Guest xman4life Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 1. Captain Atom & Major Force. Ok well I think it could be a tie because thor and supes have the strength but atom and force has the power 2. Beta Ray Bill & Silver Surfer. Silver surfer wins this alone. 3. Captain Marvel & Black Adam. Thor and supes can win on the off chance(this is just my idea) but thor is a god and he can make it so the lightning would never hit him or him him for him to change back. 4. WWHulk & Solomon Grundy (Superman level) um I'm going to go with supes and thor. Solomon grundy intelligence could be the factor in this one 5. Thanos & Darkseid . No contest this team wins 6. Loki & Brainiac. This team might win because loki can just create kryptonite and that be it for them. 7. SS3 Goku & SS3 Vegeta (Dark Prince stay away your fanboyism will be ignored) I'm confident thos and supes could win this 8. Gladiator Kallark & Juggernaut. Gladiator is the only threat really. Thor could beat juggernaut. Himself 9. Namor & Aquaman (underwater) lol good one but I'm going to go with supes and thor 10. Doomsday & Terrax. Long and good fight but supes and thor. In a lot of these fights people don't fact that thor has a lot of other powers like teleporting, energy absorbtion, hell even some for of time travel, weather manipulation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest God-Speed_88 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 since most of the teams would actually beat Superman and Thor, i'll just list the teams that would lose. WWH and Grundy Loki and Brainiac SS3 Goku and SS3 Vegeta Gladiator and Juggernaut Namor and Aquaman Captain Atom and Major Force would lose as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Captain Atom and Major Force would lose as well. no, they really wouldn't. each of them is powerful enough to casually destroy the universe with a thought. Superman and Thor has nothing that can compete with that level of power, even if you stack their power together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darksaiyajin345 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 what versions of thor and superman are they fighting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest God-Speed_88 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 no, they really wouldn't. each of them is powerful enough to casually destroy the universe with a thought. Superman and Thor has nothing that can compete with that level of power, even if you stack their power together. I honestly believe you don't read comics. All your examples are taken directly from internet sources. That statement is a joke. Major Force was taken out by Kyle Rayner, Superman shouldn't have a problem with him. Whilst Thor holds off/possible defeats Atom by himself. I know you will come back with this "mental block" patter that really doesn't mean anything. You base a fight on a characters abilities/feats. Atom did this once, WAY back. He has never shown to come close to that sort of power again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Major Force could lose to either Superman or Thor and true Kyle did beat him. Now Captain Atom if people were reading comics currently meaning Justice League Generations Lost would see he is not at the power that he use to be. Now I could be wrong but I am sure he is not at that vast power like before. Someone will correct me if I am wrong. Now Superman can beat Atom and proved it when he beat Atom to the point where he damaged Atom's suit in the Superman/Batman comic. Once that happens Atom will fly off into space so he can explode and then it will take him a good while before he comes back. So yes Superman/thor can beat that team. I am a DBZ fan and I could tell you this: SS3 Goku & SS3 Vegeta would lose to Superman and Thor for this reason. There energy attacks like a Final Flash or kamahamha won't be enough to put down Superman or Thor. Superman has took Darkseid's omega beams more then once and has not been put down. They strength, speed, stamina, and more are not on a Superman level. People just don't get that Superman can go forever in a fight and has no limit to his power because of the sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I honestly believe you don't read comics. All your examples are taken directly from internet sources. That statement is a joke. Major Force was taken out by Kyle Rayner, Superman shouldn't have a problem with him. Whilst Thor holds off/possible defeats Atom by himself. I know you will come back with this "mental block" patter that really doesn't mean anything. You base a fight on a characters abilities/feats. Atom did this once, WAY back. He has never shown to come close to that sort of power again. i base a fight on. 1. Powers and SKills. if those are too even to make a decision then. 2. Feats. the problem with using "X beat Y in the comics" as an