Tournament of Actors (Action)

[Guest Zreth]

Yeah doesn't mine count as descriptive.

[C.T.]

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Zreth wrote

 

If we look at each of the people only Bruce Lee, Jet Li, Chuck Norris and Jackie Chan have actually trained to fight.

Fighting Skils:

 

1.Jet Li: Was a Wushu(Martial arts tournament) champion. He is a master of many fighting arts mostly that of Northern Long fist whch gives him power, range and grappling. Tumbling Fist technique which gives him punching and jabbing speed and flow. Eight Triagam Palm gives him balance, flexibillity and flow. Tai chi which is focused mostly on flow uses the strength of blows directed at you and redirects it back at your opponent with greater force allowing you to break an opponets arm with little to no effort. Shape Intent Fist is a form of chinese boxing that is based on elements and animals this form of fighting is extremly aggressive and uses speed and lots of power. He also knows the Praying Mantis Fist which increases his grapling abillity, his jabs and his strikes. He is also a master of physical weapons.

2.Bruce Lee: Bruce was trained by the legendary Yip Man who freed China with his bare hands. Yip man taught Bruce the art of Wing Chun. After arriving to america he developed Jun Fan Gung Fu which was a mix of Wing Chun and Southern Shaolin. A few years after he made Jeet Kune Do to add on to Jun Fan. The combinaition of fighting style gives Bruce precision, power, practicallity, speed, flexibillity and efficency while also making him unpredictable.

3. Jackie Chan: Chan developed his own form of martial arts which was mixed in with acrobats this fusion gives him a very agile fighting style that also uses lots of improvisaition.

4. Chuck Norris: Trained in korean Tang Soo Do a form of boxing like fighting which uses physical beatdowns. He then evolved it to Chuck Kuk Do a form of hybrid martial arts mostly based on Tang Soo Do but with increased effectiveness.

5. Arnold Schwarzennager: The Schwarz was a champion professional body builder. He can be expected to brawl seeing that he has no fighting style brawling would be effective for Arnold due to his height and strength.

6. Sylvester Stalone: Nothing.....

 

All of them have trained physically some more so then others.

Training

 

1. Bruce Lee: Trained extensivley for Jun Fan Jeet Kun do making him very strong in all physical aspects.

2. Jet Li: Champion of all ten Wushu events

3. Chuck Norris: Tang Soo Do an Chuck Kuk do master.

4. Jackie Chan: Stunt man, Master Acrobat and Master Martial Artist

5. Arnold Schwarzennager: Professional body builder and weight lifter

6. Sylvester Stalone: Nothing.....

 

Partnerships Possibillities

1. Arnold and Sly: close freinds Probabillity: good Effect: strong

2. Jack and Bruce: Worked with each other once Probabillity: Low Effect: Low

3. Jet and Norris: N/A Probabillity: Rock Bottom Effect: Rock Bottom

 

Weapon use

1. Jet Li: Fighting styles increases shovels effect greatly.

2. Arnold Schwarzennager: Bezerker

3. Jackie Chan: weapon improve master

4. Sylvester Stalone: Bezerker

5. Chuck Norris: Violence increase

6. Bruce Lee: Bad weapon fighter and improviser and not a Bezerker or intense violence user.

 

Ewok Survival

1. Jackie Chan: most agile best for running away

2. Jet Li: second best runner and defender

3. Arnold Schwazennager: Charges through ewoks

4. Bruce Lee: Most fit and capable.

5. Chuck Norris: Exsistent fighting skillz

6. Sylvester Stalone: Nothing.....

 

Round 1 Advantage: Bruce Lee

Round 2 Advantage: Jet Li

Round 3 Advantage: Jet Li

Round 4 Advantage: Jackie Chan

Overall winner: Jet Li

[Guest Zreth]

So you gonna debate.

[Guest KevinDWolf93]

Yeah, but a bit akward,u 2 basicially gave me the silent treatment

 

Not saying urs is bad(opposite in fact), but a few minor issues

Yikes,U really counted out stallone(granted he probably does have least exp)Still dudes gotten some serious boxing training(especially last few films) and has shown great shape.

 

bit o inconsistancies in advantage area(mostly for jackie who I think wins,and definitely stallone)

 

Nothing else real major so wont bring up unless have to.Its amazing, just making sure everything is grounded. When ur done with mine real debate begins.

[C.T.]

I never gave you the silent treatment

 

Well me and Kinetic were the only others to give detail. I dont mind debating.

Uh...what about Zreth?

 

 

Lets start by tearing each others reasoning apart...you go first

[Guest KevinDWolf93]

I never gave you the silent treatment

 

Well the equivalent as far as I was concerned: doing the whole quote and nothing else, sorry for misreading but gotta admit kinda weird.

