Nate Grey(x-man) VS Darkseid

[Guest xman4life]

Nate Grey only has 3 powers, 2 of which he can use for various effects.

 

1. Telepathy.

 

2. Telekinesis.

 

3. Astral Plane Tap.

 

The Astral Plane Tap is the reason he has nigh-unlimited energy, which he can use to 'boost' his Telepathy and Telekinesis.

 

 

Now, in a battle against Darkseid, his Telekinesis is useless, since Darkseid has no problem living without a body.

 

In a battle of Telepathy, Nate Grey loses.

 

Why? quite simple, for the same reason as Xavier is still called the most powerful mind on earth. Skills and Experience.

 

It's the same reason that Nate Grey lost a telepathic match against Mr. Sinister, it's the same reason Jean Grey lost a brief telepathic match against Exodus, just to give a few examples.

 

Nate has raw power, there is absolutely no doubt about that, but Darkseid has raw power as well, though less than Nate(in pure telepathy and telekinesis), but Nate's skills are not even in the top 10 in the Marvel universe, and his Experience is practically non-existant. On top of this he is, mentally and emotionally, an easily manipulated adolescent. While Darkseid is an immortal being with literally Millions of years of experience and one of THE most skilled telepaths in the DC universe.

 

 

Bottom Line: Darkseid wins any fight between the two of them.

 

 

Aside from that

 

"near omnipotent i posted a scan"

 

does the word 'context' mean anything to you? how about 'hyperbole'? those little boxes that, in your scan, called Nate 'Near Omnipotent', has also called Odin 'all-powerful', they have called Nightcrawler an 'elf', they have called Juggernaut 'unstoppable', they have called Cyclops 'fearless', they have said that Bullseye 'never misses'.

 

However, there is a group of Celestials that can tell you that Odin is NOT 'all-powerful', simple genetics will tell you that Nightcrawler is NOT an 'elf', he is a mutant, there are quite a few people that can tell you that Juggernaut is NOT 'unstoppable', Daredevil can tell you that Bullseye DOES in fact miss his target once in a while, and just reading a few comics can tell you that Cyclops is NOT 'fearless'. The same goes for Nate, as I already said, he is NOT 'near omnipotent', he has Nigh-Unlimited Energy, there is a VAST difference.

 

"near phoenix force I posted a scan."

 

Uh.. no, you posted a scan that says Nate's psionic energy level is roughly equal to Dark Phoenix. that =/= being equal to the Phoenix Force. the Phoenix Force is a Cosmic, Nigh-omnipotent, entity. Nate Grey is an extremely(obscenely) powerful Psionic. VAST difference.

 

"having unlimited mental abilities I posted it."

 

he has NIGH-unlimited psionic energy. noone is denying that.

I said full potential. not regular nate. regular nate has trouble controlling his vast power. Buuuuuuuut If you are agreeing that he is more powerful than darkseid mentally then like I said he could win because of all of the thing he could do to darkseid mental. and what power is time travel "plank walk"? I didn't see that one on your list. Darkseid physically wins nate(full potential) mentally wins. So its a tie or who every gets the first hit.

[Guest Falcon]

I said full potential. not regular nate. regular nate has trouble controlling his vast power. Buuuuuuuut If you are agreeing that he is more powerful than darkseid mentally then like I said he could win because of all of the thing he could do to darkseid mental. and what power is time travel "plank walk"? I didn't see that one on your list. Darkseid physically wins nate(full potential) mentally wins. So its a tie or who every gets the first hit.

No because even if Nate was stronger mentally. Darkseid is more skilled with his telepathy and could hold Nate back until Darkseid had obliterated him.

[Guest sirmethos]

I said full potential. not regular nate. regular nate has trouble controlling his vast power. Buuuuuuuut If you are agreeing that he is more powerful than darkseid mentally then like I said he could win because of all of the thing he could do to darkseid mental. and what power is time travel "plank walk"? I didn't see that one on your list. Darkseid physically wins nate(full potential) mentally wins. So its a tie or who every gets the first hit.

 

Apparently you didn't read my post.

