Guest Red Blue Blur Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Agreed, for the most part. Why do you keep using that example as a physical feat for Superman? I've explained it before, and I'll do so again. A feat performed by Superman whilst flying is not a measure of his physical strength. When Superman flies, a field envelpos his body in a form of telekinesis, as stated by DC. This field also envelopes whatever object he is holding, and is powered soley by his force of will, Not His Physical Strength. So if he can pull a planet while flying, it does not mean he can lift a planet on solid ground. What does this mean? A flying/lifting feat is in no way a measure of how hard Superman can hit. It's stated that he has a maximum lift of 1,000,000 tons. I assume that is true lifting, and not flying/lifting. Let's go by that, instead of assuming he can lift more because he can fly with more. Supermans will> Supermans strength. I hope that was clear enough this time.You seem to be the only one that views it that way. The comics view lifting a pyramid and flying with it a physical feat. Him moving a planet is a physical feat. Thats why these feats are listed under the strength category on EVERY source you can find. Its not his will power than moves objects. Only GL's operate off of willpower. I think almost anyone on this site will agree with that. If a character physically pushes or pulls a planet they are considered strong enough to move that weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xman4life Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 how can someone honestly say that thor can beat ww hulk. he may have killed hulk four times but how many times has hulk beat him. dont feed me that whole holding back thing. trust me im a fan of thor he reallllllly is powerful. he really is a big dog in marvel but ww hulk is also. first off juggernaunt is UNSTOPPABLE when he is running its fact. not even superman could stop him. he uses the crystal magic so it doesnt matter if he is in motion. but were not talking odin force thor or rune king thor just regular thor. odin force thor could kill 90 percent of marvel and so could rune king thor. but again thor is great but ww hulk is a BEAST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Classic80s Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Hunter/Prey Doomsday would be a hell of a test for World War Hulk. I personally don't think Hulk could win that fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Omega11 Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 thor couldnt beat sentry one on one so how the hell would he beat ww hulk? Thor was fighting the Void, while World War Hulk was fighting the Sentry. There's quite a large difference actually. And if you'll remember correctly, Thor was the one who actually killed the Void. yes because he suit was aborbing energy faster and more efficently than the other two supermen and because he already starts out the same strength as then then that puts him at a major advantage No, Prime starts out at a significantly higher level of strength than the other two supermen. Prime is essentially a Pre-Crisis Superman, the one who was dragging a dozen or more planets around on a chain(must have been a "super" chain). Superman has had huge brawls and defeated...Superboy-Prime. The only time that happened was after both of them lost their powers via red sun which resulted in a full-grown man with years of experience fighting a teenage boy with almost none. This was in about the same time frame. Hulk lost to Wolverine. First of all that is the Grey Hulk, not World War Hulk. How is that considered a loss for Hulk? He gets up after maybe 10 seconds healing the wounds and ready to continue the fight. Then when he was Juggernaut WW Hulk just moved out the way and let Juggernaut keep running since he couldn't stop. 1. Juggernaut was distracted by Professor X at that point. 2. Hulk left(some could argue fled) before Juggernaut got out of the swamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shellsbut Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Darkseid, Apocalypse, Thanos, Superman, Black Adam, Superboy-Prime, Monarch, and Thor WWH easily destroys Thor Apocalypse Superman Darksied. Sentry punks most of those characters with little effort and Hulk beat him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 WWH easily destroys Thor Apocalypse Superman Darksied. Sentry punks most of those characters with little effort and Hulk beat him in a pure slugfest, Thor and Superman, probably yes. against Darkseid and Thanos he would get beaten eventually. against Apocalypse he would just get smacked around. Hulk/WWH is strong, yes, obscenely strong, yes, but Apocalypse is exactly as strong as he wants to be, with no upper limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Well don't forget Ironman caused the major damage to Sentry if I am correct. Thor really just picked up what was left and finished him off. WW Hulk and Superman would go at it a long time. WW Hulk powered by anger. Superman powered by the sun. WW Hulk won't easily beat Superman. Superman has no power limit and always holds back. For all we know Superman's real power limit makes Sentry look like a joke. Current Thor was reborn and walked his