Which infantry are on par with Starcraft Terran Marines?

[Guest Darksaiyajin345]

When will you start posting anything of substance?

Ok Maybe a squad of terminator marines in all seriousness

Dont know the abilitys of terra marines

[Guest thanosisawesome]

Do Predators count? If so, them too. And does this mean could beat Terran Marines, or are better at their time.

[Guest the atom]

Ok Maybe a squad of terminator marines in all seriousness

Dont know the abilitys of terra marines

 

Abilities? Not lots to know besides that they wear big armour, use big guns, and lak tah shewt dem up sum zurg huh huh huh!

Also terminator marines would be overkill. One could wander around and kill as many terran marines as he wanted without ever having a reason to stop (besides boredom). That armour could literally handle a direct hit from a siege tank with no ill effects.

[Guest ricrery]

Do Predators count? If so, them too. And does this mean could beat Terran Marines, or are better at their time.

 

I wouldn't know. However, from what I've seen, a Yautja would be incredibly lucky to be up there with even a single Terran Marine.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

I wouldn't know. However, from what I've seen, a Yautja would be incredibly lucky to be up there with even a single Terran Marine.

 

What movies where you watching? One Predator could easily destroy a group of marines. One plasma caster shot will likely kill a marine. Dlex armor will take Gauss rifle shots, and what do the marines do about cloaking? The predator is stronger, faster, and smarter. The combi-staff, smart disk, wrist blaster, spear gun, net gun, wrist blades would all most likely pierce Terran armor, but even if they don't, the Predator aims for the visor. Predators are completely superior to Terran marines.

[Guest the atom]

I wouldn't know. However, from what I've seen, a Yautja would be incredibly lucky to be up there with even a single Terran Marine.

 

If the marines were better trained I might agree. However, most marines are bumbling roughnecks compared to the average Yautja.

[Guest ricrery]

If the marines were better trained I might agree. However, most marines are bumbling roughnecks compared to the average Yautja.

 

Yet they don't have the durability or overall firepower (minus of course their little self destruct bomb) to be equivalent to the Marine.

[Guest ricrery]

What movies where you watching? One Predator could easily destroy a group of marines. One plasma caster shot will likely kill a marine.

 

All of this is wrong. The plasma caster can't even kill a man wearing a vest, let alone a human in power armor centuries more advanced than what we have. A single Predator couldn't even kill a Marine with the majority of his equipment.

 

Dlex armor will take Gauss rifle shots,

 

Ha Ha Ha, no it wouldn't even slow it down. Here's a hint: Even a shotgun could knock a Yautja off its feet. Multiple Gauss Rifle Spikes would send it flying back, oh, and kill it.

 

and what do the marines do about cloaking? The predator is stronger, faster, and smarter.

 

Stronger? They have lifted heavier objects, but they certainly won't survive close quarters combat with a Marine. Faster? I'd like to see the evidence. Smarter? But they can outsmart bullet?

 

The combi-staff, smart disk, wrist blaster, spear gun, net gun, wrist blades would all most likely pierce Terran armor, but even if they don't, the Predator aims for the visor. Predators are completely superior to Terran marines.

 

None of the weapons you mentioned have demonstrated anything that shows they can pierce it. The minute the Terran Marine knows where the Yautja is, the fight is over. The Yautja has no counter to the Gauss Rifle.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

Yet they don't have the durability or overall firepower (minus of course their little self destruct bomb) to be equivalent to the Marine.

 

Are you honestly saying a marine beats a predator in hand to hand combat? You still have no response to cloaking. There are also many notable chinks in a Terrans battle armor, chinks through which predators could stab. And could a marine take a speargun shot to the visor? As for the armor, perhaps I spoke hastily. However, the marine will not even see the predator until it is to late.

[Guest ricrery]

Are you honestly saying a marine beats a predator in hand to hand combat?

 

Why yes I am. The Marine is larger and outmasses the alien significantly.