 

Mentally, Darkseid wins, for the same reason as Mr. Sinister won against Nate, and the same reason that Exodus won against Jean Grey.

 

his skills and experience are FAR superior.

 

 

And his time-travel is an effect of his Telekinesis, just like his dimensional traveling.

 

Nate only has 3 powers. everything he does is an effect of one of those 3.

[Guest Artemis Entreri]

Apparently you didn't read my post.

 

Mentally, Darkseid wins, for the same reason as Mr. Sinister won against Nate, and the same reason that Exodus won against Jean Grey.

 

his skills and experience are FAR superior.

 

 

And his time-travel is an effect of his Telekinesis, just like his dimensional traveling.

 

Nate only has 3 powers. everything he does is an effect of one of those 3.

 

Nate is more Powerful Mentally than anything Darkseid could imagine.... Nate at full Potential is in fact near Omni-Potent. He not only broke Xavier down, he pulled his Astral form into reality... Xavier had no answer for how he did this... But you are saying he loses to experience... this is negated by the fact xman4life stated...(at Full potential) meaning at his best...!

[Guest xman4life]

Nate is more Powerful Mentally than anything Darkseid could imagine.... Nate at full Potential is in fact near Omni-Potent. He not only broke Xavier down, he pulled his Astral form into reality... Xavier had no answer for how he did this... But you are saying he loses to experience... this is negated by the fact xman4life stated...(at Full potential) meaning at his best...!

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!

[Guest Falcon]

Nate is more Powerful Mentally than anything Darkseid could imagine.... Nate at full Potential is in fact near Omni-Potent. He not only broke Xavier down, he pulled his Astral form into reality... Xavier had no answer for how he did this... But you are saying he loses to experience... this is negated by the fact xman4life stated...(at Full potential) meaning at his best...!

and like he explained to Xman4life down there, Nate is powerful but Darkseid has tons more experience with his mental powers making him effectively more dangerous. Nate is like a hammer and Darkseid is like a knife. Being hit by a haammer is gonna hurt bad but a knife is gonna be fatal and more precise. Nate has had a couple of years experience as oppose to Darkseid's thousands of years of experience. The fight would probably end with Nate being Darkseid's new toy against Superman.

 

Nate is nowhere near omnipotent. You need to look up the word before you use it. Nate could possibly have omnipresence but he IS NOT omnipotent. Darkseid is highly more powerful considering he can transmutate matter, disperse matter, flat out erase things from existence, etc.

 

Again you all seem to keep dodging the fact that is his more recent showings he was captured by Norman Osborn. He was captured by a human being and hel prisoner by him.

 

Honestly Darkseid has shown better telepathy. He has had around 2 billion people mind controlled at once. He could speak and act through them all at once as well.

[Guest Artemis Entreri]

and like he explained to Xman4life down there, Nate is powerful but Darkseid has tons more experience with his mental powers making him effectively more dangerous. Nate is like a hammer and Darkseid is like a knife. Being hit by a haammer is gonna hurt bad but a knife is gonna be fatal and more precise. Nate has had a couple of years experience as oppose to Darkseid's thousands of years of experience. The fight would probably end with Nate being Darkseid's new toy against Superman.

 

Nate is nowhere near omnipotent. You need to look up the word before you use it. Nate could possibly have omnipresence but he IS NOT omnipotent. Darkseid is highly more powerful considering he can transmutate matter, disperse matter, flat out erase things from existence, etc.

 

Again you all seem to keep dodging the fact that is his more recent showings he was captured by Norman Osborn. He was captured by a human being and hel prisoner by him.

 

Honestly Darkseid has shown better telepathy. He has had around 2 billion people mind controlled at once. He could speak and act through them all at once as well.

 

Falcon, I clearly know what Omnipotent means... I'm nowhere near a novice of this site are in comics. Anyway, You are the one in fact dodging the Concept that xman4life stated: AT FULL POTENTIAL!!!!!!

[Guest Falcon]

Falcon, I clearly know what Omnipotent means... I'm nowhere near a novice of this site are in comics. Anyway, You are the one in fact dodging the Concept that xman4life stated: AT FULL POTENTIAL!!!!!!

