Thor vs. Darkseid

[comic_book_fan]

Because Thor is more powerful than then so it's up for debate. but that aside its pretty damn even. Thors god blast would definantly kill darkseid.

if darkseid did not teleport out of the way.

and thor still does not have any telepathic defense.

[Guest bigballerju]

if darkseid did not teleport out of the way.

and thor still does not have any telepathic defense.

 

Thor could dodge the Omega Blast too since he can fly at light speed or take it without being hurt because of his Berserker Rage.

 

Darkseid won't beat Thor with telepathy because Thor's mind is very powerful and he is not weak.

 

Its the same reasons Darkseid hasn't beat Superman by telepathy or controlled him. The same goes for Batman.

 

If you have a powerful mind Darkseid won't be able to.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

Because Thor is more powerful than then so it's up for debate. but that aside its pretty damn even. Thors god blast would definantly kill darkseid.

You are under estimating the power of Darkseid's mind. During Emperor Joker, Joker was a multi verse threat (Spectre say he will destroy everything and everything that will be), Joker managed to get Spectre under his control, but Darkseid wasn't effected.

[Guest xman4life]

You are under estimating the power of Darkseid's mind. During Emperor Joker, Joker was a multi verse threat (Spectre say he will destroy everything and everything that will be), Joker managed to get Spectre under his control, but Darkseid wasn't effected.

That was his WILL not his defense against it. he has a strong will.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

That was his WILL not his defense against it. he has a strong will.

Uhh will power comes from the mind

[Guest sirmethos]

Thor could dodge the Omega Blast too since he can fly at light speed or take it without being hurt because of his Berserker Rage.

 

Darkseid won't beat Thor with telepathy because Thor's mind is very powerful and he is not weak.

 

Its the same reasons Darkseid hasn't beat Superman by telepathy or controlled him. The same goes for Batman.

 

If you have a powerful mind Darkseid won't be able to.

 

1. The only way Thor could 'take' the Omega Blast is if it hits Mjolnir, or if he deflects it with a blast of his own, even if he's in Berserker Rage, if the blast actually hits him, he's dead.

 

2. Darkseid has telepathically controlled Supergirl in the past, he has also mind controlled Superman for a brief period of time. A powerful mind doesn't do anything against Darkseid's telepathy if you don't have any telepathic defense, which Thor doesn't have.

 

3. As for Thor dodging the Omega Blast by flying at Lightspeed... Superman is faster than Thor, and Superman still gets hit by it.

 

and finally, 4. If Thor uses the God Blast to deflect the Omega Blast, then Thor is dead. Using the God Blast leaves him severely weakened, in which case he would be an easy target for Darkseid.

[Guest bigballerju]

1. The only way Thor could 'take' the Omega Blast is if it hits Mjolnir, or if he deflects it with a blast of his own, even if he's in Berserker Rage, if the blast actually hits him, he's dead.

 

2. Darkseid has telepathically controlled Supergirl in the past, he has also mind controlled Superman for a brief period of time. A powerful mind doesn't do anything against Darkseid's telepathy if you don't have any telepathic defense, which Thor doesn't have.

 

3. As for Thor dodging the Omega Blast by flying at Lightspeed... Superman is faster than Thor, and Superman still gets hit by it.

 

and finally, 4. If Thor uses the God Blast to deflect the Omega Blast, then Thor is dead. Using the God Blast leaves him severely weakened, in which case he would be an easy target for Darkseid.

 

So if Superman can take the blast why can't Thor?

 

Thor is actually more powerful you said yourself then Supes.

 

Thor could deflect the blast with his hammer and it was one of the options I said.

 

Now if Thor were to use the God Blast wouldn't it put down Darkseid for good or Ko him?

 

Darkseid was only able to control Superman once and I don't think he could hold him for long.

 

I mean if Thor is more powerful then Superman like we all agree.

 

Why are people now telling me he couldn't beat Darkseid?

 

By people I mean everyone commenting and voting to Darkseid wins.

[Darkender]

This is Basic Thor, right? So why do people keep bringing up these non-basic feats. Darksied has too many ways to beat Thor. Though Thor might be able to deflect the OB with his Hammer he is still physically and mentally weaker than Darksied. Darksied wins after a good fight.

[Guest LoneWolf]

Darkseid's telepathy is conditional. It only exists as a plot device. Otherwise why wouldn't he, for example, read the deactivation codes for the bombs Batman planted in the episode described earlier?

[OMFG]

This one is kind of hard for me too argue about....

I'm just going for Thor.

We all know Thor can THROW Mjolnir at twice the speed of light.

TWICE THE SPEED OF LIGHT

I just imagine that it would hurt.... maybe a little bit.

As for the Omega Beams being so powerful, Wonder Woman proves other wise

[The Blue Flame]

Darkseid's telepathy is conditional. It only exists as a plot device. Otherwise why wouldn't he, for example, read the deactivation codes for the bombs Batman planted in the episode described earlier?