argument either way, is that in comics everyone is either at an advantage or a disadvantage. in the fights we have here on cbub, no one has the disadvantage of being the 'villain', or the advantage of being the 'hero'. no one is limited because using their full powers would "make the comics boring", or any other similar limitations. yes, Captain Atom has only performed that particular feat once, in the comics, and Yes, it has been stated that since then he 'mentally limits himself', that's pretty much just code for "we made him too powerful to be interesting in stories". but the fact is, he Is that powerful. do you honestly think that Superman could take down a full powered Galactus , even with some help? by your logic he should be able to, after all, he took down Imperiex-Prime with a little help from Darkseid and Steel(they opened a temporal boomtube). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest God-Speed_88 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 i base a fight on. 1. Powers and SKills. if those are too even to make a decision then. 2. Feats. the problem with using "X beat Y in the comics" as an argument either way, is that in comics everyone is either at an advantage or a disadvantage. in the fights we have here on cbub, no one has the disadvantage of being the 'villain', or the advantage of being the 'hero'. no one is limited because using their full powers would "make the comics boring", or any other similar limitations. yes, Captain Atom has only performed that particular feat once, in the comics, and Yes, it has been stated that since then he 'mentally limits himself', that's pretty much just code for "we made him too powerful to be interesting in stories". but the fact is, he Is that powerful. do you honestly think that Superman could take down a full powered Galactus , even with some help? by your logic he should be able to, after all, he took down Imperiex-Prime with a little help from Darkseid and Steel(they opened a temporal boomtube). WRONG WRONG WRONG The Imperiex-Prime fight wasn't Superman defeating him with a little help. It was countless other heroes/villains and excellent tactics. Don't try and twist things, people can use feats to explain why their chosen character should win. Cap Atom DIDN'T even create a whole other universe. Someone (can't remember his name) showed him what he is capable of doing. Is it even cannon? If so, it still doesn't hide the fact that he has NEVER shown ever close to that power. The Monarch 52 Cap Atoms and Major forces couldn't defeat Superboy-Prime. Since he has never used that power in a fight then it is mute to use it here. That is almost as bad as Marvel fans saying "Spiderman said Sentry beat Galactus, therefore everyone under his level would be easily defeated." Stop talking nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 WRONG WRONG WRONG The Imperiex-Prime fight wasn't Superman defeating him with a little help. It was countless other heroes/villains and excellent tactics. Don't try and twist things, people can use feats to explain why their chosen character should win. Cap Atom DIDN'T even create a whole other universe. Someone (can't remember his name) showed him what he is capable of doing. Is it even cannon? If so, it still doesn't hide the fact that he has NEVER shown ever close to that power. The Monarch 52 Cap Atoms and Major forces couldn't defeat Superboy-Prime. Since he has never used that power in a fight then it is mute to use it here. That is almost as bad as Marvel fans saying "Spiderman said Sentry beat Galactus, therefore everyone under his level would be easily defeated." Stop talking nonsense. actually, yes. Captain Atom Did Create and shortly after Destroy a universe. while i'm not usually a fan of using scans, it seems that i'm needing some solid proof, so here you go: http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red...atom54163ui.jpg http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red...atom54182hn.jpg http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red...atom54195mk.jpg http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red...atom54207wq.jpg Captain Atom creating his own universe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 We know Atom created a Universe which seems to be the only feat people use when it comesto him. Right now Atom is not at that power level in Generation Lost so he loses along with Major. Superman beat him already however I don't remember how powerful he was then. Anyways it won't matter because Atom once his suit is damaged just like when he absorbs too much has to leave the fight. Either way he loses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest God-Speed_88 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 actually, yes. Captain Atom Did Create and shortly after Destroy a universe. while i'm not usually a fan of using scans, it seems that i'm