father's path. Current Thor would destroy Sentry because he is suppose to be more powerful then he has ever been. Well thats if Marvel changed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Thor was still beating the entire Void entity. The same Void that made Hulk cry like a little baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thanosisawesome Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Thanos could beat WWH in the slugfest, with his extreme strength and durability, Superman no, he's not that powerful, pure slugfest he loses, and Darkseid, pure slugfest, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xman4life Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Ok for people who just don't get it.Wrold breaker hulk>ww hulk>meastro>regular hulk>grey hulk. Ww hulk is hulk times 20. Supes can not in any shape form or fashion beat ww hulk. If regular hulk can hold up 450 000 000 000 billion tons then WTF you think ww hulk can do when he is 20 times stronger and has no limit? Sentry broke every bone in REGULAR hulks body. That wasn't even a fight? Hulk didn't even fight back because hulk and sentry were friends so he took it and left it alone!Post ww hulk feats not hulk feats there is a big difference. You don't compare regular supes to sbp do you? Hell no.I believe in a fist fight ww hulk could beat thanos and darkseid purely because these people don't "fist"fight that much while hulk specializes in it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Ok for people who just don't get it.Wrold breaker hulk>ww hulk>meastro>regular hulk>grey hulk. Ww hulk is hulk times 20. Supes can not in any shape form or fashion beat ww hulk. If regular hulk can hold up 450 000 000 000 billion tons then WTF you think ww hulk can do when he is 20 times stronger and has no limit? Sentry broke every bone in REGULAR hulks body. That wasn't even a fight? Hulk didn't even fight back because hulk and sentry were friends so he took it and left it alone!Post ww hulk feats not hulk feats there is a big difference. You don't compare regular supes to sbp do you? Hell no.I believe in a fist fight ww hulk could beat thanos and darkseid purely because these people don't "fist"fight that much while hulk specializes in it!It was 150 billion tons, you are reffering to the Secret Wars right? If so you need to stop twisting facts into your favor, that is no way to debate. Making facts up is doing nothing but making you look like an ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Thanos could beat WWH in the slugfest, with his extreme strength and durability, Superman no, he's not that powerful, pure slugfest he loses, and Darkseid, pure slugfest, no. I believe in a fist fight ww hulk could beat thanos and darkseid purely because these people don't "fist"fight that much while hulk specializes in it! Both Thanos and Darkseid could defeat WWH in a slugfest, both their skill level and their base level strength is high enough that they could take him down before his strength goes above their own strength level. Just to give you a little idea of Darkseid's strength: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Artemis Entreri Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 What the hell is wrong with you guys? First of all OOC asked about World War Hulk, not Prof, Savage, or Grey Hulk: yet all I see are comparison to those version of him. WW Hulk dwarfs them all in power. NO ONE can stand toe to toe with Hulk in a brawl and win... Are you youngsters crazy? You guys always pointing to feats in comics when the writers in Marvel all stated Hulk is "The Strongest One There is..." its been this way for before you were born. Hell, Thanos came to recruit Hulk and stated Hulk was one of the most powerful beings in the know multiverse. Apocalypse also stated similar facts when he turned Hulk into War. Hulk in turn beat Thanos with one punch, knocking Thanos out cold. He crush the "unbreakable Celestial" armour Apocalypse gave him! Odin even invited Hulk to Asgard to replace Thor and become a God of Strength. As far as Superman goes... Look I concede that Superman should win a hard fought battle with Hulk if he used all his power and skill sets. But this is not the question the OOC asked. He asked who'd win in a brawl. HULK HANDS DOWN. Someone said Supes was a battery of yellow Sun energy so he would continue to get stronger as the sun shines... Stupid, sorry, Superman is weaker at night. Hulk never gets weaker. In fact Hulk gets stronger and more durable and faster as well. While never tiring. The same sun that gives superman all his strength is the same sun that Hulk recieves his Gamma energy from. Superman has a upper limit, while it's not known it still exist. The writers have concede this point many times. They also stated plenty times that Hulk was indeed stronger than Supes. They pointed to Superman's other powers in evening out the fight with Hulk, namely his speed! Darkseid has been pummeled by Superman on many occassions... He's a non-factor in a pure brawl with Hulk. But, as I stated at the beginning, we are speaking about the most powerful form of Hulk to ever surface in Marvel (Except for, as Marvel Man pointed out, World Breaker Hulk). There is no writer you can find that would use some character straight up brawling with WW Hulk and win without aid of other powers. It's just not done!