 

 

That's noncan due to the that it was a cartoon.

[Guest tomisntblue]

That's noncan due to the that it was a cartoon.

 

That cartoon was directly adapted from a comic.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

That's noncan due to the that it was a cartoon.

It happened in the comics the same way, but yes Lone Wolf he didn't use it on Batman, but he mind controlled Kara. Maybe Batman's extreme will power kept him out maybe it is just PIS. It doesn't change the fact that Seid can use telepathy to take out Thor.

[Guest bigballerju]

Batman/Superman: Supergirl the comic where it happened is cannon.

 

Seriously

 

If Supergirl was able to break it.

 

What makes people think Thor can't?

 

So wait people on CBUB think Thor can beat Superman and not Darkseid?

 

LOL this is interesting.

[The Blue Flame]

That cartoon was directly adapted from a comic.

 

Then they should have explain why he didn't try.

 

It happened in the comics the same way, but yes Lone Wolf he didn't use it on Batman, but he mind controlled Kara. Maybe Batman's extreme will power kept him out maybe it is just PIS. It doesn't change the fact that Seid can use telepathy to take out Thor.

 

Maybe, Batman super power is his mind after all.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

Batman/Superman: Supergirl the comic where it happened is cannon.

 

Seriously

 

If Supergirl was able to break it.

 

What makes people think Thor can't?

 

So wait people on CBUB think Thor can beat Superman and not Darkseid?

 

LOL this is interesting.

Personally I think Supes vs Thor is 50/50 depending the circumstances. Anyway I thought Kara broke the mind control because Superman interfered, here in this fight Thor has no outside help.

 

Even if Thor can beat Superman, doesn't mean Thor will beat Darkseid. Using your logic Deathstroke can and has beaten Batman, Wonder Woman can beat Batman, so Deathstroke can beat Wonder Woman. You see how that logic doesn't work?

[The Blue Flame]

Personally I think Supes vs Thor is 50/50 depending the circumstances. Anyway I thought Kara broke the mind control because Superman interfered, here in this fight Thor has no outside help.

 

It's debatable that Thor has a stronger will then Kara.

[Guest sirmethos]

Batman/Superman: Supergirl the comic where it happened is cannon.

 

Seriously

 

If Supergirl was able to break it.

 

What makes people think Thor can't?

 

So wait people on CBUB think Thor can beat Superman and not Darkseid?

 

LOL this is interesting.

 

in an actual fight(comics mechanics/PIS not withstanding) Superman wouldn't beat Darkseid either.

 

and Supergirl didn't break the mind control, Darkseid stopped controlling her.

 

Same thing for Superman(once Darkseid had gotten what he wanted in that specific case).

[Guest bigballerju]

in an actual fight(comics mechanics/PIS not withstanding) Superman wouldn't beat Darkseid either.

 

and Supergirl didn't break the mind control, Darkseid stopped controlling her.

 

Same thing for Superman(once Darkseid had gotten what he wanted in that specific case).

 

I don't use PIS and say someone would win without it. If in the comics the people who own the comic company say Superman can beat Darkseid then he can. No matter how stupid the decisions the Companys like DC or Marvel make. Thats just my opinion on that.

 

Darkseid losing to some stupid god bullet fired backwards in time was the dumbest thing they ever came up with.

 

In a fight Darkseid alway either fights or shoots his omega beams first. He never uses telepathy in a fight and only uses that towards a specific goal.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

I don't use PIS and say someone would win without it. If in the comics the people who own the comic company say Superman can beat Darkseid then he can. No matter how stupid the decisions the Companys like DC or Marvel. Thats just my opinion on that.

 

Darkseid losing to some stupid god bullet fired backwards in time was the dumbest thing they ever came up with.

So if DC said Green Arrow could beat Superman in a foot race you wouldn't question it cause they said so?

 

And bad writing should not be used against characters...

[The Blue Flame]

And bad writing should not be used against characters...

 

Agreed.

[Guest LoneWolf]

IMO the way the A>B, B>C so A>C thing works is if when measured using a similar power or skill, say strength.

 

Example: Colossus is stronger than Thing, Juggernaut is stronger than Colossus...Juggernaut is deffinatly stronger than Thing.

 

A way it wouldn't work is using diff power sets say... Spiderman beat Juggernaut, Lizard has beaten Spiderman...now Lizard can beat Juggernaut. That is using whole different skills/abilities.

[Guest bigballerju]

So if DC said Green Arrow could beat Superman in a foot race you wouldn't question it cause they said so?

 

And bad writing should not be used against characters...

 

My point is there are certain things you don't argue like what you think is offical in a comic and what the company that owns the comic says is offical.

 

At the end of the day its there characters and comics.

