Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 These two are normally fighting each other, how would they do working together? Here are there opponents. 1. Captain Atom & Major Force 2. Beta Ray Bill & Silver Surfer 3. Captain Marvel & Black Adam 4. WWHulk & Solomon Grundy (Superman level) 5. Thanos & Darkseid 6. Loki & Brainiac 7. SS3 Goku & SS3 Vegeta (Dark Prince stay away your fanboyism will be ignored) 8. Gladiator Kallark & Juggernaut 9. Namor & Aquaman (underwater) 10. Doomsday & Terrax How will they do? Add a team if you like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 They lose on team 2, team 8 and team 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 They lose on team 2, team 8 and team 7.What makes you say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 These two are normally fighting each other, how would they do working together? Here are there opponents. 1. Captain Atom & Major Force 2. Beta Ray Bill & Silver Surfer 3. Captain Marvel & Black Adam 4. WWHulk & Solomon Grundy (Superman level) 5. Thanos & Darkseid 6. Loki & Brainiac 7. SS3 Goku & SS3 Vegeta (Dark Prince stay away your fanboyism will be ignored) 8. Gladiator Kallark & Juggernaut 9. Namor & Aquaman (underwater) 10. Doomsday & Terrax How will they do? Add a team if you like since most of the teams would actually beat Superman and Thor, i'll just list the teams that would lose. WWH and Grundy Loki and Brainiac SS3 Goku and SS3 Vegeta Gladiator and Juggernaut Namor and Aquaman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Void Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 since most of the teams would actually beat Superman and Thor, i'll just list the teams that would lose. WWH and Grundy Loki and Brainiac SS3 Goku and SS3 Vegeta Gladiator and Juggernaut Namor and Aquaman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 What makes you say that?SSJ3 is too much for them. I could actually see Goku and Vegeta beating them at SSJ2. They're faster, more powerful when it comes to energy and far better hand to hand fighters. Thor and Superman might be stronger, but that won't mean anything when they can't lay a hand on Goku and Vegeta. Besides, if they really get their asses handed to them (Which I doubt) Goku can Instant Transmission them away and they can fuse.Beta Ray Bill will be fairly useless with Silver Surfer. When Silver Surfer stopped holding back he beat Beta Ray Bill with relative ease, and Bill = Thor. In team 8, it depends. Is Gladiator 100% confident in himself? I think that puts him ahead of Superman by a bit. And is this current Juggernaut with the full Cyttorak powers, or is it the watered-down version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 since most of the teams would actually beat Superman and Thor, i'll just list the teams that would lose. WWH and Grundy Loki and Brainiac SS3 Goku and SS3 Vegeta Gladiator and Juggernaut Namor and Aquamanhmmm you are the second person to say team two would win I was under the impression that Beta Ray Bill = ThorThor = SupermanSilver Surfer = Superman & ThorI could be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 hmmm you are the second person to say team two would win I was under the impression that Beta Ray Bill = ThorThor = SupermanSilver Surfer = Superman & ThorI could be wrongIn speed and strength they're probably equal, but in energy manipulation Surfer outclasses them by a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Silver Surfer is thousands of times faster than Light Speed, though only in outer space. I've yet to seen Superman and Thor perform a feat similar to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 hmmm you are the second person to say team two would win I was under the impression that Beta Ray Bill = ThorThor = SupermanSilver Surfer = Superman & ThorI could be wrong it's more like this: Beta Ray Bill < ThorThor = Superman(or at least close)Silver Surfer > Thor + Superman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 it's more like this: Beta Ray Bill < ThorThor = Superman(or at least close)Silver Surfer > Thor + Superman If I had to do a list I'd do it like this 1. Superman+Thor > Captain Atom+ Major Force (very close though)Superman has faced off against Captain Atom and won before.Could Thor over load Major Force with his hammer? Granted Major Force could possibly blow up, but Thor and Supes have survived worst.On the other hand Captain Atom and Force could get the win here too 2. Agreed for the most part. Do you think Thor could beat Bill fast enough to aid Supes against Surfer? 3.. Superman+Thor > Captain Marvel (this was is insanely close)Superman has beaten Marvel before he can do it again, with Thor and Supes being even I think Thor takes this, couldn't Thor control the lightning that gives Marvel his power?Superman+Thor = Black AdamI've seen Superman and Black Adam go at it in some scans, they seem equal. Thor again equal to Supes I think he wins. 4. Agreed 5. Thanos+Darkseid > Superman+Thor...Yea I know they'd lose, just wanted to hear what people would say. 6. Agreed....What if Brainiac and Loki got some prep? 7. Superman+Thor = SS3 Goku+VegetaI thonk this fight could go either way. 8. Agreed 9. Agreed.....But could being under help them in anyway 10. