They were in pain.

 

No human being sould be that cruel to another human being, regardless of what the other human being has done.

 

The bottom line is that the scene gave me nightmares after I saw it. I didn't rationalize it like you did, I just saw pure cruelty displayed on the screen.

 

What is Truly Evil are the ones who act evil and commit evil but see themselves as Good.

 

That further proves my point that Shosanna is the most evil of all.

[Guest Nilan]

I ignored him saying God, because I assumed it was for shock value. An athiest friend of mine and I go at each other about twice week

 

I do "shock value" posts only in discussions that mean something, so no. I don't see how saying The Joker is valid, but saying God isn't.

 

God is supposed to represent the Ultimate of everything right? Surely, evil comes under "everything". Can any mere villain claim to be superior in his/her evil-ness (or whatever the word is) than God?

 

All evil beings are created, supervised and allowed to continue with their evil deeds only via God's consent. The blood of all innocents killed by every villain, is thus also on God's hands, no matter which villain it is.

 

If He isn't the most evil, can you name someone who can outdo him in being evil? Come on, give me some names.

[Guest Nilan]

How? For two reasons? One if anyone is Christian or Satanic or Jewish or Muslim they would aknowledge God is not fictional. Therefroe he could not be the most evil fictional character.

 

Plenty of folk also believe in Santa Clause, shall we start calling him a part of non-fiction then? Belief has nothing to do with whether or not something is fictional.

 

Second assuming we are using the Judeo-Christian God the one commonly referenced as such, then wouldn't we be accepting a merciful just God? Not my defenition of evil.

 

Go read the Old Testament. This Judeo-Christian God is neither merciful nor just.

[Helen C]

Real life serial killers like Edward Fish or Gilles de Rais. There was another guy.. I forget his name.. during the 20's he was actually procalimed the most evil man alive... Carl something.

"The Most Evil Man Alive", or "the wickedest man in the world" was neither a serial killer, nor a Carl. Aleister Crowley was an occultist, and pagan religious leader. His beliefs that were contradicting to moral and religious values at the time earned him that name. “Do What Thou Wiltâ€

 

God is supposed to represent the Ultimate of everything right? Surely, evil comes under "everything". Can any mere villain claim to be superior in his/her evil-ness (or whatever the word is) than God?

This is actually incorrect, at least to the Judo-Christian or Islamic God. Omnibenevolence is one of the seven attributes of God, and being the Ultimate at Everything is not one of these properties.

 

However, I believe omnibenevolence is in itself a contradictory statement, especially as He is omniscient, omnipotent and imminent, and yet he allows evil to exist within the world. As such I agree with the rest of what you've posted.

[Guest bigballerju]

You want evil?

 

Read the issue in Dark Avengers where Bullseye kills Sentry's wife.

 

That is still the most f**ked up kill since Joker killing Jason Todd.

[Skirmisher]

They were human beings. They were suffering. They were in pain.

 

No human being sould be that cruel to another human being, regardless of what the other human being has done.

 

The bottom line is that the scene gave me nightmares after I saw it. I didn't rationalize it like you did, I just saw pure cruelty displayed on the screen.

So... you think this, or this, or this, allows them any pity? The people that were burnt in the theater weren't human, they revoked their membership when they agreed to commit genocide.

[Guest force_echo]

What is Truly Evil are the ones who act evil and commit evil but see themselves as Good.

That makes them not evil at all...

[Guest tomisntblue]

If He isn't the most evil, can you name someone who can outdo him in being evil? Come on, give me some names.

 

YHWH

Jehova

I could go on but I think you get the joke

[Twogunkid]

Plenty of folk also believe in Santa Clause, shall we start calling him a part of non-fiction then? Belief has nothing to do with whether or not something is fictional.

 

 

 

Go read the Old Testament. This Judeo-Christian God is neither merciful nor just.

Very well. Science states matter cannot be created or deystroyed. Yet we also hold a linear understanding of time. Things have a beggining a middle and an end. Therefore at some point all matter and all energy had to come into being. An uncause cause to get theological. (Feel free to say science is made up of theories and that they are held on belief based on fact (because that's what religion is too)) Second. I would like to point out Ninevah. The city by all means was one of the most evil of its day, yet they repented and God spared them. God is willing to spare cities for the sake of the one good person. He wipes them out when not one is found. Without including Jesus I can point to God's mercy. He gave the Israelites many chances and even when they turn to idolatry time and time again he forgives them. God forgives Jonah after disobeying him directly. And at the final judgement all justice will be served. And seeing as the Christian part of the Judeo Christian God includes the new testament. If Jesus wanted he could have had legions of angels defend him. He preached love of enemies. He healed the centurion who came to arrest him after Peter cut off his ear. He let himself be put to death. Even then he says forgive them father for they know not what they do.