[C.T.]

Well the equivalent as far as I was concerned: doing the whole quote and nothing else, sorry for misreading but gotta admit kinda weird.

 

 

Sorry for any weirdness...

[Guest Zreth]

Yeah, but a bit akward,u 2 basicially gave me the silent treatment

 

Not saying urs is bad(opposite in fact), but a few minor issues

Yikes,U really counted out stallone(granted he probably does have least exp)Still dudes gotten some serious boxing training(especially last few films) and has shown great shape.

 

bit o inconsistancies in advantage area(mostly for jackie who I think wins,and definitely stallone)

 

Nothing else real major so wont bring up unless have to.Its amazing, just making sure everything is grounded. When ur done with mine real debate begins.

I don't think I gave you the silent treatment since we never had any direct comments yet and I don't think training for a movie counts as real boxing technique anyone can copy movement but it dosen't mean you have any actual skill other then the movie he does have a well built body but it isn't on same level as most of the others. For Jackie Chan I don't know what I did wrong there so can you tell me.

[Guest Zreth]

You should have chosen Jean Claude Van Damme Marvel Man he actually knows how to fight.

[TroytheRobot]

Round 1: Ahnold, chuck and sly never struck me as being fast, or agile so its really bruce v.s jackie v.s jet. All three of them have incredible endurance, and have trained themselves extensively. I'm not sure about Jackie's or Jet's workouts, but I know that Bruce Lee would run for around 5 miles everyday, and then do 45 minutes on an exercise bike. On the other, seeing the stunts that jackie chan does he obviously has the endurance, the speed, and the agility to be a contender. Then we have Jet li, a 5 time Wushu gold medalist. Being in any sort of Martial arts competition obviously means that you have to be in good physical condition, and speed is a must in that particular art. However, combat speed is different than running speed so its hard to say how fast Jet would be. All in all though I'd have to give the first round to Bruce Lee. Seeing as he's the only one that seems to have made running a focal point in his workout, and I think that's going to give him the edge. Jackie comes in a close second. Jet ends up third right behind Jackie. Chuck finishes next followed by sly then Ahnold.

 

Round 2:

Here's how I see it; Bruce Lee created one of the most effective combat "fighting systems" known to man. In anything not just fighting, the ability to adapt to the situation is an invaluable asset. Jeet Kune Do was simpily a name given to something that could not have a name. Bruce advocated that Jeet Kune Do was not really a fighting system at all, he encouraged his students to "create their own style" kind of like being an artist but instead of paint brushes, you have your legs, and arms. Also, there is some documentation of Bruce Lee winning more than a few street fights. On top of that he won more than a few matches in competitions as well. If that doesn't seal the deal for you just take a look at some of his feats some time. To make a long story short Bruce Lee takes this round because of his ability to adapt to any fighting style, his experience, and his relentless determination to be the best martial artist.

 

Bruce Lee ultimately comes out being the winner (suffering the least amount of damage, while at the same time dishing out the most punishment.) Chuck Norris comes in second. This is where I think that many of you will disagree with me. Wushu is the sport counterpart of Kung Fu. In other words Wushu is more for show, and capitilizes on tradition, fancy acrobatics, and flashy speed. I'm not saying that Jet can't fight, but hes been trained as a wushu competitor as a child, and an actor later on in life. On the other hand Chuck Norris was trained in Tang Soo Do, and founded the fighting art known as Chun kuk do. Tang Soo Do, as well as all the other arts that come together to make up Chun Sik Do are used exclusively for self-defense. In TSD itself moves are taught fro mthe beginning of training that either seriously hurt, kill, or maim the assaliant. I'm kind of pulling stuff out of my eat right now, so I guess what I'm trying to say is that Wushu is a sport first and foremost while TSD is a combative art. Plus who knows how good jet can do without wires, special effects, stuntmen, or retakes. You know what? It could really go either way, but I just see Chuck getting the slight edge.

 

Jet comes in third followed by Jackie Chan. Jackie was trained in chinese opera as an acrobatic, and a stuntman not as a martial artist or a fighter. Arnold ultimately suffers the most amount of damage, it really doesn't matter how big your muscles are if you don't know how to use them. I give Sly the win over him simpily because of the minimal experince he may have picked up while playing Rocky Balboa

 

 

 

I take break now...

[C.T.]

That...was...an...EPIC...description...