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 If I had to do a list I'd do it like this 1. Superman+Thor > Captain Atom+ Major Force (very close though)Superman has faced off against Captain Atom and won before.Could Thor over load Major Force with his hammer? Granted Major Force could possibly blow up, but Thor and Supes have survived worst.On the other hand Captain Atom and Force could get the win here too 2. Agreed for the most part. Do you think Thor could beat Bill fast enough to aid Supes against Surfer? 3.. Superman+Thor > Captain Marvel (this was is insanely close)Superman has beaten Marvel before he can do it again, with Thor and Supes being even I think Thor takes this, couldn't Thor control the lightning that gives Marvel his power?Superman+Thor = Black AdamI've seen Superman and Black Adam go at it in some scans, they seem equal. Thor again equal to Supes I think he wins. 4. Agreed 5. Thanos+Darkseid > Superman+Thor...Yea I know they'd lose, just wanted to hear what people would say. 6. Agreed....What if Brainiac and Loki got some prep? 7. Superman+Thor = SS3 Goku+VegetaI thonk this fight could go either way. 8. Agreed 9. Agreed.....But could being under help them in anyway 10. Agreed 1. Superman has faced Captain Atom in the comics and won, yes. but unlike the comics, here Superman does not have the advantage of being the 'hero of the comic', nor is Captain Atom disadvantaged by fighting Against the 'hero of the comic', when it comes down to a matter of pure power vs. power, skill vs. skill. Superman doesn't stand a chance against Captain Atom or Major Force, either of them could kill both Superman and Thor at the same time, in a matter of seconds. 2. not a chance, Silver Surfer is so far superior, that he'll have finished Superman off long before Thor finishes with Beta Ray. 3. pretty much the same deal as nr. 1. though not as extreme. Captain Marvel is equal to Superman in terms of physical abilities. and on top of that he is one of the most powerful sorcerers in the DC universe. with no 'comics mechanics', Superman loses that fight any day of the week. Black Adam can not be injured by physical means. he fought against Superboy-Prime, and SBP was completely incapable of hurting him(and vice versa). Black Adam also took a punch from Superman(that superman stated would have pulverized a moon) directly in the back without even flinching. on top of that, Adam has 5000 years of experience and is an even more powerful and skilled sorcerer than Captain Marvel. 7. SS3 Goku/Vegeta is physically Stronger than Thor/Superman. however, Thor/Superman are so much faster that the Saiyans will never land a hit. they are both capable of Moving and Reacting at far beyond the speed of light. the Saiyans... not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 3. pretty much the same deal as nr. 1. though not as extreme. Captain Marvel is equal to Superman in terms of physical abilities. and on top of that he is one of the most powerful sorcerers in the DC universe. with no 'comics mechanics', Superman loses that fight any day of the week. Black Adam can not be injured by physical means. he fought against Superboy-Prime, and SBP was completely incapable of hurting him(and vice versa). Black Adam also took a punch from Superman(that superman stated would have pulverized a moon) directly in the back without even flinching. on top of that, Adam has 5000 years of experience and is an even more powerful and skilled sorcerer than Captain Marvel. 7. SS3 Goku/Vegeta is physically Stronger than Thor/Superman. however, Thor/Superman are so much faster that the Saiyans will never land a hit. they are both capable of Moving and Reacting at far beyond the speed of light. the Saiyans... not so much. 3. The punch you are referring to is thishttp://img24.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=lo...vssuperman9.jpghttp://img43.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=lo...ssuperman10.jpg Superman stops himself, Adam turned his back knowing Supes would not hit him 7. At that level of SS they are easily at light speed also Goku's Instant Transmission is fater then the speed of light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 3. The punch you are referring to is thishttp://img24.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=lo...vssuperman9.jpghttp://img43.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=lo...ssuperman10.jpg Superman stops himself, Adam turned his back knowing Supes would not hit him 7. At that level of SS they are easily at light speed also Goku's Instant Transmission is fater then the speed of light 3. my mistake. well, my memory's mistake his feat of fighting Superboy-Prime, with SBP being incapable of hurting him still stands though. 