needing some solid proof, so here you go: http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red...atom54163ui.jpg http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red...atom54182hn.jpg http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red...atom54195mk.jpg http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red...atom54207wq.jpg Captain Atom creating his own universe I love how you ignored every other correct point I made. This is fanboyism or blind stupidity, disappointed in you Sirmethos . It was shown to him what he was capable of DECADES ago. He has since never shown nor has anyone said that Cap is capable of this. What about my Monarch point? Interesting how you failed to mention that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 We know Atom created a Universe oh really? Cap Atom DIDN'T even create a whole other universe. Right now Atom is not at that power level in Generation Lost so he loses along with Major. Superman beat him already however I don't remember how powerful he was then. Anyways it won't matter because Atom once his suit is damaged just like when he absorbs too much has to leave the fight. Either way he loses. as i've pointed out several times before, the Only reason he has not used that level of power since, is because he mentally limits himself, this has been stated directly by DC. he still has that level of power, but he doesn't use it. just like Magneto, and countless other characters that were created too powerful to be interesting in comics, almost never uses more than an extremely small percentage of their powers. however, just like Magneto, Apocalypse, X-Man, Exodus, and the countless other characters who are obscenely powerful, but pretty much never uses anything Close to their full power, Captain Atom Is still that powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I love how you ignored every other correct point I made. This is fanboyism or blind stupidity, disappointed in you Sirmethos . It was shown to him what he was capable of DECADES ago. He has since never shown nor has anyone said that Cap is capable of this. What about my Monarch point? Interesting how you failed to mention that.I'm pretty sure Atom said he holds back, that he mentally limits his power like sirmethos said, I think Atom is still capable he chooses not to use all of his power, like Supes doesn't choose to one hit people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I love how you ignored every other correct point I made. This is fanboyism or blind stupidity, disappointed in you Sirmethos . It was shown to him what he was capable of DECADES ago. He has since never shown nor has anyone said that Cap is capable of this. What about my Monarch point? Interesting how you failed to mention that. why would i mention something that is painfully obvious? as i've mentioned several times in comics we have 'Comics Mechanics', which means that there is Always someone who is at an advantage, and others who are at a Disadvantage. the 'hero' of the comic advantage, which means that the hero always wins. he might get temporarily beaten down once or twice, but sooner or later, he wins. the 'villain' of the comic Disadvantage, the opposite of the 'hero' advantage the 'important to the plot' Character sheild, similar to the 'hero' advantage. someone important to the plot will generally win, and prove how extremely powerful they are, until they get beaten in the end. until the Plot is finished, the characters protected by this, will not die. <- Superboy-Prime is an excellent example of this the 'too powerful to be interesting' disadvantage, a character like Magneto, Apocalyse, Captain Atom, etc. that was created with powers that make them so powerful that using their full powers would end the story in 3 pictures, are generally 'limited' in some way. Captain Atom mentally limits himself, Magneto has his inner struggle, Strong Guy has a weak heart, etc. etc. etc. so, with Monarch and Superboy-Prime, we had two Obscenely powerful characters(both limited because they were too powerful to make for an interesting story, if they were at full power), and one of them is protected by 'important to the plot' Character shield. who do You think wins? the entire point of the plot was to show how powerful Superboy-Prime was, climaxing at the Retcon punch, before he was stripped of his powers and put aside for later use. as for "I love how you ignored every other correct point I made." if you can point out which 'correct points' you actually made, i'll be more than happy to address them. Imperiex Prime was defeated by Darkseid and Steel opening a Temporal Boomtube, and Superman pushing Warworld through the boomtube, sending Imperiex(and brainiac) back to the Big Bang, everything before that was a dramatic delay to show how powerful Imperiex and the others actually were, until they came up with their plan to defeat him. and yes, people can use Feats, as long as they keep in mind that these fights don't actually take place in the comics, and thus don't fall under the rules of the comics(see the list above, among others). in these fights, Spider-Man is not going to suddenly lift 30 or more tons because the story needs him to do so, Thor is not going to be limited to 100 tons strength, just because it would be boring if he uses his full strength, etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 These two are normally fighting each other, how would they do working together? Here are there opponents. 