[Guest Zreth]

Round 1: Ahnold, chuck and sly never struck me as being fast, or agile so its really bruce v.s jackie v.s jet. All three of them have incredible endurance, and have trained themselves extensively. I'm not sure about Jackie's or Jet's workouts, but I know that Bruce Lee would run for around 5 miles everyday, and then do 45 minutes on an exercise bike. On the other, seeing the stunts that jackie chan does he obviously has the endurance, the speed, and the agility to be a contender. Then we have Jet li, a 5 time Wushu gold medalist. Being in any sort of Martial arts competition obviously means that you have to be in good physical condition, and speed is a must in that particular art. However, combat speed is different than running speed so its hard to say how fast Jet would be. All in all though I'd have to give the first round to Bruce Lee. Seeing as he's the only one that seems to have made running a focal point in his workout, and I think that's going to give him the edge. Jackie comes in a close second. Jet ends up third right behind Jackie. Chuck finishes next followed by sly then Ahnold.

 

Round 2:

Here's how I see it; Bruce Lee created one of the most effective combat "fighting systems" known to man. In anything not just fighting, the ability to adapt to the situation is an invaluable asset. Jeet Kune Do was simpily a name given to something that could not have a name. Bruce advocated that Jeet Kune Do was not really a fighting system at all, he encouraged his students to "create their own style" kind of like being an artist but instead of paint brushes, you have your legs, and arms. Also, there is some documentation of Bruce Lee winning more than a few street fights. On top of that he won more than a few matches in competitions as well. If that doesn't seal the deal for you just take a look at some of his feats some time. To make a long story short Bruce Lee takes this round because of his ability to adapt to any fighting style, his experience, and his relentless determination to be the best martial artist.

 

Bruce Lee ultimately comes out being the winner (suffering the least amount of damage, while at the same time dishing out the most punishment.) Chuck Norris comes in second. This is where I think that many of you will disagree with me. Wushu is the sport counterpart of Kung Fu. In other words Wushu is more for show, and capitilizes on tradition, fancy acrobatics, and flashy speed. I'm not saying that Jet can't fight, but hes been trained as a wushu competitor as a child, and an actor later on in life. On the other hand Chuck Norris was trained in Tang Soo Do, and founded the fighting art known as Chun kuk do. Tang Soo Do, as well as all the other arts that come together to make up Chun Sik Do are used exclusively for self-defense. In TSD itself moves are taught fro mthe beginning of training that either seriously hurt, kill, or maim the assaliant. I'm kind of pulling stuff out of my eat right now, so I guess what I'm trying to say is that Wushu is a sport first and foremost while TSD is a combative art. Plus who knows how good jet can do without wires, special effects, stuntmen, or retakes. You know what? It could really go either way, but I just see Chuck getting the slight edge.

 

Jet comes in third followed by Jackie Chan. Jackie was trained in chinese opera as an acrobatic, and a stuntman not as a martial artist or a fighter. Arnold ultimately suffers the most amount of damage, it really doesn't matter how big your muscles are if you don't know how to use them. I give Sly the win over him simpily because of the minimal experince he may have picked up while playing Rocky Balboa

 

 

 

I take break now...

I have to slightly disagree Wushu has two parts one is mostly to impress the judges the other is to actually fight. All of Jet's techniques are that of real martial arts so it has no diffrence to Tang Soo Do. Jet Li has far more styles to balance out the characteristics of his fighting style giving him far more capable then Bruce Lee even though Bruce has a more fluid and effective system. Although if this fight where to remain hand to hand for a long period of time then yes Bruce easily wins due to the fact that he has the most perfect body in history and improved the teachings of the legendary Yip Man. But when the weapons arrive Jet's larger amount of fighting styles some of which increase the effect of his weapon will give him the advantage. Even with his perfect body I doubt bruce can stop a metal shovel used as an effective weapon.

[TroytheRobot]

I have to slightly disagree Wushu has two parts one is mostly to impress the judges the other is to actually fight. All of Jet's techniques are that of real martial arts so it has no diffrence to Tang Soo Do. Jet Li has far more styles to balance out the characteristics of his fighting style giving him far more capable then Bruce Lee even though Bruce has a more fluid and effective system. Although if this fight where to remain hand to hand for a long period of time then yes Bruce easily wins due to the fact that he has the most perfect body in history and improved the teachings of the legendary Yip Man. But when the weapons arrive Jet's larger amount of fighting styles some of which increase the effect of his weapon will give him the advantage. Even with his perfect body I doubt bruce can stop a metal shovel used as an effective weapon.

 

 

The main focal point of Wushu is to impress the judges, and the audience it has implicaitons of Kung fu but it is not a fighting art in any sense of the word. Like I said before it could go either way, but I just see Chuck Norris taking it.

 

Jet Li has far more styles to balance out the characteristics of his fighting style giving him far more capable then Bruce Lee even though Bruce has a more fluid and effective system.