7. no, the only DBZ character who is FTL is Vegito(in canon <.<), and that's only at SS2 and higher. and while you're right about Instant Transmission being faster, being able to teleport doesn't help if you can't React fast enough to hit your opponent once you've teleported. like this *Goku IT's behind Superman* *Goku swings at Superman* -Superman hearing the displacement of air when Goku appears, turns around and sees him swinging, moving in slow motion- -Superman moves out of the way(possibly after hitting Goku a few times in the face)- Jaeger Panzer and Skirmisher are much better at explaining exactly WHY the dbz chars are not FTL, than i am. they were the once that convinced me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 3. my mistake. well, my memory's mistake his feat of fighting Superboy-Prime, with SBP being incapable of hurting him still stands though. 7. no, the only DBZ character who is FTL is Vegito(in canon <.<), and that's only at SS2 and higher. and while you're right about Instant Transmission being faster, being able to teleport doesn't help if you can't React fast enough to hit your opponent once you've teleported. like this *Goku IT's behind Superman* *Goku swings at Superman* -Superman hearing the displacement of air when Goku appears, turns around and sees him swinging, moving in slow motion- -Superman moves out of the way(possibly after hitting Goku a few times in the face)- Jaeger Panzer and Skirmisher are much better at explaining exactly WHY the dbz chars are not FTL, than i am. they were the once that convinced me. Yea the SBP feat still stands I believe Akira said they were light speed, I'm going to look this up, don't forget Goku has super reflexes too, he can dodge Supes with the IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Yea the SBP feat still stands I believe Akira said they were light speed, I'm going to look this up, don't forget Goku has super reflexes too, he can dodge Supes with the IT there is a difference between Super reflexes, and FTL reflexes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Gotenks flew around the world 9 times in 20 seconds so let us do math the world is roughly 25,000 miles around so he traveled the distance of 225,000 miles (25,000 x 9 = 225,00)so he is moving at 11,250 miles per second (225,000/20 =11,250)The speed of light is 186,000 miles per second so he isn't moving the speed of lightMaybe they aren't FTL, perhaps they are Hypersonic at bestWouldn't Goku's IT take care of the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Does that translate into fighting? I think it does they are masters of their techniques, they don't always fly that fast cause it takes ki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 That interview about the fighters being FTL by DBZ's end, which was so supposedly stated by Akira Toriyama, is false. It was a forgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 That interview about the fighters being FTL by DBZ's end, which was so supposedly stated by Akira Toriyama, is false. It was a forgery.I think I heard about that too....was my conversion right though?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I think I heard about that too....was my conversion right though??If he was moving that fast in atmosphere, the planet would have ruptured from the immense speed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen C Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 so he is moving at 11,250 miles per second (225,000/20 =11,250)The speed of light is 1079 miles per secondThe speed of light is approximately 186,000 miles per second. Where did you get your figures from? EDIT: Panzer, we have to ignore real world physics when it comes to things like that - The Flash would realistically destroy everything he goes near at his speed, but we ignore it as he's clearly that fast. The calcs were still wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 The speed of light is approximately 186,000 miles per second. Where did you get your figures from?Crap read it wrong I'll edit that post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 The speed of light is approximately 186,000 miles per second. Where did you get your figures from? EDIT: Panzer, we have to ignore real world physics when it comes to things like that - The Flash would realistically destroy everything he goes near at his speed, but we ignore it as he's clearly that fast. The calcs were still wrong though.I keep forgetting this. @ Hayes: That figure you came out with is about .58% the speed of light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I keep forgetting this. @ Hayes: That figure you came out with is about .58% the speed of light.Yea I fudged up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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