Guest ricrery Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Your first point - They struggle to make ki blasts for dramatic effect, also they wouldnt use a planet busting attack if it meant blowing up the Earth if they missed. Look when Vegeta used the Final Flash, notice how he shot it off the Earth Your second point - Power level is relevant when you compare like he did. Vegeta had a power level 18,000 and blew Arlia with ease, and it didn't take long for him to charge the Galick Gun so it would be strong enought to blow up Earth. Frieza's base strength is 500,000 he blew Planet Vegeta with no real strain, so imagine what SS3 Goku could do. I imagine his Dragon Fist can blow up the Earth. What the hell are you trying to say here? Also, no, characters are consistently wounded and killed by blasts not even approaching planet busting, but I suppose you wouldn't want to mention that. Anyway, there's no point arguing with you. You've made up your mind and refuse to believe anything other than DBZ characters can effortlessly destroy planets and can tank such hits. Best to just ignore you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Yet - oh my God - other characters consistently do. And where does it state Manga > Anime? Anyway, if that is true, then DBZ characters are still in the planet-busting range, since Kid Buu is mentioned destroying hundreds of planets over a few years, but no mentions are made of him ever destroying galaxies. Yet that's an Anime scene, which never happens in the Manga, and is contradicted several times.I Edited My previous post. Oh and in regards to the question about Manga > Anime? The Manga is the source material. The Anime is derived from it, albeit with minor altercations, obviously. Actually, it was referenced by a flash back of Bardock. And what do you mean it was contradicted several times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ricrery Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Oh and in regards to the question about Manga > Anime? The Manga is the source material. The Anime is derived from it, albeit with minor altercations, obviously. Insufficient as proof that Manga overrides Anime. You will need to show an official canon system or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Planet buster hulk is just one up from ww hulk. Would beat the crap out of brolly. ww hulk had his neck snapped on purpose just to show them that he is not to be toyed with. He regens so fast it wouldnt matter what brolly does. full power hulk meaning beyond savage beyond ww hulk would KILL brolly. brollys best bet is to not go hand to hand with him because nothing good will come from that. hell at that level i dont think anyone wants to go toe to toe not even superboy prime or black adam. only monarch at that point would be able to put him down and i dont even know if that would be enough. hand to hand unstoppable!!!!!!!!!!!Please explain to me how WWH lands a hand on Broly considering Broly's speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Insufficient as proof that Manga overrides Anime. You will need to show an official canon system or something like that.http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Canon#Dragon_Ball_canon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Frieza mentions afterwards he could have annihilated Namek in one shot if he wished, and his feat of busting Planet Vegeta supports this... And I took a look at the "struggling" bit about Buu when he's charging his ten time buster ball, He was vibrating. Goku and Vegeta in the next few seconds were vibrating in the exact same manner. So unless Goku and Vegeta were struggling to take a shit or something, Buu wasn't struggling at all. Not only this, but in the manga, Buu creates the same exact ball in one panel. Again, the Manga trumps the Anime. And no struggling is seen here... Just in case you missed this. I saw no response to these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 What the hell are you trying to say here? Also, no, characters are consistently wounded and killed by blasts not even approaching planet busting, but I suppose you wouldn't want to mention that. Anyway, there's no point arguing with you. You've made up your mind and refuse to believe anything other than DBZ characters can effortlessly destroy planets and can tank such hits. Best to just ignore you.I never once stated my mind is made up, so don't assume. I made a valid point, now you are trying to not debate by saying to "ignore" me. The hell I am trying to say is that dramatic effect, well effects things. The reason every attack isn't planet busting, is because how is it enjoyable for the chracters to just blow up the planet and that be it. Obviously they are going to be hurt by less LOOKING powerful attacks, how would it be enjoyable if the hero wasn't being physically challenged? Just because a blast looks weak because it isn't huge, doesn't mean it's intensity isn't great. When Broly blew up the slave's planet he did it with a small energy attack. Granted Broly isn't canon but it is an example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ricrery Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Canon#Dragon_Ball_canon A wiki is not a source. I would like a real source for this canon system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ricrery Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I never once stated my mind is made up, so don't assume. I made a valid point, now you are trying to not debate by saying to "ignore" me. The hell I am trying to say is that dramatic effect, well effects things. The reason every attack isn't planet busting, is because how is it enjoyable for the chracters to just blow up the planet and that be it. Obviously they are going to be hurt by less LOOKING powerful attacks, how would it be enjoyable if the hero wasn't being physically challenged? Just because a blast looks weak because it isn't huge, doesn't mean it's intensity isn't great. When Broly blew up the slave's planet he did it with a small energy attack. Granted Broly isn't canon but it is an example Oh God, you haven't heard of suspension of disbelief or proof, have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Oh God, you haven't heard of suspension of disbelief or proof, have you?justification of making wrong points right? Who are you to say it is wrong? You are still not debating what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 A wiki is not a source. I would like a real source for this canon system.That wikia, quite frankly, is about as official as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 That wikia, quite frankly, is about as official as it gets.Wiki for me has provided more legit info rather then bogus, matter of fact I have never been misled by wiki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ricrery Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 justification of making wrong points right? Who are you to say it is wrong? You are still not debating what I said. You're stating