 

You still have no response to cloaking.

 

The Yautja has no response to the power armor. Cloaking is just camouflage, and you can see the outline of the Predator, so it's not as good as you make it out to be.

 

There are also many notable chinks in a Terrans battle armor, chinks through which predators could stab.

 

Minus the visor, what are you talking about?

 

And could a marine take a speargun shot to the visor? As for the armor, perhaps I spoke hastily. However, the marine will not even see the predator until it is to late.

 

Can a Yautja take a spike to the head? Yes, I think we're done here. A spear is not a hypersonic weapon, either, so the Marine has the ability to keep it from hitting his visor.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

Minus the visor, what are you talking about?

 

The noticeably large chinks around between the shoulder plate and the chestplate.

 

Why yes I am. The Marine is larger and outmasses the alien significantly.

 

So here is an analogy for what you think. You think an overweight person beats an MMA body builder? Because that is what the predator is to the marine. Just because the marine is fatter doesn't mean he beats the faster and stronger predator.

 

 

 

 

 

Can a Yautja take a spike to the head? Yes, I think we're done here. A spear is not a hypersonic weapon, either, so the Marine has the ability to keep it from hitting his visor.

 

How? Yautja stealths towards him, then fires. Since the marine, in that bulky armor, cannot dodge an alien spear, he is stuck.

 

 

 

The Yautja has no response to the power armor. Cloaking is just camouflage, and you can see the outline of the Predator, so it's not as good as you make it out to be.

 

Except for the visor and large chinks. The cloak gives the Yautja time to set up a kill.

[Guest ricrery]

The noticeably large chinks around between the shoulder plate and the chestplate.

 

Evidence these are weak points the predator can expose?

 

So here is an analogy for what you think. You think an overweight person beats an MMA body builder? Because that is what the predator is to the marine. Just because the marine is fatter doesn't mean he beats the faster and stronger predator.

 

No, that is not accurate at all. A Terran Marine obviously has control of CQC. Also, prove your damn claims of them being faster and stronger. When do they demonstrate this?

 

How? Yautja stealths towards him, then fires. Since the marine, in that bulky armor, cannot dodge an alien spear, he is stuck.

 

1) Yes, because the Marine won't be looking at him and won't notice the quite visible outline coming at him. Right?

 

2) No, he can dodge the spear. Do you know anything Terran Marines?

 

Except for the visor and large chinks. The cloak gives the Yautja time to set up a kill.

 

Which you haven't proven thus far as being weakpoints the Yautja can use.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

SPARTAN-IIIs.

SPARTAN-IIs.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

Evidence these are weak points the predator can expose?

 

 

 

No, that is not accurate at all. A Terran Marine obviously has control of CQC. Also, prove your damn claims of them being faster and stronger. When do they demonstrate this?

 

 

 

1) Yes, because the Marine won't be looking at him and won't notice the quite visible outline coming at him. Right?

 

2) No, he can dodge the spear. Do you know anything Terran Marines?

 

 

 

Which you haven't proven thus far as being weakpoints the Yautja can use.

 

 

Stronger: Lifting 2-5 tons, like lifting those doors, which were extremely heavy.

 

Faster: Marine, slower than most humans in heavy armor. Predator: Dodging bullets.

 

Evidence they are weak points: THEY ARE GAPS IN THE ARMOR!

 

CQC? Who cares? Marines train for like 45 minutes in h2h. Predators train for lifetimes. One predator with wristblades took on a highly trained Yakuza and pretty much won. The Yakuza had a katana, and the wristblades are pretty much hand to hand.

[Guest ricrery]

Stronger: Lifting 2-5 tons, like lifting those doors, which were extremely heavy.

 

I've debated about this, but I've never seen where this comes from myself. Also, it doesn't mean they can replicate this strength in CQC. In fact, the Marine would be able to inflict greater damage with a punch than the Predator even if it doesn't have a higher lifting capacity.