1. Captain Atom & Major Force Superman and Thor would barely win2. Beta Ray Bill & Silver Surfer I think Thor would own this horse guy lol and Superman might be able to hold off Surfer long enough to have Thor jump in, Everyone here can survive in space so it's pretty even 6/10 to Thor and Superman 3. Captain Marvel & Black Adam Thor would lose and so would Superman 4. WWHulk & Solomon Grundy (Superman level) These guys would win if Thor and Superman couldn't fly 5. Thanos & Darkseid No one beats Thanos if he has a plan, and to top it off you have Darkseid? game over 6. Loki & Brainiac Superman and Thor wins 7. SS3 Goku & SS3 Vegeta (Dark Prince stay away your fanboyism will be ignored) Personally I think Goku can beat Superman anyday of the week, Vegeta would lose to Thor as he is only SSJ2, Goku might not beat both of these guys up. 6/10 to Thor and Supes 8. Gladiator Kallark & Juggernaut Juggernaut is a non factor and neither is Gladiator 9. Namor & Aquaman (underwater) Superman would never admit this, but Aquaman is a weak ass, Namor on the other hand would prob take out Thor in the watr, tough call. 10. Doomsday & Terrax Terrax vs Sentry anyone? How will they do? Add a team if you like my team to beat these guys would be Vulcan and Adam Warlock, I like this team up(i made a fight like this recently.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 how is Aquaman a weakass? he's just as powerful as Namor, if not more so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 No Aquaman is not on Namor's level. Namor has battled some heavyweights in Marvel like the original Human Torch ( Not Johnny Storm the first one), Fantastic Four, the X-Men, Hulk, and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 No Aquaman is not on Namor's level. Namor has battled some heavyweights in Marvel like the original Human Torch ( Not Johnny Storm the first one), Fantastic Four, the X-Men, Hulk, and more. they have the same powers: Strength, Speed, Durability, Telepathy, etc. the only real difference in Which powers they have, is that Namor can fly, which Aquaman can not, and Aquaman has echo-location, while Namor does not. Strength: Namor has some pretty awesome feats, but none that Aquaman can't match. both have on several occasions lifted several thousand tons. Speed: Namor is fast, being able to swim at 75 knots, but Aquaman is a LOT faster, he's been seen more than once, swimming at speeds close to 20 thousand knots. Durability: about even, Namor has taken blows from people like Hulk, and energy blasts from some pretty hardcore people. while Aquaman has taken blows from people like Triton(an olympian god) and later on, Triton again, this time with the added powers of Poseidon, as well as a mind-controlled Superman. and taken energy blasts from people like Amazo(copying Supermans heat vision). as i said, Aquaman is easily Namor's equal. if he isn't more powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Maybe its just that Aquaman is rarely shown and given a chance to show what he can do. I know you have told me he has taken shots but he has never actually fought powerful foes like Namor has. That is what I mean. I know he is very powerful but we don't know if he could even hang with someone like a Hulk, Original Human Torch, and more like Namor has. That is my problem with him maybe he can but DC doesn't show it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Maybe its just that Aquaman is rarely shown and given a chance to show what he can do. I know you have told me he has taken shots but he has never actually fought powerful foes like Namor has. That is what I mean. I know he is very powerful but we don't know if he could even hang with someone like a Hulk, Original Human Torch, and more like Namor has. That is my problem with him maybe he can but DC doesn't show it. he held his own against a mindcontrolled Superman for quite a while, and he knocked down Martian Manhunter with a single punch. he's fought some extremely powerful characters, like Triton with the added powers of Poseidon, or the Millenium Giants. he also held his own against Lobo for a while, after losing his hand(before getting the Harpoon). