Death Star vs. 3 Battlebarges

[Guest the atom]

It says Librarians can read minds, doesn't say over what distance.

 

 

 

No, I mean the only things that are going to show up in energy scans are the giant reactor. Everything else draws energy from the reactor, so a control room wouldn't show up more than, say, a turbo laser battery, a tractor beam generator, or a shield generator.

 

Also, how would the Librarian find the super laser control room so fast out of the entire 160 km wide battle station?

 

You seem to hold the 40k librarians and psykers to insanely high standards. There's nothing that says the specific range of a librarian's mind reading or controlling abilities. However it is stated in the links i gave you that LIBRARIANS can project their conciseness over LIGHT YEARS. So it's a fairly safe to assume that even a mid level librarian would have no troubles reading some weak willed engineer's thoughts or making a technician flip a few switches.

 

I never said a control room would be visible, but anything drawing large amounts of power like the super laser would. Logic follows that any control rooms would be located in some logical fashion from this structure.

Librarians can project their conciseness across lightyears, so looking through a battle station that's 160 km in diameter wouldn't take long, especially if they knew the general area of the control rooms.

 

Just think of this. The average Librarian is easily 100x as powerful as Darth Vader. If Darth Vader can throttle some imperial officer that is located x amount of lightyears away from him with little apparent effort, a librarian could certainly do much much worse.

[Guest Ruinus]

You seem to hold the 40k librarians and psykers to insanely high standards. There's nothing that says the specific range of a librarian's mind reading or controlling abilities. However it is stated in the links i gave you that LIBRARIANS can project their conciseness over LIGHT YEARS. So it's a fairly safe to assume that even a mid level librarian would have no troubles reading some weak willed engineer's thoughts or making a technician flip a few switches.

 

No, I'm not holding them to high standards. I'm simply looking for the evidence that supports your argument that they'll do what you say they'll do.

 

Erm, what? Where does it say they project their consciousness over light years? The word "light" appears once in the Librarian article, and only for the word "lightning" and it appears four times in the Psyker article, and that's because Psykers can speak to each other over light years through the Warp.

 

I never said a control room would be visible, but anything drawing large amounts of power like the super laser would. Logic follows that any control rooms would be located in some logical fashion from this structure.

 

The super laser would, but why would the super laser control room? Or the commander center? Also, there are 8 different areas where the beam travels through, and IF the super laser is charging up then that means that it's about to fire. If it's about to fire, then one of those ships will be destroyed.

 

Librarians can project their conciseness across lightyears, so looking through a battle station that's 160 km in diameter wouldn't take long, especially if they knew the general area of the control rooms.

 

It says:

"Librarians are capable of telepathic communication across vast distances"

This isn't the same as "Librarians can read minds across vast distances". After all, psykers have stronger warp presences than normal people don't they?

 

Where does it say they can send their consciousness the same distance? Also again, how would they know the general idea of the control rooms? Hell, the Super Laser control room is somewhere in Theta Sector, which could be anywhere on the Death Star.

 

Just think of this. The average Librarian is easily 100x as powerful as Darth Vader. If Darth Vader can throttle some imperial officer that is located x amount of lightyears away from him with little apparent effort, a librarian could certainly do much much worse.

 

Except Darth Vader knew where his officer was, the Librarians don't.

[Guest corax]

or i one of the battlebarges belonged to the raven guard they would aproach the deathstar undetected with their cloaking enabled, open a warp rift and drag the deathstar into the warp. as the death star does not have a a gellar field everone inside would be consumed by daemons.

[Guest Gastrolobium velutinum]

I joined this site to comment here, so bear with me if this comes out clunky

this one kinda went off track.
the question was "could 3 battle barges beat the deathstar".

even as a HUGE 40K fan the answer is no.

It would take a several Retribution class battleships supported by Overlord and Mars class battlecruisers to do that in ship to ship combat.
please remember that battle barges are designed more for delivering Space Marines to a planets surface (or another ship) than ship to ship combat.

As to a few Boo Boos in the previous posts

1) Individuals in the warhammer universe cannot teleport without a "telport homer" at the target location (despite what is shown in the DOW games)
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Teleport_Homer

2) Psykers CAN manipulate thoughts in others. the inquisitor Ramius Stele planted suggestion and suspision in the mind of an interogating librarian in the book dues encarmine. (unable to find online reference) so a clever psyker could manipulate people on the DS

3) force sensitives in the SW unives are capable of "psykic war" as demonstrated by kyp durron, when he removed the knowledge of how the "sun crusher" was built from the mind of it's primary reseacher Qui Xux. Darth Vader strangling someone through a vid screen in the equivilant of him twitching a finger. Therefore force sensatives (present on both DS) can shield critical info from the probes of the SM librarians.

3) Jetisoning an area of the DS would have little to not effect (if the SM managed to get aboard) as SM have sealed battle suits with internal air systems that last a considerable time and a "mag lock" function on thier boots. this is demonstated in the battle between members of the blood angels and lictor "sharks" in the book dues sanguinius

As to the argument about a force sensative vs librarian/psyker. I'm leaving that one well alone, particlarly as immaterium of the warp is not present in the SW universe and i'm not sure if mitichlorians would have any affect in the DOW universe.

[kainboa]

Holy thread necromancing batman!

 

I'll just steal/modify the immortal words of DSkillz.

 

 

Welcome to electricferret, Gastrolobium velutinum. It's good to see you're trying to get into the conversation. The one on this match, however, ended more than two years ago, so if you want to continue it, it might be best if you start a fresh topic on the matter. 

[Guest skadoosh]

The Death Star probably wins this, but if there were a few more Battlebarges i imagine they could take it down.