The Blue Flame Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Basic Thor vs. Basic Darkseid. As someone who lacks the comic knowledge of others I wanted to know who would win in a fight. I hear Thor beats superman and that Darkseid beats Superman if it wasn't for the hero needing to win in the comic. So please lay on me your knowledge of the two and who would win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 I'll start out with listing the actual powers of each character, as accurately as possible. Thor:Strength: As a base Thor is roughly equal to Superman in strength, with his belt he can double his strength, and the Berserker Rage can multiply his strength by 10. Stamina: Can exert himself for Months Invulnerability Speed: Thor's speed is a bit vague, but he is able to fly at at least twice the speed of light Weather Control Mystical Negation: Can negate mystical energy Matter Manipulation Energy Manipulation Energy Absorption God Blast: Thor can channel his life force into an extremely powerful energy blast, powerful enough to temporarily damage one of the Celestials. Anti-Force: Another energy blast, powerful enough to take down Mangog Portal Creation: can create portals to travel anywhere in the Marvel universe, even across dimenionsal barriers. Note: I haven't explained those that seem self-explanatory, and these powers include those granted by Mjolnir. Darkseid: Strength: Darkseid is physically stronger than even Superman, though it is unknown by how much. Unlimited Stamina Invulnerability Speed: Faster than any human, not on par with speedsters like Superman or Flash, but on occasions he has moved fast enough to surprise even Superman. Omega Blast: Telepathy: Darkseid is an extremely powerful telepath, capable of mentally dominating an entire planet with little to no effort. Telekinesis Matter Manipulation Energy Manipulation Avatar Creation Life Creation Teleportation: Darkseid can instantly teleport anywhere, even across dimensional barriers Boomtube Creation/summoning Time Travel De-Evolving Note: again, I have not explained those that seem self-explanatory. If any of the powers needs an explanation, just let me know. Note2: For now, I won't comment on who wins the match, I'll wait for other to comment first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blue Flame Posted May 20, 2011 Author Share Posted May 20, 2011 Note: again, I have not explained those that seem self-explanatory. If any of the powers needs an explanation, just let me know. Thanks sirmethos, part of the reason I posted this was because I know you do a good job explaining there powers and such. A few explanations need for Darkseid powers first the Avatar Creation? He can place his soul in a other living thing or am I way off on that way? Life Creation? Please explain how powerful of life creation. The Time Travel has he used that in battle before? De-Evolving? O.o so he can go back to a early form of himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Thanks sirmethos, part of the reason I posted this was because I know you do a good job explaining there powers and such. A few explanations need for Darkseid powers first the Avatar Creation? He can place his soul in a other living thing or am I way off on that way? Life Creation? Please explain how powerful of life creation. The Time Travel has he used that in battle before? De-Evolving? O.o so he can go back to a early form of himself? Avatar Creation: basically he creates weaker versions of himself Life Creation: his best feat of this is Stayne, who is equal in power to Takion. De-evolving: He can de-evolve others, not himself. for example, take a random human. Darkseid uses the power on him, and turns him into a caveman, or a fish, or a single celled organism. Time Travel: I honestly can't remember if he has used it in battle, but that doesn't change the fact that he is capable of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blue Flame Posted May 20, 2011 Author Share Posted May 20, 2011 Avatar Creation: basically he creates weaker versions of himself Life Creation: his best feat of this is Stayne, who is equal in power to Takion. De-evolving: He can de-evolve others, not himself. for example, take a random human. Darkseid uses the power on him, and turns him into a caveman, or a fish, or a single celled organism. Time Travel: I honestly can't remember if he has used it in battle, but that doesn't change the fact that he is capable of it. Oh okay thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LoneWolf Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Here is my case for Thor. Darksied punched Batman at full force and Batman (a normal human) lived. Thor would liquify Batman, killing him, if he were to punch him. DC physics are way off. People claim that Superman can lift millions of tons, Darksied is *stronger* than Superman, yet he doesn't kill a normal human by hitting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Here is my case for Thor. Darksied punched Batman at full force and Batman (a normal human) lived. Thor would liquify Batman, killing him, if he were to punch him. DC physics are way off. People claim that Superman can lift millions of tons, Darksied is *stronger* than Superman, yet he doesn't kill a normal human by hitting them.Batman had Apokolyptian armor, and he had a mother box protecting him. Also Batman states that Darkseid is toying with for