 

Faster: Marine, slower than most humans in heavy armor. Predator: Dodging bullets.

 

Evidence.

 

Evidence they are weak points: THEY ARE GAPS IN THE ARMOR!

 

That. Does. Not. Prove. The. Predator. Can. Do. Any. Thing. To. Them. With. Its. Arsenal.

 

CQC? Who cares? Marines train for like 45 minutes in h2h. Predators train for lifetimes. One predator with wristblades took on a highly trained Yakuza and pretty much won. The Yakuza had a katana, and the wristblades are pretty much hand to hand.

 

Oh yes, and is the Yakuza sealed in power armor?

[Indolent]

I've debated about this, but I've never seen where this comes from myself. Also, it doesn't mean they can replicate this strength in CQC. In fact, the Marine would be able to inflict greater damage with a punch than the Predator even if it doesn't have a higher lifting capacity.

 

Its a videogame instance where a predator named Scarface manages to lift a door that's been apparently specified at 16 tons. Ask Rakai about it...

 

Evidence.

 

That. Does. Not. Prove. The. Predator. Can. Do. Any. Thing. To. Them. With. Its. Arsenal.

 

 

 

Oh yes, and is the Yakuza sealed in power armor?

 

I recall the Yakuza managing to kill the Predator in the end as well. Both died by each others hand. Unless he's talking about some other instance?

Mine are in bold. I'm not vying against you btw, just helping.

[Guest ricrery]

SPARTAN-IIIs.

 

Um... No.

 

SPARTAN-IIs.

 

I don't know.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

Um... No.

 

 

 

I don't know.

 

 

 

I can only assume you know what a Spartan's are. You are either a massive Starcraft fanboy, or you know nothing of the other things being listed.

[Guest ricrery]

I can only assume you know what a Spartan's are. You are either a massive Starcraft fanboy, or you know nothing of the other things being listed.

 

Spartan IIIs are dispensable and inferior to the IIs, and carry inferior equipment to the Terran Marines.

[Guest the atom]

Spartan IIIs are dispensable and inferior to the IIs, and carry inferior equipment to the Terran Marines.

 

But surely you agree that the spartan 2's are far superior to Terran marines, being faster, better trained and often better armed. You aren't telling me a marine's armour can take a direct hit from a UNSC sniper rifle or rocket launcher, and despite their size they definitely aren't stronger.

[Guest sirmethos]

A few 'infantries' that are superior to Terran Marines:

 

Yautja(if they count as infantry, personally I would consider them more like Spec. Ops troops).

 

Spartan II

 

Spartan III

 

If the three types of troops mentioned above, counts as 'infantry', then I also need to add Dark Troopers and Imperial Guards(Crimson Guard) from Star Wars.

 

Mandalorians

 

And

 

Kull Warriors from Stargate: SG-1

 

 

 

Yautja contra Marines:

 

Strength: Terran Marines are regular humans, that are slightly enhanced by their CMC Combat Suit. As far as I know, there are no exceptional Strength feats for the Marines, nothing that puts them at more than, maybe, slightly above a single ton of strength. Yautja are known to be stronger than humans, in the first Predator movie, a predator unassisted by any form of machinery, lifted Arnold(with weapons) in one hand no apparent effort. From cutscenes in various games, as well as various Novels, we know that the Yautja are capable of extreme jumps(something that also shows a great deal of strength) and there are several feats of significantly above human strength, like a Yautja(again, unassisted by machinery) kicking a moving truck, making it flip in the air. Strength goes to the Yautja.

 

Durability: The Combat Suit of the Marine, is durable enough to tank "small arms fire" with no damage, but higher than that and they start taking damage. They can be enhanced by a Combat Shield, which enables them to take a single hit from a high-damage unit, they get damaged, but they survive. Now, the Armor of the Yautja varies depending on the Rank of the hunter, but even the lightest Yautja armor can easily tank small arms fire and more, However, unlike the Combat Suit worn by the Marines, the armor of the Yautja does not cover their entire body. Armor durability goes to the Yautja, but overall Durability goes to the Marines.

