comic_book_fan Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 professor x has effected the minds of a skrull and used there mental energies to hid the x-men from galactus and onslaught is a amped up Xavier combined with an amped up magneto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 So now Darkseid wins easily? DC people need to stop licking toads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 It's almost depressing to see so many people, with so little knowledge about the character they're supporting. At least it would be if it wasn't hilarious. Approximately 5 hours left C'mon, I'll give you a hint. Just think of what you know about Onslaught at full power. It should be obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xman4life Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Comics Mechanics -shrug- He's the villain so of course he won't win permanently. He has won Temporarily on several occasions though. De-evolving would probably work, as would time travel. However, I did point out that the easiest way for Darkseid to win did not involve superior power, which both of those methods do. No brownie points. Maybe a consolation cookie though a fully powered onslaught still needs something to feed off of so i guess he could just kill whoever is empowering him or get rid of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 a fully powered onslaught still needs something to feed off of so i guess he could just kill whoever is empowering him or get rid of them. Exactly! Full Powered Onslaught, i.e. the version of him that took on most of the Marvel heroes, was powered by Franklin and Nate Grey. In the comics, he was depowered so they could take him on, by Thor flying through his 'body', and pulling the two kids out. All Darkseid has to do, is take out the two helpless mutants that gives Onslaught most of his power, and ét violá, we're down to Standard Onslaught, who only has the power of Xavier and Magneto. And against Pre-Crisis Darkseid, Standard Onslaught doesn't stand a chance. Major brownie points for Xman4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xman4life Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Exactly! Full Powered Onslaught, i.e. the version of him that took on most of the Marvel heroes, was powered by Franklin and Nate Grey. In the comics, he was depowered so they could take him on, by Thor flying through his 'body', and pulling the two kids out. All Darkseid has to do, is take out the two helpless mutants that gives Onslaught most of his power, and ét violá, we're down to Standard Onslaught, who only has the power of Xavier and Magneto. And against Pre-Crisis Darkseid, Standard Onslaught doesn't stand a chance. Major brownie points for Xman4life yum yum. fattening but good. i read the event a looooong time ago and loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rain Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 It's almost depressing to see so many people, with so little knowledge about the character they're supporting. At least it would be if it wasn't hilarious. Approximately 5 hours left C'mon, I'll give you a hint. Just think of what you know about Onslaught at full power. It should be obvious. The Problem being at full power Darkseid has NOTHING that can harm or stop Onslaught. What Darkseid sacrifice himself the way all those heroes did? Onslaught wins plain and simple. Onslaught stood up to all the heroes at once and was fine. The Hulk crap was kind of dumb but the sacrifice worked. Darksied dies plain and simple whether it be from the fight or sacrificing himself if he could some how get though to Onslaught as pure energy. He cant. Onslaught uses NAte's or Franklins powers to tear apart his very atoms and then drop said atoms into seperate realities where there is no escape. Ther fight does not last long enough for Daarkseid to do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 The Problem being at full power Darkseid has NOTHING that can harm or stop Onslaught. What Darkseid sacrifice himself the way all those heroes did? Onslaught wins plain and simple. Onslaught stood up to all the heroes at once and was fine. The Hulk crap was kind of dumb but the sacrifice worked. Darksied dies plain and simple whether it be from the fight or sacrificing himself if he could some how get though to Onslaught as pure energy. He cant. Onslaught uses NAte's or Franklins powers to tear apart his very atoms and then drop said atoms into seperate realities where there is no escape. Ther fight does not last long enough for Daarkseid to do anything. A few things I need to point out for you. 1. Darkseid doesn't need a physical body anymore than Onslaught does. In fact, to keep his full power, Onslaught needs a physical body in order to keep Nate and Franklin trapped and tap their power. 2. Once Onslaught loses the powers of Nate and Franklin(after 2 quick Omega Blasts), he is far less powerful than Darkseid in every way, especially Pre-Crisis Darkseid. 3. Multi-accounting is against the rules. 4. You shouldn't enter debates where you obviously know next to nothing about either of the characters involved, it just makes you look even more retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkender Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 I realize if I just follow SirMethos around I'll learn so much more about my favorite Chars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comic_book_fan Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 A few things I need to point out for you. 1. Darkseid doesn't need a physical body anymore than Onslaught does. In fact, to keep his full power, Onslaught needs a physical body in order to keep Nate and Franklin trapped and tap their power. 2. Once Onslaught loses the powers of Nate and Franklin(after 2 quick Omega Blasts), he is far less powerful than Darkseid in every way, especially Pre-Crisis Darkseid. 3. Multi-accounting is against the rules. 