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Maybe its just that Aquaman is rarely shown and given a chance to show what he can do. I know you have told me he has taken shots but he has never actually fought powerful foes like Namor has. That is what I mean. I know he is very powerful but we don't know if he could even hang with someone like a Hulk, Original Human Torch, and more like Namor has. That is my problem with him maybe he can but DC doesn't show it.Aquaman is definetly under rated, people make him out to be lame but he isnt that bad of a chracter, I wouldnt have put him in this if I felt he'd easily get crushed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest God-Speed_88 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 why would i mention something that is painfully obvious? as i've mentioned several times in comics we have 'Comics Mechanics', which means that there is Always someone who is at an advantage, and others who are at a Disadvantage. the 'hero' of the comic advantage, which means that the hero always wins. he might get temporarily beaten down once or twice, but sooner or later, he wins. the 'villain' of the comic Disadvantage, the opposite of the 'hero' advantage the 'important to the plot' Character sheild, similar to the 'hero' advantage. someone important to the plot will generally win, and prove how extremely powerful they are, until they get beaten in the end. until the Plot is finished, the characters protected by this, will not die. <- Superboy-Prime is an excellent example of this the 'too powerful to be interesting' disadvantage, a character like Magneto, Apocalyse, Captain Atom, etc. that was created with powers that make them so powerful that using their full powers would end the story in 3 pictures, are generally 'limited' in some way. Captain Atom mentally limits himself, Magneto has his inner struggle, Strong Guy has a weak heart, etc. etc. etc. so, with Monarch and Superboy-Prime, we had two Obscenely powerful characters(both limited because they were too powerful to make for an interesting story, if they were at full power), and one of them is protected by 'important to the plot' Character shield. who do You think wins? the entire point of the plot was to show how powerful Superboy-Prime was, climaxing at the Retcon punch, before he was stripped of his powers and put aside for later use. as for "I love how you ignored every other correct point I made." if you can point out which 'correct points' you actually made, i'll be more than happy to address them. Imperiex Prime was defeated by Darkseid and Steel opening a Temporal Boomtube, and Superman pushing Warworld through the boomtube, sending Imperiex(and brainiac) back to the Big Bang, everything before that was a dramatic delay to show how powerful Imperiex and the others actually were, until they came up with their plan to defeat him. and yes, people can use Feats, as long as they keep in mind that these fights don't actually take place in the comics, and thus don't fall under the rules of the comics(see the list above, among others). in these fights, Spider-Man is not going to suddenly lift 30 or more tons because the story needs him to do so, Thor is not going to be limited to 100 tons strength, just because it would be boring if he uses his full strength, etc. etc. All I'm saying is Atom has never shown anything near that level of power. It's ridiculous to use it in an argument, because by that theory he could defeat Galactus on a whim. Monarch was bust open, surely if one Cap can will a universe, the power of 52 would be indestructible. Have you read Generation Lost? He isn't exactly that powerful. To be honest I would like to read the whole issue, do you have the name please? Or did you just pull the scan from the internet? You have no support to say that Cap has used that level (or anything close) of power in a fight. If Cap was that strong why didn't he just will away Parallax, Imperiex, Doomsday or any other threat. Also how could Kyle Rayner kill Major Force. Your scan is null void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 All I'm saying is Atom has never shown anything near that level of power. It's ridiculous to use it in an argument, because by that theory he could defeat Galactus on a whim. Monarch was bust open, surely if one Cap can will a universe, the power of 52 would be indestructible. Have you read Generation Lost? He isn't exactly that powerful. To be honest I would like to read the whole issue, do you have the name please? Or did you just pull the scan from the internet? You have no support to say that Cap has used that level (or anything close) of power in a fight. If Cap was that strong why didn't he just will away Parallax, Imperiex, Doomsday or any other threat. Also how could Kyle Rayner kill Major Force. Your scan is null void. when have i ever said, that he has used that power level in a fight? quite the contrary, i have specifically said that he has not used that level of power, because he mentally limits