that we must believe something that makes no sense in DBZverse, and it's based off no evidence either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesh Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 ricrery, I've heard a lot about you, I must say I'm not impressed. Dragonball is a closed epic, it has a beginning, middle and end. The story was detailed in the Manga, the source material. Bardock was added to the manga from his special his scialis canon. To the issue of ki blasts not destroying planets, the characters are skilled enough to be able to control the blast radius, you know what this does it prevents massive colateral from misses and makes the lasts more potent because the power is concentrated. i.e. Vegeta's Final Flash againt Cell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kainboa Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Okay, let us look at it from another angle. The power level of the various characters are know - FactWe know that the power level needed to destroy a planet - Fact (master Roshi destroyed the moon, and Frieza destroyed Namek)We know that the power level of the characters keep rising throughout the entire series - Fact Combine those facts and you can only come to one conclusion.During the later part of the series, everybody Should be throwing around planet busting attacks like confetti at a parade. Why don't they do that, because the writer doesn't want them to.Taken out of the comics, and removed from the writers control, their attacks are easily powerful enough to destroy the earth several times over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKA Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I would say that Broly wins this. Why? Speed. But you can't argue with cannon DBZ feats with anyone while you use Broly because Broly, infact, is NOT canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ricrery Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 That wikia, quite frankly, is about as official as it gets. That's not proof. I want a real source. Wikis are not real sources. ricrery, I've heard a lot about you, I must say I'm not impressed. Dragonball is a closed epic, it has a beginning, middle and end. The story was detailed in the Manga, the source material. Bardock was added to the manga from his special his scialis canon. To the issue of ki blasts not destroying planets, the characters are skilled enough to be able to control the blast radius, you know what this does it prevents massive colateral from misses and makes the lasts more potent because the power is concentrated. i.e. Vegeta's Final Flash againt Cell. More claims that have no actual evidence behind them. Okay, let us look at it from another angle. The power level of the various characters are know - FactWe know that the power level needed to destroy a planet - Fact (master Roshi destroyed the moon, and Frieza destroyed Namek)We know that the power level of the characters keep rising throughout the entire series - Fact Combine those facts and you can only come to one conclusion.During the later part of the series, everybody Should be throwing around planet busting attacks like confetti at a parade. Why don't they do that, because the writer doesn't want them to.Taken out of the comics, and removed from the writers control, their attacks are easily powerful enough to destroy the earth several times over. Holy Christ, does every DBZ fan here fail at basic reading comprehension? You seem to ignore what others say as well as breaking suspension of disbelief. There is no point in arguing with you, because your arguments will actually make me dumber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 You're stating that we must believe something that makes no sense in DBZverse, and it's based off no evidence either.When is any sense involved in DBZ, Marvel, or DC, it is imaginary for a reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKA Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Here is some feats from Broly. Broly destroys the North Galaxy. Broly effortlessly destroyed a planet in front of the little green people (To tired to think of their race's name.) In the movie, Goku is shown moving at light speed, Broly trumped his speed by a vast amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesh Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 That's not proof. I want a real source. Wikis are not real sources. More claims that have no actual evidence behind them. Holy Christ, does every DBZ fan here fail at basic reading comprehension? You seem to ignore what others say as well as breaking suspension of disbelief. There is no point in arguing with you, because your arguments will actually make me dumber.of you just seem to hate DBZ.You're thee the one who isn't listening we've provided ample proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKA Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 You just need to debate on his level. He has made points and refuses without proof. If you can't prove it, you might as well not argue with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 people arguing seem to be forgetting one thing. the 'setup' says that both characters are at "full power", ie. their highest possible power level. for both characters, that is Unlimited. thus, there can be no winner. Broly is way too fast for Hulk to ever lay a hand on him. Hulk's Durability and Regeneration are too high for any actual damage. Nothing Broly can throw at him will damage him for more than a fraction of a second, since his durability and regeneration is enhanced just as his strength is. at 'full power', it the fight can never be more than a stalemate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKA Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 people arguing seem to be forgetting one thing. the 'setup' says that both characters are at "full power", ie. their highest possible power level. for both characters, that is Unlimited. thus, there can be no winner. Broly is way too fast for Hulk to ever lay a hand on him. Hulk's Durability and Regeneration are too high for any actual damage. Nothing Broly can throw at him will damage him for more than a fraction of a second, since his durability and regeneration is enhanced just as his strength is. at 'full power', it the fight can never be more than a stalemate. I already said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xman4life Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I already said that.agreed. brolly cant hurt hulk and hulk cant hit brolly. basically this is if the blob meets the juggernaunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ricrery Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 In the movie, Goku is shown moving at light speed, Broly trumped his speed by a vast amount. No, he doesn't. Also, if DBZ characters can travel at a maximum of light speed, then the DBZ universe must be pretty tiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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