Obviously you dont if you are saying Nate is omnipotent.

 

Nate cant creat life and erase things from existence. Darkseid can with a thought. Darkseid is easily more powerful here. Dont get me wrong, Nate is powerful but not compared to a being with limitless power and thousands of years of experience with those powers.

 

Again you both seem to keep dodging the fact that is his more recent showings he was captured by Norman Osborn. He was captured by a human being and hel prisoner by him.

 

Honestly Darkseid has shown better telepathy. He has had around 2 billion people mind controlled at once. He could speak and act through them all at once as well.

[Guest Artemis Entreri]

Obviously you dont if you are saying Nate is omnipotent.

 

I said AT FULL POTENTIAL He is (Near) Omnipotent.

 

Nate cant creat life and erase things from existence. Darkseid can with a thought. Darkseid is easily more powerful here. Dont get me wrong, Nate is powerful but not compared to a being with limitless power and thousands of years of experience with those powers.

 

Again as I posted on the thread before, Nate has very limited material sources based on his short run in Marvel. Darkseid on the other hand has a plethora of comics and feats.... Still it does not make him better. In fact Batman has a bigger comic catalog and more feats that Darkseid but Darkseid would win a fight between the two... So more feats does not mean better.

 

Again you both seem to keep dodging the fact that is his more recent showings he was captured by Norman Osborn. He was captured by a human being and hel prisoner by him.

 

What part of "At Full Potential" don't you comprehend? The Nate you speak of is not the one we are discussing here.

 

Honestly Darkseid has shown better telepathy. He has had around 2 billion people mind controlled at once. He could speak and act through them all at once as well.

 

Please! It's a well known fact the Professor X could tap into the full populous of the Earth's 7+ billion inhabitants.... Xavier admited Nate Grey far outclassed him. 7 Billion> 2 Billion!!! Nate Grey wins mentally every time!

[Guest Falcon]

I said AT FULL POTENTIAL He is (Near) Omnipotent.

 

 

 

Again as I posted on the thread before, Nate has very limited material sources based on his short run in Marvel. Darkseid on the other hand has a plethora of comics and feats.... Still it does not make him better. In fact Batman has a bigger comic catalog and more feats that Darkseid but Darkseid would win a fight between the two... So more feats does not mean better.

 

 

 

What part of "At Full Potential" don't you comprehend? The Nate you speak of is not the one we are discussing here.

 

 

 

Please! It's a well know fact the Professor X could tap into the full populous of the Earth's 7+ billion inhabitants.... Xavier admit Nate Grey far outclassed him. 7 Billion> 2 Billion!!! Nate Grey wins mentally every time!

1. No he isnt. He is near omnipresence. Omnipotent means he can create and do anything at his whim. He could create the universe and all its beings if he is omnipotent. Nate is near omnipresence because he can be almost anywhere at any time. The IG makes someone omnipotent and Nate is nowhere near that powerful.

 

2. It doesnt matter the amount of material. It matters what he has done in that material. Dakseid has been shown to be far superior. Also AGAIN Darkseid's thousands of years of experience vs Nate's couple years of experience.

 

3. Nate ALWAYS has the possibility of being full potential. Thats why he is a coveted character by heroes and villians and he was still captured by Osborn of all beings.

 

4. Xavier struggles to do it with the help of cerebro. Manhunter speaks to the entire Earth without help with ease and Darkseid is more powerful than him in that department. So yes, Nate still loses there too.

[Guest Artemis Entreri]

1. No he isnt. He is near omnipresence. Omnipotent means he can create and do anything at his whim. He could create the universe and all its beings if he is omnipotent. Nate is near omnipresence because he can be almost anywhere at any time. The IG makes someone omnipotent and Nate is nowhere near that powerful.

 

This is why I said Near Omnipotent.

 

2. It doesnt matter the amount of material. It matters what he has done in that material. Dakseid has been shown to be far superior. Also AGAIN Darkseid's thousands of years of experience vs Nate's couple years of experience.

 

Agreed, except when a person state AT FULL POTENTIAL that means at their best including experience at using said powers.

 

3. Nate ALWAYS has the possibility of being full potential. Thats why he is a coveted character by heroes and villians and he was still captured by Osborn of all beings.