himself(directly stated by DC), due to Comics Mechanics. ie. "the 'too powerful to be interesting' disadvantage". as for Monarch being busted open, if you've actually read the comic with his fight against Superboy-Prime, even SBP, the(physically) most powerful being in the DC universe, wasn't able to damage him, until Monarch himself had damaged his own armor first. also, how is my scan "null void" ? it Directly disproved a statement you made: Cap Atom DIDN'T even create a whole other universe. something you seem to have conveniently forgotten or ignored. "why didn't he will away Parallax, Imperiex, Doomsday or any other threat?" "also how could Kyle kill Major Force." are you purposely ignoring everything i post? i'll repeat it then, and try to explain it for the slow readers: in comics we have 'Comics Mechanics', which means that there is Always someone who is at an advantage, and others who are at a Disadvantage. the 'hero' of the comic advantage, which means that the hero always wins. he might get temporarily beaten down once or twice, but sooner or later, he wins. the 'villain' of the comic Disadvantage, the opposite of the 'hero' advantage the 'important to the plot' Character sheild, similar to the 'hero' advantage. someone important to the plot will generally win, and prove how extremely powerful they are, until they get beaten in the end. until the Plot is finished, the characters protected by this, will not die. <- Superboy-Prime is an excellent example of this the 'too powerful to be interesting' disadvantage, a character like Magneto, Apocalyse, Captain Atom, etc. that was created with powers that make them so powerful that using their full powers would end the story in 3 pictures, are generally 'limited' in some way. Captain Atom mentally limits himself, Magneto has his inner struggle, Strong Guy has a weak heart, etc. etc. etc. when you pick up a comic, let's for the sake of example say it's a Spider-Man comic, then Spider-Man will win whatever fight he gets into, because he has "the 'hero' of the comic advantage", in the same comic, you have Spider-Man fighting against Venon, an opponent who is superior to Spider-Man in pretty much every way. in that comic, Venom Will lose, because he has "the 'villain' of the comic Disadvantage". it doesn't matter that Venom is superior to Spider-Man, and that he would, in a realistic fight, wipe the floor with him. simply because Spider-Man is the hero, and Venom is the villain. now, let's take another example: let's say you pick up another comic, this time, for the sake of the example, it's a Superman comic with Superman fighting Darkseid. now, aside from the advantage and disadvantage mentioned in the last example, why does Darkseid not use some of his Many stated powers, to simply destroy Superman? Darkseid is a powerful Telepath, he could easily destroy Supermans mind with a single thought, or make him a mindless slave, but why doesn't he do that? Darkseid also has the power to revert the evolutioniary patterns of an organism, which means, in simple terms, that with a single thought, he could transform Superman into a single-cell microbe. but why doesn't he do that? the answer, is the same as the answer to your rather inane questions. both Darkseid, Captain Atom, Major Force, and any other character even close to those levels of power, are restrained by "the 'too powerful to be interesting' disadvantage", which means, that they will never actually Use their full powers(or anything close to it) during a comic, simply because it would ruin the story, it would make things boring. no one wants to read a comic with just two pages, showing Captain Atom swoop in and destroy the villain with a single thought, they want to see action packed battles, they want to see the hero struggle. they Don't want to see the hero effortlessly take care of all the problems within the first page of the comic. however, despite all these things, Darkseid Does have Powerful psionic powers, and the power to revert the evolutionary process of organisms, he Does have the power to travel in time, and a whole list of other powers he pretty much never uses, just as Captain Atom Does have the power to create and destroy a universe. let me know if you're still having trouble comprehending the concept and i'll try to explain it in simpler terms and smaller words. 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Guest The Dark Prince Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Dude , heyesmiester, VEGETA NEVER GOES SSJ3!!!!! Only Goku and gotenks go ssj3 vegeta is limite to ssj2 (becuz ssj4 is non canon) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shellsbut Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 wow this never ends. you have some good matchups with a few really close calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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