 

Firepower: The Terran Marines carry a C-14 Gauss Rifle, firing 8 mm Hypersonic bullets. However, that is about it for the Marines. The Yautja carry the Shoulder Plasma Caster, as well as the Combi-Stick. And have access to the Spear Gun, Smart Disc, Netgun, etc. etc. Looking at the damage the various weapons(on both sides) are capable of dealing out. Firepower goes to the Yautja.

 

Skills: While the skill level varies with both Terran Marines and the Yautja, the lowest level with the Marines are regular conscripts with next to no training. The highest level with the Yautja are boosted by more than 1000 years of experience. With the Terrans having both the lowest minimum, as well as the lowest maximum level. Skill goes to the Yautja.

 

Overall: Yautja.

 

If I need to add any other 'stats' in my comparisons, let me know.

 

 

Spartan III contra Marines:

 

Strength: While their enhancement is at a lower degree than the Spartan II, the Spartan III are significantly stronger than regular humans. On top of this, they wear power armor that further enhances the strength. like the MJOLNIR Mark IV. Strength goes to the Spartan III.

 

Durability: The Terran Marines can, as mentioned before, tank Small arms fire(as an average). On the other hand, the Power Armor of the Spartan III is designed to go up against much heavier weapons, with heavy titanium armor and additional Force field. Durability goes to the Spartan III.

 

Firepower: Again, as mentioned before, the extend of the Marine's firepower, lies in the C-14 Gauss rifle. For the Spartans, most of their weaponry is actually inferior to the C-14 Rifle, the only thing they have access to that is superior, is the Spartan Laser. But since that is not standard equipment, Firepower goes to the Terran Marines.

 

Skills: Spartan III are highly skilled, extensively trained soldiers. while the skill level of the Marines, varies wildly. overall Skill level, goes to the Spartan III.

 

Overall: Spartan III.

 

I'm not gonna go into the Spartan II, since it's widely recognized that they are superior to the Spartan III.

 

 

 

Dark Trooper contra Marines:

 

Strength: Like with the Terran Marines, there are no significant Strength feats for the Dark Troopers. Thus, I'll have to put this one as a tie.

 

Durability: On top of being Droids with heavy armor, the Dark Troopers are equipped with Deflector Shields. Which puts their overall durability at a higher level than that of the Terran Marines. Dark Troopers easily tank a shot from a heavy turret, or any hand held weapons.

 

Firepower: Dark Troopers are equipped with an Assault cannon, with a capacity of 400 Plasma shells, and a rate of fire of 540 RPM. as well as 20 Missiles. A single shell from the assault cannon is enough to easily punch through the armor of Stormtroopers. Firepower goes the the Dark Trooper.

 

Skills: The skills of the Marines varies, Dark Troopers are Droids specifically programmed for combat. Skills go to Dark Troopers.

 

Overall: Dark Troopers

 

 

Kull Warrior contra Marines:(I'm starting to get tired, so I'll just do the Kull Warrior and finish it up for today. If necessary I'll do the rest after getting some sleep).

 

Strength: Kull warriors are shown to be far stronger than humans, they are even shown to be far stronger than the Jaffa. With no significant strength feats from the Marines. Strength goes to the Kull warriors.

 

Durability: As I've already explained the durability of the Marines, I won't go in to that here. The Kull Warriors are completely invulnerable to energy weapons and Highly resistant to kinetic weapons. Even high caliber, armor piercing weapons, do absolutely nothing to the Kull Warrior, you need either heavy duty Missiles, or large scale explosions to take them down. Durability goes to Kull warriors, by a large margin.

 

Firepower: The Kull warriors are equipped with a wrist mounted, Plasma Repeater. Firing energy blasts(plasma) roughly equal in power, to that of a Staff Weapon. Unlike the Staff weapon though, the Plasma Repeater has a high rate of fire, at around 900 RPM and due to their Naquadah power source, they virtually never run out of ammo. Though they have slightly less penetration power, due to the high rate of fire and unlimited ammo. Firepower goes to the Kull Warrior.