 

That was a two year ago Nate not knowing his own potential and powers....As oppose to a Nate(which we are discussing here...) at his FULL POTENTIAL!

 

 

4. Xavier struggles to do it with the help of cerebro. Manhunter speaks to the entire Earth without help with ease and Darkseid is more powerful than him in that department. So yes, Nate still loses there too.

 

How? Cause you said MM can do it and Darkseid is better than MM. What has any of that got to do with Nate? Nate Dwarfs Professor X, Marvel greatest telepathy, and you say that doesn't count because Darkseid is better than MM! Huh? What I miss?

[Guest Falcon]

This is why I said Near Omnipotent.

 

 

 

Agreed, except when a person state AT FULL POTENTIAL that means at their best including experience at using said powers.

 

 

 

That was a two year ago Nate not knowing his own potential and powers....As oppose to a Nate(which we are discussing here...) at his FULL POTENTIAL!

 

 

 

 

How? Cause you said MM can do it and Darkseid is better than MM. What has any of that got to do with Nate? Nate Dwarfs Professor X, Marvel greatest telepathy, and you say that doesn't count because Darkseid is better than MM! Huh? What I miss?

1. Thats nowhere NEAR omnipotent.

 

2. Nate's BEST experience with his powers is a few years use of them. Darkseid has him on experience by about a millinium.

 

3. ok

 

4. MM is Dwarf's Xaviers telepathy ability and Darkseid Dwarf's MM. I just have not seen Nate perform ANY telepathy on the same magnitude as Darkseid. Its like sirmethos pointed out not long ago. Juggs is said to be unstoppable but he has been stopped, Cyclops is said to be fearless but has been shown otherwise, etc. It says Nate dwarf's Xavier in telepathy but he hasnt shown much proof of that in that department, Darkseid has. Also the reason Darkseid only mind controlled about 2 billion was becuase a majority of the Earth's people had been destroyed at the time.

[Guest Artemis Entreri]

1. Thats nowhere NEAR omnipotent.

 

2. Nate's BEST experience with his powers is a few years use of them. Darkseid has him on experience by about a millinium.

 

3. ok

 

4. MM is Dwarf's Xaviers telepathy ability and Darkseid Dwarf's MM. I just have not seen Nate perform ANY telepathy on the same magnitude as Darkseid. Its like sirmethos pointed out not long ago. Juggs is said to be unstoppable but he has been stopped, Cyclops is said to be fearless but has been shown otherwise, etc. It says Nate dwarf's Xavier in telepathy but he hasnt shown much proof of that in that department, Darkseid has. Also the reason Darkseid only mind controlled about 2 billion was becuase a majority of the Earth's people had been destroyed at the time.

 

1. Agreed

 

2. Concedes (On grounds that we will need to see more from Nate)

 

3. Thanks

 

4. As I said the source material is limited. But I will say Nate is revered as a Psionic God. But I will agreed to disagreed with you here. Good job and good debated.

[Guest xman4life]

1. Agreed

 

2. Concedes (On grounds that we will need to see more from Nate)

 

3. Thanks

 

4. As I said the source material is limited. But I will say Nate is revered as a Psionic God. But I will agreed to disagreed with you here. Good job and good debated.

Oh allow me artemis. Mentally at full potential is equal to dark phoenix. I posted the scan so CASE CLOSED.

Ok now AT FULL POTENTIAL he is equal to dark phoenix. That alone trumps darkseid. So mentally yeah he does win.

[Guest Falcon]

Oh allow me artemis. Mentally at full potential is equal to dark phoenix. I posted the scan so CASE CLOSED.

Ok now AT FULL POTENTIAL he is equal to dark phoenix. That alone trumps darkseid. So mentally yeah he does win.

Actually no he doesnt. He is by no means as powerful as any form of the Pheonix. He may be close but he isnt equal.

 

On another note Artemis and I have come to agreements here.

 

 

 

To Artemis Entreri: It was nice and fun debating with someone who doesnt just repeat ubsurd claims the whole time unlike someone. At least you and I can come to agreements on both sides of things.