his amusement. Batman knew Darkseid wouldn't kill him because only Batman knew the codes to the hell spores. Most importantly.......it's Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G4hardcore Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Batman had Apokolyptian armor, and he had a mother box protecting him. Also Batman states that Darkseid is toying with for his amusement. Batman knew Darkseid wouldn't kill him because only Batman knew the codes to the hell spores. Most importantly.......it's Batman Don't make me call out Batman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 LOL I love how people are voting and the debate didn't begin yet. I think the fight will start with Darkseid shoot his omega blast which is what he always does first. Thor can take the blast or block it any number of ways. He could use his hammer, use Energy Absorption, counter with his god blast or anti-force, and more it seems. Now after that if both survive they will move towards fighting. Thor with Berserker Rage would win a fight with Darkseid because that would make his strength more powerful then Darkseid. Superman when fighting near a sun against Darkseid is more powerful. Thor with what was said in the other thread is more powerful then even Superman with Berserker Rage. Thor would win in a fight. So Thor would win in this fight. If I got something wrong I'm sure someone will let me know. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G4hardcore Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 LOL I love how people are voting and the debate didn't begin yet. I think the fight will start with Darkseid shoot his omega blast which is what he always does first. Thor can take the blast or block it any number of ways. He could use his hammer, use Energy Absorption, counter with his god blast or ant-force, and more it seems. Now after that if both survive they will move towards fighting. Thor with Berserker Rage would win a fight with Darkseid because that would make his strength more powerful then Darkseid. Superman when fighting near a sun against Darkseid is more powerful. Thor with what was said in the other thread is more powerful then even Superman with Berserker Rage. Thor would win in a fight. So Thor would win in this fight. If I got something wrong I'm sure someone will let me know. LOLThat's what they always do. I myself haven't voted just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blue Flame Posted May 20, 2011 Author Share Posted May 20, 2011 That's what they always do. I myself haven't voted just yet. It is annoying to me people voted and didn't comment. First it's stupid speak up and debate.. at least say why they voting one way or a other. On top of that I made this to learn about both of them more and who people thinks would win. I'm looking forward to what you think about this match G4 actually ^.^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Well I voted for Darkseid because I don't think anyone can change my mind about it. As for the Omega Beams, bigballerju how so we know that Thor can block it? The OB managed to hurt the Spectre who is way above Thor. Even if he can block the beams or even the omega effect, Darkseid still has too many ways to win here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Well I voted for Darkseid because I don't think anyone can change my mind about it. As for the Omega Beams, bigballerju how so we know that Thor can block it? The OB managed to hurt the Spectre who is way above Thor. Even if he can block the beams or even the omega effect, Darkseid still has too many ways to win here. I gave the reasons which Thor could block or counter the Omega Blast. Thor could counter with the god blast, anti-force, block it with his hammer, or hell if he went into Berserker Rage would be able to take it with no problem even more then Superman can. People keep bringing up Darkseid using it on Spectre. He hurt the Spectre with it? I would tell you to pull a scan up but thats not needed. Superman can take the blast and Batman has dodged it. Thor has many ways with what I listed to survive it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comic_book_fan Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 darkseid win pretty easily dakseid is stronger smarter more durable telepathy he shuts down thor's mind easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 I gave the reasons which Thor could block or counter the Omega Blast. Thor could counter with the god blast, anti-force, block it with his hammer, or hell if he went into Berserker Rage would be able to take it with no problem even more then Superman can. People keep bringing up Darkseid using it on Spectre. He hurt the Spectre with it? I would tell you to pull a scan up but thats not needed. Superman can take the blast and Batman has dodged it. Thor has many ways with what I listed to survive it.I saw that the first time, I was just saying how do we know something like the god blast will block the omega beams? Why don't you need the scan of hitting the Spectre? Even though it didn't kill Supes, it still messes him up. What if DS makes copies of himself, how would Thor counter something like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 I saw that the first time, I was just saying how do we know something like the god blast will block the omega beams? Why don't you need the scan of hitting the Spectre? Even