 

Whatever stupid crap they do always bites them in the ass come sales time.

[Guest sirmethos]

My point is there are certain things you don't argue like what you think is offical in a comic and what the company that owns the comic says is offical.

 

At the end of the day its there characters and comics.

 

Whatever stupid crap they do always bites them in the ass come sales time.

 

So, Spider-Man can defeat Firelord, Black Panther can physically restrain the Silver Surfer and Squirrel Girl can defeat Thanos, after all, all those fights were canon.

 

In that case, Thor definitely loses.

 

He was taken out, a long with the other avengers, by Magneto. Darkseid is easily more powerful than Magneto.

 

 

Sites like this, is to find out "who would actually win in a fight between X and Y", thus, we have to look at the actual capabilities of the characters and discard various results of bad writing, like the examples I provided above.

 

 

For example, Thor in Berserker Rage lost to Professor Hulk, after Hulk got a grenade splinter lodged in his brain. Hulk easily punted Thor away from the battle field when the military launched nukes to take out Hulk, who was at the time considered to have gone insane.

 

Another example, Thor lost to the weakest version of the Destroyer so far(controlled by some random military guy), and was actually killed, before Odin's Raven in human form(his name eludes me right now) forced Hela to send him back.

 

 

Now, personally, I prefer to discard the results of bad writing, but if you want, we can include things like that, in which case Thor doesn't stand a chance.

[Guest Falcon]

I would just like to point out that you all keep saying that if Superman can take hits from the Omega effect, so can Thor. The reason Supes can take hits is because it has been stated through the years that for no known reason, a Kryptonian that has been saturated with yellow sun radiation is not effected by it the same as everyone else. That is why, Superman, Supergirl, and Doomsday have been able to be hit by it and not die.

 

This exert was taken from a friend in another match that just ended.

Wow, I can't believe the level of bias folks will have. No limit to it either.

 

Just 2 ridiculous points read in these posts are worth a whole discussion in itself:

 

1) Superman beats Seid in few hits (???????), quite easily (????????), on a regular basis (????????)

2) Darkseid getting pawned by Bats (?????).

 

Darkseid: Lets see, and I want someone to top this feat with a reasonable argument that will topple the one being Seid faced in one on one combat. The Source. The Source, one rung below God: Created the New Gods, the New Gods Universe, Source Wall, has no limitations with regards to powers, thought, time, speed, etc. etc. etc. etc. Seid faced him on on one, after discovering the route to his 'backdoor' , whereby he could temporarily (I repeat only temporarily) barricade only a fraction of his powers, allowing Seid the teensy weensy window to get his best shot in. Let me know, who Storm or Surfer faced off who directly 'created' their end of the universe. And please, do not being instances of 'that unkown celestial' who was also considered a God, and that low key 4th grade 'universal force' whom no one knows. Kindly state it, and do it right, matching or topping the Source's powers. Galactus isn't it either. He is a small 'key' in his own neck of the universe, a force of nature. Source is a creator, of beings like the New Gods, no less. No match.

 

2) Surfer would have beaten Panther (????) I am sorry, technically I could believe it. I know that out of a wee element of fairness, folks make excuses for this highly underacheiving character. Skaar's forces, Panther, Rulk, Hulk, FF, Panther again; (might be more) time and time again, Surfer's been embarassed to no end. HE IS NOT BEATING SEID. NOT IN HIS WILDEST DREAMS. NOT IN THIS OR ANY NECK OF THE UNIVERSE.

 

Another point I humbly address: The setup in every way goes against Darkseid. 3 minutes? Technically, with his portal and dimension powers, he could end it in seconds. If he is assaulting earth, he will have done his homework on the type of powerful beings it can cough up. Asking who Surfer is is a bit against the norm. Even if he didn't know, in his conquest mode, it is unlikely Storm or Surfer can withstand the Sanction. There is no escaping it, no thwarting it, no outrunning it. It lands on 'intended target', no matter where it is. But, since he needs Storm as a queen, and Surfer as a herald, he obviously can not destroy them. Hence, not event he Omega effect. Even without his most potent two tools, he has:

i) Boom tube to a prison dimension for Storm. Instant tele. Better yet, even with the slightest hint from motherbox, contain her in a closed space. That will knock some sense into her, being claustrophobic.

ii) Same concotion he used to become immune and adapt to Source's powers to match both Storm and Surfer's.

iii) Use Omega effect to instantly channel Storm into a 'comfortable' place

 

this is the smarter, more powerful Seid we saw during the 'Countdown', and who topped it all by facing his own 'creator'. The only New God to actually stand toe to toe with the Source. That one feat erases the previous inconsistencies so heavily it is not even funny.

 

Sorry, Seid has too much, against too little here. SEID OWNS.

 

I think Baneblades explaination on how Darkseid defeats Silver Surfer is proof why he would win here.