[Twogunkid]

I think he's referring to the fact that beliefs in different Gods leads to merciless murder all around the world. A man who probably dosen't even exist and he still kills more people than any soldier would hope to. Sounds pretty damn evil to me.

Man may rationalize things, but ultimately the evil is our choice. Weather we rationalize it by religion or by apptitude or even personal desire.

[Guest Scar]

The Joker? Please, The Joker is *tame* compared to the villains Garth Ennis pumps out and is pretty much your friendly neighborhood clown when compared to the stuff that comes out of Andrew Vachss' stuff when he makes the odd foray into comic territory.

 

Take Tiberius and Cristu Bulat for example. The former leaders of a Serb death squad, Tiberius and Cristu murder thousands of men, woman and children during the Balkan war. They only spared anyone on their last three massacres, but what they did to those they spared was far worse then killing them. Taking the young women from each of the three villages, they started a business in sex slavery, breaking the women by using gang *insensitivity* and importing them into the United States. They repeated these actions in the span of over half a decade, only to finally be brought down by The Punisher, who spent half a year just on them and their men alone.

 

As for Vachss? Seeing that he uses writing as an outlet for his job as a attorney representing child *insensitivity* and sexual abuse victims, a lot of which are the result of both their own families and the child sex slavery.. I mean, pornography business, you can just let your imagination do the work when it comes to the villains of his stories.

[Guest tomisntblue]

You know I'd like to throw the Comedian out for consideration.

[Guest Nilan]

Very well. Science states matter cannot be created or deystroyed. Yet we also hold a linear understanding of time. Things have a beggining a middle and an end. Therefore at some point all matter and all energy had to come into being. An uncause cause to get theological. (Feel free to say science is made up of theories and that they are held on belief based on fact (because that's what religion is too)) Second. I would like to point out Ninevah. The city by all means was one of the most evil of its day, yet they repented and God spared them. God is willing to spare cities for the sake of the one good person. He wipes them out when not one is found. Without including Jesus I can point to God's mercy. He gave the Israelites many chances and even when they turn to idolatry time and time again he forgives them. God forgives Jonah after disobeying him directly. And at the final judgement all justice will be served. And seeing as the Christian part of the Judeo Christian God includes the new testament. If Jesus wanted he could have had legions of angels defend him. He preached love of enemies. He healed the centurion who came to arrest him after Peter cut off his ear. He let himself be put to death. Even then he says forgive them father for they know not what they do.

 

Firstly, I have no idea why you want to have some atheist v theist argument with me, but fine, I'll play along. I'm not an atheist but I do have plenty of problems with your illogical argument. You seem to claim that since science is inadequate (so far) in explaining the origin of the universe, a belief in God is thus just as valid as one based on a scientific theory. It is not - Just because science does still not have the answer to how the universe came into existence, that doesn't mean you start making claims that it was created by some self-aware celestial entity that monitors the daily lives of human beings and punishes/rewards them based on their daily actions. That would be like me saying "You can't explain what happened to my muffin, so my belief that it sprouted wings and flew away is just as valid as your assumption that it must've been eaten by someone else."

 

Secondly I repeat - go read the Old Testament, God ordering the slaughter of entire villages merely because they worshipped the wrong god makes Him look neither just nor merciful. What you are doing is nothing short of deception - carefully picking instances of individual mercy that was supposedly granted, while ignoring His various acts of genocide scattered throughout the Bible.

 

Third, why are you avoiding my first request? If God is not the most evil, name someone who is more evil than God. Name someone who is responsible for the death of more innocents than God. It shouldn't be that hard if you honestly believe what you've been saying.

[Guest LoneWolf]

You know I'd like to throw the Comedian out for consideration.

Yes he is disgusting!

Also Wesley Gibson from Wanted was total scum.

[Guest Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes)]

Firstly, I have no idea why you want to have some atheist v theist argument with me, but fine, I'll play along. I'm not an atheist but I do have plenty of problems with your illogical argument. You seem to claim that since science is inadequate (so far) in explaining the origin of the universe, a belief in God is thus just as valid as one based on a scientific theory. It is not - Just because science does still not have the answer to how the universe came into existence, that doesn't mean you start making claims that it was created by some self-aware celestial entity that monitors the daily lives of human beings and punishes/rewards them based on their daily actions. That would be like me saying "You can't explain what happened to my muffin, so my belief that it sprouted wings and flew away is just as valid as your assumption that it must've been eaten by someone else."