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 -snip- WWH, is a vastly overrated character, simply because he has been stated as being the most powerful incarnation of Hulk. What people forget is, that WWH is the strongest incarnation at Base level, every incarnation of Hulk has the same potential, i.e. unlimited strength. The potential for Unlimited strength is the reason that he became the God of Strength when taking over for Thor. However, there are several other characters who have that same potential, i.e. the potential for Unlimited Strength. Apocalypse has potentially unlimited strength, Gladiator has potentially unlimited strength, Blue Marvel has potentially unlimited strength, anyone possessing the Power Gem has potentially unlimited strength(I believe The Hood currently has it), just to mention a few. When WWH got into a pure slugfest with Sentry(a character that most definitely does Not have unlimited, or even Potentially unlimited, strength) they wore each other down and Both of them reverted to their normal human form. That means WWH does not have Unlimited strength, he simply has the same Potential for it as any other incarnation of Hulk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Artemis Entreri Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 WWH, is a vastly overrated character, simply because he has been stated as being the most powerful incarnation of Hulk. What people forget is, that WWH is the strongest incarnation at Base level, every incarnation of Hulk has the same potential, i.e. unlimited strength. The potential for Unlimited strength is the reason that he became the God of Strength when taking over for Thor. However, there are several other characters who have that same potential, i.e. the potential for Unlimited Strength. Apocalypse has potentially unlimited strength, Gladiator has potentially unlimited strength, Blue Marvel has potentially unlimited strength, anyone possessing the Power Gem has potentially unlimited strength(I believe The Hood currently has it), just to mention a few. When WWH got into a pure slugfest with Sentry(a character that most definitely does Not have unlimited, or even Potentially unlimited, strength) they wore each other down and Both of them reverted to their normal human form. That means WWH does not have Unlimited strength, he simply has the same Potential for it as any other incarnation of Hulk. I really want to correct you on the Sentry WWHulk fight, but frankly I'm so tired of repeating myself on the issue(and no one listens) that I won't. But on the other things you stated, you are correct. I agree wholeheartedly! But I must also go back to Marvel's writers stating as a fact that Hulk(in general) was the strongest character in the Marvel U. And DC also admitted Hulk was superior to Superman in strength, but they held on to the belief of Supermans other powers edging him in for the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 I really want to correct you on the Sentry WWHulk fight, but frankly I'm so tired of repeating myself on the issue(and no one listens) that I won't. But on the other things you stated, you are correct. I agree wholeheartedly! But I must also go back to Marvel's writers stating as a fact that Hulk(in general) was the strongest character in the Marvel U. And DC also admitted Hulk was superior to Superman in strength, but they held on to the belief of Supermans other powers edging him in for the win. Hulk has been effortlessly slapped aside by Thanos and an enraged Hulk has been physically restrained by Apocalypse. Marvel's writers say that half a dozen characters are "the most powerful". We currently have at least 4 or 5 "most powerful mutant alive" Just like with the others, the statement that Hulk is "the strongest character in the Marvel U" is hyperbole. As for Hulk being physically stronger than Superman. Potentially, yes. On an average, no. Hulk(in any incarnation) has no feats of strength that Superman has not easily topped. And I know that WWH transformed back to Hulk again a few seconds after the fight with Sentry, but the fact is that they both reverted to their human forms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Artemis Entreri Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Hulk has been effortlessly slapped aside by Thanos and an enraged Hulk has been physically restrained by Apocalypse. Marvel's writers say that half a dozen characters are "the most powerful". We currently have at least 4 or 5 "most powerful mutant alive" Just like with the others, the statement that Hulk is "the strongest character in the Marvel U" is hyperbole. As for Hulk being physically stronger than Superman. Potentially, yes. On an average, no. Hulk(in any incarnation) has no feats of strength that Superman has not easily topped. And I know that WWH transformed back to Hulk again a few seconds after the fight with Sentry, but the fact is that they both reverted to their human forms. Again I agree with most of your statements(except the Sentry reference... I'll go there another time). But Hyperbole? Not hardly. Hulk has alway been marvels strongest character in terms of pure strength. It's the only power he has really. To take that