4. You shouldn't enter debates where you obviously know next to nothing about either of the characters involved, it just makes you look even more retarded.but what your forgetting is that it won't be that easy to hit onslaught with omega beams because his force fields are so strong i mean mags forcefield can take shots from galactus then you increase his powers with 3 omega level telepaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shellsbut Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Onslaught would destroy Darkseid plain and simple. In the comics Onslaught had little mastery over the power of both Xman and Richards. Oh he created an earth copy thats nothing. Nate has been stated as not only having the power level of/above Dark Phoenix and istated by Marvel writers as immeasurable power. Franklin Richards is stated as having unlimited reality warping abilities and on par/exceeding Celestials in power. Onslaught NEVER CAME CLOSE to reaching that point even after absorbing the two. Onslaught at full power would thus have those abilities as stated which equals Darkseid dead in 2 seconds no matter what version he is. He's dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Onslaught would destroy Darkseid plain and simple. In the comics Onslaught had little mastery over the power of both Xman and Richards. Oh he created an earth copy thats nothing. Nate has been stated as not only having the power level of/above Dark Phoenix and istated by Marvel writers as immeasurable power. Franklin Richards is stated as having unlimited reality warping abilities and on par/exceeding Celestials in power. Onslaught NEVER CAME CLOSE to reaching that point even after absorbing the two. Onslaught at full power would thus have those abilities as stated which equals Darkseid dead in 2 seconds no matter what version he is. He's dead. 1. Onslaught didn't create the Earth Copy, Franklin did that sub-consciously to save his parents. 2. Onslaught was at full power when he went up against the majority of the Marvel heroes(and lost). He had full access to the powers of Franklin and Nate at that point, but as you pointed out yourself, having the Power, is not the same as having Control. 3. When he went up against the majority of the Marvel heroes, he was severely weakened when Thor rescued Franklin and Nate. Darkseid could easily get the same effect by killing the two mutants, or de-evolving them, which would effectively remove their powers. Also, even without removing Franklin and Nate, Onslaught still has no protection against the Omega Blast(he needs a physical body to keep the two mutants trapped and tap their power), and he has no protection against being de-evolved. It is true that he has more raw Power than Darkseid, but raw power does not decide the winner, and Onslaught has absolutely No control over his power(aside from his original Xavier/Magneto powers), while Darkseid has Complete control of his powers. Bottom line, Onslaught dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest liljsantino Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 looks like we got a barn burner here folks lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 De-Evolve? I am sure I seen Darkseid do that? oh wait he doesn't do that. Darkseid lost to Superman by himself. Onslaught fought off all of Marvel Earth. Onslaught might have lost, but that is after he gave them hell. Darkseid has done wild things, but we can't use what his profile's powers are. Then we would have everyone kill everyone. For instance, Lolgan is really smart, but we never use that we only use his shown powers. If Darkseid hasn't used his powers (De-Evolve) in a while, then we can't really use that. Since Superman at one point could sneeze galaxies away, but now he can't, so we go by his current self. Onslaught has only one current self, when he was alive (unless you count him alive after House of M) based on that, Darkseid loses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 De-Evolve? I am sure I seen Darkseid do that? oh wait he doesn't do that. Darkseid lost to Superman by himself. Onslaught fought off all of Marvel Earth. Onslaught might have lost, but that is after he gave them hell. Darkseid has done wild things, but we can't use what his profile's powers are. Then we would have everyone kill everyone. For instance, Lolgan is really smart, but we never use that we only use his shown powers. If Darkseid hasn't used his powers (De-Evolve) in a while, then we can't really use that. Since Superman at one point could sneeze galaxies away, but now he can't, so we go by his current self. Onslaught has only one current self, when he was alive (unless you count him alive after House of M) based on that, Darkseid loses. Reading, you should try it. The Author of the 'setup', has stated that this is Pre-Crisis Darkseid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Falcon Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 If Darkseid hasn't used his powers (De-Evolve) in a while, then we can't really use that.So now we here at CBUB have the option to choose what powers the characters have and dont have in the DCU. Thats like saying I havent seen Magneto use anything but metal manipulation, so thats all he has now. I havent seen Franklin Richards use his powers so he must not have them anymore. Thats rediculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scar Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 The fact that Onslaught has any votes is mind boggling. Onslaught is a tremendously powerful mutant, but Pre Crisis Darkseid is a *god*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 So now we here at CBUB have the option to choose what powers the characters have and dont have in the DCU. Thats like saying I havent seen Magneto use anything but metal manipulation, so thats all he has now. I havent seen Franklin Richards use his powers so he must not have them anymore. Thats rediculous no but what is ridiculous is to always use a version of something that is old. And yes Franklin doesn't have his powers anymore so his most current version would not be able to use his powers. Magneto not using his other powers would be accurate. Unless we specify which version it is of course. and being a God is not an auto win, Shit Zeus ia a god too, he won't beat everyone. Omega Beams aren't all powerful, and if you have a bone to pick with "what" powers Darkseid has, then SHOW me when and how he "de-evolved" people. And how many times, IF it's just once in a while or one time, then that could be considered crap/filler/PIS/ whatever, but if