 

Skills: While the skills of the Marines vary greatly, the Kull have basically no real skills(aside from pretty good aim), they instead rely on their nigh-invulnerability and superior firepower. Skills go to the Marines.

 

Overall: Kull warriors.

[Guest ricrery]

But surely you agree that the spartan 2's are far superior to Terran marines, being faster, better trained and often better armed. You aren't telling me a marine's armour can take a direct hit from a UNSC sniper rifle or rocket launcher, and despite their size they definitely aren't stronger.

 

They fall behind in weapons. Minus anything special, their weapons are puny compared to a Marines. Also, what makes you think a Marine can't tank a direct hit from a sniper rifle?

[Guest ricrery]

Strength: While their enhancement is at a lower degree than the Spartan II, the Spartan III are significantly stronger than regular humans. On top of this, they wear power armor that further enhances the strength. like the MJOLNIR Mark IV. Strength goes to the Spartan III.

 

Except we have no real feats of the Marine.

 

Durability: The Terran Marines can, as mentioned before, tank Small arms fire(as an average). On the other hand, the Power Armor of the Spartan III is designed to go up against much heavier weapons, with heavy titanium armor and additional Force field. Durability goes to the Spartan III.

 

Wrong. 7.62x51mm rounds can puncture both their armor and Elite armor and maybe even Spartan II armor. Their armor is not even approaching that of a Marine's armor.

[Guest the atom]

They fall behind in weapons. Minus anything special, their weapons are puny compared to a Marines. Also, what makes you think a Marine can't tank a direct hit from a sniper rifle?

 

Because they can shoot through tank armor, thats why. sirmethos put it best. Marines can shrug off small arms fire and can lift a couple tons, but they really aren't that special. Hell, Raynor beat the hell out of Tychus without wearing any armour or any weapons at all. And it's not as if Raynor is a super human. And you better believe that any spartan 2 is much faster then Jim Raynor. Spartan 2s actually require special enhancement in order to use their suits, otherwise, their bodies would get torn apart by the speed and force of their movements.

[Guest ricrery]

Strength: Terran Marines are regular humans, that are slightly enhanced by their CMC Combat Suit. As far as I know, there are no exceptional Strength feats for the Marines, nothing that puts them at more than, maybe, slightly above a single ton of strength. Yautja are known to be stronger than humans, in the first Predator movie, a predator unassisted by any form of machinery, lifted Arnold(with weapons) in one hand no apparent effort. From cutscenes in various games, as well as various Novels, we know that the Yautja are capable of extreme jumps(something that also shows a great deal of strength) and there are several feats of significantly above human strength, like a Yautja(again, unassisted by machinery) kicking a moving truck, making it flip in the air. Strength goes to the Yautja.

 

Since we have no real feats... Why are you trying to make a comparison? Also, no, Terran Marines can effortlessly lift and throw people, too. I'd like to see the bit about the truck.

 

Durability: The Combat Suit of the Marine, is durable enough to tank "small arms fire" with no damage, but higher than that and they start taking damage.

 

No. Their weapons are comparable to small arms in any way. They use pistols that are .50 caliber. Their normal weapons are DU spikes that travel at hypersonic velocities, which is easily in the double digit or triple digit kilojoule range.

 

Now, the Armor of the Yautja varies depending on the Rank of the hunter, but even the lightest Yautja armor can easily tank small arms fire and more,

However, unlike the Combat Suit worn by the Marines, the armor of the Yautja does not cover their entire body. Armor durability goes to the Yautja, but overall Durability goes to the Marines.

 

Strange, I never saw a Yautja tanking .50 caliber hypersonic spikes being shot at them. The "armor" of the Yautja is less than nothing compared to a Terran Marines.