ability of being the "Strongest" from him would destroy him a plausible character. Yes, he's lost and others have strength feats comparible to his, but that does not discount the fact that Hulk can do virtually any and all Strength feats in the comics. And to cement this fact the creators and writers at Marvel gave Hulk a ex deus machina... "The madder Hulk gets... the Stronger Hulk gets..." basically saying that if he can't lift it now... just wait! In turn if Superman never was exposed to the yellow sun of earth would he still be Superman. No, the writer wrote the character into his abilities.... Same with Hulk, it's not hyperbole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Bruce Banner stated Skaar as well could kill World War Hulk. By the way why do people separate World War Hulk from World Breaker Hulk ? There the same...... Don't people know that World Breaker is what Hulk is called in the comics. LOL World War Hulk is just the name of the comic. I just thought I would mention it because alot of people seem to act like there differentwhen he is brought up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Artemis Entreri Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Bruce Banner stated Skaar as well could kill World War Hulk. By the way why do people separate World War Hulk from World Breaker Hulk ? There the same...... Don't people know that World Breaker is what Hulk is called in the comics. LOL World War Hulk is just the name of the comic. I just thought I would mention it because alot of people seem to act like there differentwhen he is brought up. Yeah but when people talk of the World Breaker Hulk, they are speaking of the evolution WW Hulk made after his fight with Sentry. Meik, along with Rick's death, brought out a new incarnation of the Hulk people call the World Breaker. Essentially an even stronger version of WW Hulk. Personally, I don't believe the World Breaker Hulk evolution came after the Sentry fight but during, as I eluded to Sirmethos. My theory is that while Hulk battled, (now this is an important fact...) his "best friend" Sentry, he evolved into World Breaker forcing Sentry to revert back into Reynolds. Being best friends, and with the fact that WW Hulk could revert back to Bruce whenever he so chose (As seen with Caiera. And he also did it to fool Dr, Strange breaking his hands,) he turned back to Bruce in order not to hit Reynolds as Hulk. Sentry begged Hulk to stop him. The power consumed him and made him crazy. Still the fight was soooo intense as to make Hulk level up. So with that said, when Meik exposed his treachery Bruce revert back to the new Hulk... World Breaker Hulk and began to shake the eastern seaboard with but a small step! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Falcon Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 I've got a character that fights and defeats WWHulk without to much trouble at all. Adult Superboy-Prime and Monarch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Artemis Entreri Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Facepalm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Yeah but when people talk of the World Breaker Hulk, they are speaking of the evolution WW Hulk made after his fight with Sentry. Meik, along with Rick's death, brought out a new incarnation of the Hulk people call the World Breaker. Essentially an even stronger version of WW Hulk. Personally, I don't believe the World Breaker Hulk evolution came after the Sentry fight but during, as I eluded to Sirmethos. My theory is that while Hulk battled, (now this is an important fact...) his "best friend" Sentry, he evolved into World Breaker forcing Sentry to revert back into Reynolds. Being best friends, and with the fact that WW Hulk could revert back to Bruce whenever he so chose (As seen with Caiera. And he also did it to fool Dr, Strange breaking his hands,) he turned back to Bruce in order not to hit Reynolds as Hulk. Sentry begged Hulk to stop him. The power consumed him and made him crazy. Still the fight was soooo intense as to make Hulk level up. So with that said, when Meik exposed his treachery Bruce revert back to the new Hulk... World Breaker Hulk and began to shake the eastern seaboard with but a small step! I looked up World Breaker on Marvel and nothing came up. I never got before why people did that so thanks for explaining it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Falcon Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Facepalm!Either SBP or Monarch can do it. Both have shown Superior strength to anything ever shown by WWHulk. Yes in a pure brawl they could take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Either SBP or Monarch can do it. Both have shown Superior strength to anything ever shown by WWHulk. Yes in a pure brawl they could take him. True, Superboy-Prime is stated as being, physically, the most powerful being in the DC mainstream universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 True, Superboy-Prime is stated as being, physically, the most powerful being in the DC mainstream universe. I agree I mean damn how many Universes did his rampage in 52 for his perfect Earth go through? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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