has constanly done that, then sure he has that ability. Magneto is known for being able to stop peoples powers (Aoa) when he stopped Rogues to let them kiss and etc.. But he doesn't usually do that so we can say the same thing about that too. I just seen this so called Darkseid take on people that before was not a stomp and I hear the same people say that Darkseid wins instantly? He can't even beat Batman instantly, but now he can here? Darkseid "has" shown that he could beat everyone, but I can show you when he has lost and to who! Now will you tell me that doesn't count because of bad writing? Well wouldn't it be bad writing that they made him that powerful and then not? See my point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I agree that PC Seid would win, but he would not be able to devolve Onslaught. First of all, he never evolved in the first place, he was a being created from Xaviers dark side, what would he devolve too? Second, Only his outside armor is physical in the first place, a psionic body can't be devolved for obvious reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I agree that PC Seid would win, but he would not be able to devolve Onslaught. First of all, he never evolved in the first place, he was a being created from Xaviers dark side, what would he devolve too? Second, Only his outside armor is physical in the first place, a psionic body can't be devolved for obvious reasons. Actually, Apocalypse and Uatu stated that Onslaught was a new race, at least 2-3 steps in evolution, ahead of Mutants. Thus he could most definitely be de-evolved. A human has never been anything other than human, but de-evolving a human would not just turn him into a baby, it would turn him into a single-celled amoeba(if de-evolved sufficiently). How he was created has nothing to do with whether he can be de-evolved or not, the only thing that does, is his nature. A physical body is not required for de-evolving either. Keep in mind that Darkseid himself doesn't require a physical body either. It just means that either 1. a physical body would be created once he de-evolved to a stage where he needs one, or 2. he would simply die once he is de-evolved to an evolutionary stage where he needs a physical body to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Actually, Apocalypse and Uatu stated that Onslaught was a new race, at least 2-3 steps in evolution, ahead of Mutants. Thus he could most definitely be de-evolved. A human has never been anything other than human, but de-evolving a human would not just turn him into a baby, it would turn him into a single-celled amoeba(if de-evolved sufficiently). How he was created has nothing to do with whether he can be de-evolved or not, the only thing that does, is his nature. A physical body is not required for de-evolving either. Keep in mind that Darkseid himself doesn't require a physical body either. It just means that either 1. a physical body would be created once he de-evolved to a stage where he needs one, or 2. he would simply die once he is de-evolved to an evolutionary stage where he needs a physical body to survive.Do you have a scan? No, you cannot compare a human to Onslaught, because a human actually has evolutionary steps. It was born from genitic diversity. Onslaught wasn;t, he has no mother or father no mutation caused in egg or sperm cells, he probably dosen;t even have DNA. He was created, not born. Trying to devolve him would be like trying to devolve a robot. When, in either the MU or the DCU, has this happened? This has no cannon basis to it whatsoever, and is hypothetical at BEST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Do you have a scan? No, you cannot compare a human to Onslaught, because a human actually has evolutionary steps. It was born from genitic diversity. Onslaught wasn;t, he has no mother or father no mutation caused in egg or sperm cells, he probably dosen;t even have DNA. He was created, not born. Trying to devolve him would be like trying to devolve a robot. When, in either the MU or the DCU, has this happened? This has no cannon basis to it whatsoever, and is hypothetical at BEST. Onslaught is a being of psionic energy, he was created by a mix of Xavier's and Magneto's minds. He is a mix of two beings, just like any other child. Xavier and Magneto are, in essence, his parents. He is a next step in evolution, not a 'construct'. As for a scan. I don't have a scan lying on my computer, but it was in Onslaught Marvel Universe Vol 1 #1 from 1996. It should be relatively easy for you to find. If needs be, I'll see if I can download it and make a screenshot(the comics I have are in danish, so scanning my own comics wouldn't be of much help since you wouldn't be able to understand what they say in it anyway.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xman4life Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Onslaught is a being of psionic energy, he was created by a mix of Xavier's and Magneto's minds. He is a mix of two beings, just like any other child. Xavier and Magneto are, in essence, his parents. He is a next step in evolution, not a 'construct'. As for a scan. I don't have a scan lying on my computer, but it was in Onslaught Marvel Universe Vol 1 #1 from 1996. It should be relatively easy for you to find. If needs be, I'll see if I can download it and make a screenshot(the comics I have are in danish, so scanning my own comics wouldn't be of much help since you wouldn't be able to understand what they say in it anyway.)Not to be funny but it was said that his armor was IMPENETRABLE! He ALLOWED hulk to rip it open so he can go to his next form. so i was thinking if he was de evolved then he would go back to his first form not the huge monster one. but to get inside his armor is a whole other issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Not to be funny but it was said that his armor was IMPENETRABLE! Titanic was said to be unsinkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Would Darkseid turning meta humans into regular humans count as de evolving someone? Or how about when he turned Lboo into a statue or is that matter manipulation? I have scans of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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