though it didn't kill Supes, it still messes him up. What if DS makes copies of himself, how would Thor counter something like that? Darkseid won't resort to making copies because they would be useless and a waste of power. Thats why he doesn't even do it and hardly ever does. Telepathy won't work on Thor because he is too powerful for that. The God Blast was powerful enough to hurt a Celestial. Thor is just as powerful as Darkseid. Look at the powers Methos posted for both men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comic_book_fan Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Darkseid won't resort to making copies because they would be useless and a waste of power. Thats why he doesn't even do it and hardly ever does. Telepathy won't work on Thor because he is too powerful for that. The God Blast was powerful enough to hurt a Celestial. Thor is just as powerful as Darkseid. Look at the powers Methos posted for both men.telepathy will work thor is not to powerful telepathically his other powers don't matter because he does not have any telepathic defenses .the god blast won't work on darkseid because he is to powerful lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xman4life Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Darkseid won't resort to making copies because they would be useless and a waste of power. Thats why he doesn't even do it and hardly ever does. Telepathy won't work on Thor because he is too powerful for that. The God Blast was powerful enough to hurt a Celestial. Thor is just as powerful as Darkseid. Look at the powers Methos posted for both men.Ok here is an interesting debate. THOR COULD win. Thor can time travel as well. He is a god so i doubt he would be de evloved. Thor also has the god blast that im sure would kill darkseid. a celestial is more powerful than odin and odin himself could utterly cream darkseid AND Superman together and if thors god blast could hurt one of them then im pretty sure he could kill darkseid. it would be a good match though. SN: honestly in a real fight thor using all of his powers and superman using all of his thor would win 10/10 times. thor has wayyyyyyy too much power at his disposal and thor has proven that speed blitzing him wouldn't work and Thor is a wayyy better fighter than supes also so im pretty sure it would be a good match also but Supes just being real could never beat Thor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Omega11 Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 As for the Omega Beams, bigballerju how so we know that Thor can block it? If Wonder Woman's bracelets have blocked it, then I'm sure Mjolnir can do the same. This fight could go either way depending on who does what at what time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 telepathy will work thor is not to powerful telepathically his other powers don't matter because he does not have any telepathic defenses .the god blast won't work on darkseid because he is to powerful lol.That's what I am saying Darkseid's essence was tearing the multi verse apart in Final Crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 If Wonder Woman's bracelets have blocked it, then I'm sure Mjolnir can do the same. This fight could go either way depending on who does what at what time.Well that worked for her but she is from DC. Marvel is different from DC, Superman noted how different it is. Meaning that things DC characters do to Marvel could work differently. I could be wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Telepathy won't work on Thor because he is too powerful for that. Go read some comics with Thor and come back again. Have you ever heard about Moondragon ? She's a telepath that mind controlled the population of a planet in order to stop a war, at the same time she(and I quote) "while telepathically enslaving the thunder god Thor as her personal lover." Suffice to say, Telepathy definitely works on Thor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Go read some comics with Thor and come back again. Have you ever heard about Moondragon ? She's a telepath that mind controlled the population of a planet in order to stop a war, at the same time she(and I quote) "while telepathically enslaving the thunder god Thor as her personal lover." Suffice to say, Telepathy definitely works on Thor. I am saying for this match if Thor loses it won't be by telepathy. Now Thor's Hammer is more powerful then Wonder Woman's bracelets. It would block the Omega blast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 I am saying for this match if Thor loses it won't be by telepathyWhy not? Darkseid could be impressed with Thor's powers and decide to make him his puppet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xman4life Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Go read some comics with Thor and come back again. Have you ever heard about Moondragon ? She's a telepath that mind controlled the population of a planet in order to stop a war, at the same time she(and I quote) "while telepathically enslaving the thunder god Thor as her personal lover." Suffice to say, Telepathy definitely works on Thor.Because Thor is more powerful than then so it's up for debate. but that aside its pretty damn even. Thors god blast would definantly kill darkseid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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