 

More styles? You really think that matters in a real fight? Again I stress that JKD was never intended to be a fighting system. Its about adaptation, which is has I said before is invaluable in a fight. I'm not doubting Jet Li's skills, but in a straight up fight Bruce owns him for the simple fact that the focal point of his training was to kill/maim attackers not to impress a panel of judges.

 

 

But when the weapons arrive Jet's larger amount of fighting styles some of which increase the effect of his weapon will give him the advantage. Even with his perfect body I doubt bruce can stop a metal shovel used as an effective weapon.

 

What? The whole point of JKD is self-defense. I'm almost certain that Bruce could handle a shovel even if it was handled by someone such as Jet. Also, isn't the second round specifically "hand-to-hand" only. If you want to talk about weapons I'd give that one to either Jackie or Jet. Bruce was legendary with the nunchaku, but I'm not really sure how much training he had with other weapons. I'm gonna need some time to think about who would win between Jackie and Jet. Then again it depends what kind of weapons are being used.

[Marvel Man]

@ Zreth

 

This is merely the beginning. JCVD's in it.

 

@ Tarvius

 

Okay, you've done it. Bruce now has the best arguement, and if anyone doubts it, just look at what Wolvie wrote.

[Guest Zreth]

@ Zreth

 

This is merely the beginning. JCVD's in it.

 

@ Tarvius

 

Okay, you've done it. Bruce now has the best arguement, and if anyone doubts it, just look at what Wolvie wrote.

Whoo yeah JCVD!

And Tarvius has convinced.

[Guest Kinetic War]

Round 1: Ahnold, chuck and sly never struck me as being fast, or agile so its really bruce v.s jackie v.s jet. All three of them have incredible endurance, and have trained themselves extensively. I'm not sure about Jackie's or Jet's workouts, but I know that Bruce Lee would run for around 5 miles everyday, and then do 45 minutes on an exercise bike. On the other, seeing the stunts that jackie chan does he obviously has the endurance, the speed, and the agility to be a contender. Then we have Jet li, a 5 time Wushu gold medalist. Being in any sort of Martial arts competition obviously means that you have to be in good physical condition, and speed is a must in that particular art. However, combat speed is different than running speed so its hard to say how fast Jet would be. All in all though I'd have to give the first round to Bruce Lee. Seeing as he's the only one that seems to have made running a focal point in his workout, and I think that's going to give him the edge. Jackie comes in a close second. Jet ends up third right behind Jackie. Chuck finishes next followed by sly then Ahnold.

 

Round 2:

Here's how I see it; Bruce Lee created one of the most effective combat "fighting systems" known to man. In anything not just fighting, the ability to adapt to the situation is an invaluable asset. Jeet Kune Do was simpily a name given to something that could not have a name. Bruce advocated that Jeet Kune Do was not really a fighting system at all, he encouraged his students to "create their own style" kind of like being an artist but instead of paint brushes, you have your legs, and arms. Also, there is some documentation of Bruce Lee winning more than a few street fights. On top of that he won more than a few matches in competitions as well. If that doesn't seal the deal for you just take a look at some of his feats some time. To make a long story short Bruce Lee takes this round because of his ability to adapt to any fighting style, his experience, and his relentless determination to be the best martial artist.

 

Bruce Lee ultimately comes out being the winner (suffering the least amount of damage, while at the same time dishing out the most punishment.) Chuck Norris comes in second. This is where I think that many of you will disagree with me. Wushu is the sport counterpart of Kung Fu. In other words Wushu is more for show, and capitilizes on tradition, fancy acrobatics, and flashy speed. I'm not saying that Jet can't fight, but hes been trained as a wushu competitor as a child, and an actor later on in life. On the other hand Chuck Norris was trained in Tang Soo Do, and founded the fighting art known as Chun kuk do. Tang Soo Do, as well as all the other arts that come together to make up Chun Sik Do are used exclusively for self-defense. In TSD itself moves are taught fro mthe beginning of training that either seriously hurt, kill, or maim the assaliant. I'm kind of pulling stuff out of my eat right now, so I guess what I'm trying to say is that Wushu is a sport first and foremost while TSD is a combative art. Plus who knows how good jet can do without wires, special effects, stuntmen, or retakes. You know what? It could really go either way, but I just see Chuck getting the slight edge.

 

Jet comes in third followed by Jackie Chan. Jackie was trained in chinese opera as an acrobatic, and a stuntman not as a martial artist or a fighter. Arnold ultimately suffers the most amount of damage, it really doesn't matter how big your muscles are if you don't know how to use them. I give Sly the win over him simpily because of the minimal experince he may have picked up while playing Rocky Balboa

 

 

 

I take break now...

 

YES! YES! That's exactly what I meant, but you wrote it so much better and more professionally. I concur.