 

Secondly I repeat - go read the Old Testament, God ordering the slaughter of entire villages merely because they worshipped the wrong god makes Him look neither just nor merciful. What you are doing is nothing short of deception - carefully picking instances of individual mercy that was supposedly granted, while ignoring His various acts of genocide scattered throughout the Bible.

 

Third, why are you avoiding my first request? If God is not the most evil, name someone who is more evil than God. Name someone who is responsible for the death of more innocents than God. It shouldn't be that hard if you honestly believe what you've been saying.

 

So...if you are not an atheist, when what religion do you believe in? Because all of that sounded like something an atheist would say.

[Twogunkid]

Firstly, I have no idea why you want to have some atheist v theist argument with me, but fine, I'll play along. I'm not an atheist but I do have plenty of problems with your illogical argument. You seem to claim that since science is inadequate (so far) in explaining the origin of the universe, a belief in God is thus just as valid as one based on a scientific theory. It is not - Just because science does still not have the answer to how the universe came into existence, that doesn't mean you start making claims that it was created by some self-aware celestial entity that monitors the daily lives of human beings and punishes/rewards them based on their daily actions. That would be like me saying "You can't explain what happened to my muffin, so my belief that it sprouted wings and flew away is just as valid as your assumption that it must've been eaten by someone else."

 

Secondly I repeat - go read the Old Testament, God ordering the slaughter of entire villages merely because they worshipped the wrong god makes Him look neither just nor merciful. What you are doing is nothing short of deception - carefully picking instances of individual mercy that was supposedly granted, while ignoring His various acts of genocide scattered throughout the Bible.

 

Third, why are you avoiding my first request? If God is not the most evil, name someone who is more evil than God. Name someone who is responsible for the death of more innocents than God. It shouldn't be that hard if you honestly believe what you've been saying.

Science will always be inadequate to explain the origin of the universe, because no matter how far back we go we will always have to ask "what caused that?" There is a basis for a belief in God, because ultimately we cannot know all the answers.

God wipes out cities, but as I said only after not one good person could be found. Second if 11 million commbatants and that is excluding the Holocaust and civilian causualties died in World War II that is more than the population of the Earth in the time period you are refferring to. I can say three people (main responsibility not sole) are responsible for a lot of death. In the Old Testament those wiped out were guilty of sin, they were not some innocent people you make them out to be. Often those worshiping other Gods would also be guilty of other sins like human sacrifice. God is not killing people indiscriminately the way you seem to see it.

[Guest Nilan]

Science will always be inadequate to explain the origin of the universe, because no matter how far back we go we will always have to ask "what caused that?" There is a basis for a belief in God, because ultimately we cannot know all the answers.

 

Again. Just because we don't know the answer to something, that doesn't mean all theories about it are equally valid. Saying the universe is too complex and that some inexplicable force has to be behind it is one thing. Stretching that argument to then claim that this force monitors you, is omnipresent, punishes the wicked, rewards the good etc is completely different. That is what religion does, it takes a premise that is valid at it's foundation and makes it something silly. There is NOTHING mankind knows of to even remotely demonstrate that a force powerful enough to create the universe would care about our day to day activities. Fact, not faith.

 

As for this (commonly used) "First Cause" argument, why is it that God is immune to this law but the universe is not?

 

God wipes out cities, but as I said only after not one good person could be found. Second if 11 million commbatants and that is excluding the Holocaust and civilian causualties died in World War II that is more than the population of the Earth in the time period you are refferring to. I can say three people (main responsibility not sole) are responsible for a lot of death.

 

Mass murder is mass murder, what on earth is your point here? That the mass extermination of villages and cities is not a big deal because bigger things have happened later down the line?

 

In the Old Testament those wiped out were guilty of sin, they were not some innocent people you make them out to be. Often those worshiping other Gods would also be guilty of other sins like human sacrifice. God is not killing people indiscriminately the way you seem to see it.

 

What "sin" were they guilty of? Adultery, Idolatory, Sodomy etc. If you think people deserve to be murdered for being gay or following polytheism, maybe somebody should add your name to this "Who is the Most Evil" list.

 

And for the third time in a row, I am STILL waiting for you to name someone who is more evil than God and who has been responsible for the death of more innocents.

[Guest Nilan]

So...if you are not an atheist, when what religion do you believe in? Because all of that sounded like something an atheist would say.

 

No. There are several forms of irreligion, it isn't as simple as "religious" and "atheist", those black-and-white categories are for people who have not given enough thought to the subject.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion