Xenomorphs vs. Blackwatch

[Guest the atom]

A large alien infestation has broken out in the middle of Manhattan. After months of stealthy buildup, the streets have broken out in all out anarchy as thousands of xenomorphs pour from the underground. Blackwatch is called in to contain and exterminate the outbreak.

 

Initial xenomorph numbers:

 

80,000 drones, 2000 praetorians , and 200 queens.

 

*note these numbers are subject to expansion over the course of the battle as the xenomorphs harvest more hosts.

[Indolent]

Blackwatch gets pwned.

[Guest Ruinus]

Blackwatch calls in tanks, helicopters, airstrikes and all manner of things and kill the xenos.

 

Seriously, xeno's only ever do good in situations where lighting conditions are poor, enclosed areas, or when there is an element of surprise. Out in the streets in broad daylight they'll get shred to pieces by weapons fire, just like they did in Aliens whenever there was a straight up fight between marines and xenos.

[Indolent]

Actually, I have to admit I have no idea why I said Blackwatch gets pwned. Probably because I was thinking about the infected kicking the shit out of them at the time.

[Guest Scar]

Blackwatch calls in tanks, helicopters, airstrikes and all manner of things and kill the xenos.

 

Seriously, xeno's only ever do good in situations where lighting conditions are poor, enclosed areas, or when there is an element of surprise. Out in the streets in broad daylight they'll get shred to pieces by weapons fire, just like they did in Aliens whenever there was a straight up fight between marines and xenos.

 

Which is why Blackwatch is going to have a shit ton of trouble when they have to go into the Manhattan underground to finish the job. The way I see it the Xenomorphs are going to be like your typical deer tick. Easy to remove when they're still crawling on your body's surface, but a major pain in the ass once they've dug in.

[RakaiThwei]

Who or what the hell is Blackwatch?

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Indolent]

Who or what the hell is Blackwatch?

 

-Rakai'Thwei

An organization from the videogame, [PROTOTYPE].

 

Blackwatch

[Guest Ruinus]

Which is why Blackwatch is going to have a shit ton of trouble when they have to go into the Manhattan underground to finish the job. The way I see it the Xenomorphs are going to be like your typical deer tick. Easy to remove when they're still crawling on your body's surface, but a major pain in the ass once they've dug in.

 

Why does Blackwatch have to go down there? They can just drop all the napalm or explosives they want. Really, Blackwatch isn't above leveling a city to get their job done, they've done it once before and they were going to do it again, and would have done so if Mercer hadn't moved the nuke off the ship and dumped it in the ocean.

[Guest Scar]

Why does Blackwatch have to go down there? They can just drop all the napalm or explosives they want. Really, Blackwatch isn't above leveling a city to get their job done, they've done it once before and they were going to do it again, and would have done so if Mercer hadn't moved the nuke off the ship and dumped it in the ocean.

 

Good point.

[Guest the atom]

After spending so much time in spacebattles I find the quality of debate here rather lacking. But in any case I think the xenos will stomp for a number of reasons.

 

1: They will be impossible to contain. The only reason Blackwatch could contain Redlight on the island is because it couldn't cross the water and they had the bridges locked down tight. The xenomorphs will have no such limitations, and can easily escape into the water, sewers or subways and infest the rest of the city or elsewhere.

 

2: Close quarters. Because of the buildings and debris, tank columns and heavy support will quickly be bogged down, and torn apart in close combat. The xenos will come at Blackwatch from every conceivable angle with astonishing speed and ferocity. All it would only really take is one or two xenos to get into an Abrams, depending on how they do it. Infantry would fare no better. The only reason Redlight was even half manageable is because you average zombie are stupid and slow. Aliens not so much. As seen in AVP2, 5.56mm ammo is only partially effective and requires an extended burst in order to get a positive kill.

 

3. The underground. The xenos should be able to operate with relative impunity underground. They will be immune to heavy support such as tanks, airstrikes, napalm and even WMDs. Any means to flush them out will have to be done with infantry, who will most likely end up as host fodder for yet more aliens.

[Guest Ruinus]

After spending so much time in spacebattles I find the quality of debate here rather lacking. But in any case I think the xenos will stomp for a number of reasons.

 

1: They will be impossible to contain. The only reason Blackwatch could contain Redlight on the island is because it couldn't cross the water and they had the bridges locked down tight. The xenomorphs will have no such limitations, and can easily escape into the water, sewers or subways and infest the rest of the city or elsewhere.

 

No, it would actually be easier. REDLIGHT spreads through airborne contagion, while Xenos do not. All Blackwatch has to do is quarantine Manhattan, which it can, and the problem is solved. Even if an individual xeno escapes quarantine it doesn't matter, as an individual xeno can't spread more xenos, only a facehugger can.

 

2: Close quarters. Because of the buildings and debris, tank columns and heavy support will quickly be bogged down, and torn apart in close combat. The xenos will come at Blackwatch from every conceivable angle with astonishing speed and ferocity. All it would only really take is one or two xenos to get into an Abrams, depending on how they do it. Infantry would fare no better. The only reason Redlight was even half manageable is because you average zombie are stupid and slow. Aliens not so much. As seen in AVP2, 5.56mm ammo is only partially effective and requires an extended burst in order to get a positive kill.

 

Nah, it wouldn't happen. Xenos can't rip apart tanks or chuck cars at helicopters like REDLIGHT Hunters can. And even if your claim about xeno durability is true (which you haven't bothered to back up with a video or screenshot), BLACKWATCH has fully automatic weaponry. Again, BLACKWATCH calls in heavy armor and air support and simply levels entire city blocks.

 

3. The underground. The xenos should be able to operate with relative impunity underground. They will be immune to heavy support such as tanks, airstrikes, napalm and even WMDs. Any means to flush them out will have to be done with infantry, who will most likely end up as host fodder for yet more aliens.

 

Again, nope. There is no reason why BLACKWATCH can't drop down all the napalm and explosives they want into the sewer systems, subways or similar. Or, for that matter, start setting up chokepoints are surface entry points.

[Guest the atom]

No, it would actually be easier. REDLIGHT spreads through airborne contagion, while Xenos do not. All Blackwatch has to do is quarantine Manhattan, which it can, and the problem is solved. Even if an individual xeno escapes quarantine it doesn't matter, as an individual xeno can't spread more xenos, only a facehugger can.

 

The problem with Redlight is that it manifests itself too soon. Part of the reason Blackwatch could quarantine and contain the spread is because Redlight became BWARGH MONSTORZ very quickly. Xenomorphs do not. An embryo can remain inside it's host for as long as it needs to in order for maximum spread. You act like quarantining Manhattan would be both easy and possible. There is absolutely no way Blackwatch could contain every single xenomorph on the island, which they will need to do in order to contain the spread. Total and effective quarantine would take time that they just do not have. It does matter alot of an individual escapes actually. Even a single drone has the ability to morph into a queen.

 

Nah, it wouldn't happen. Xenos can't rip apart tanks or chuck cars at helicopters like REDLIGHT Hunters can. And even if your claim about xeno durability is true (which you haven't bothered to back up with a video or screenshot), BLACKWATCH has fully automatic weaponry. Again, BLACKWATCH calls in heavy armor and air support and simply levels entire city blocks.

 

Oh it could. You realize that tank hatches are only a few inches thick right? Xenomorphs can rip through metal bulkheads that are half a foot thick. Even if a nearby soldier does see what's happening and shoots the xeno before it breaks through, the acid would eat through both the armor, and the tank itself, crippling it. All it takes is one to follow up and tear apart the tank crew. Once again, heavy armor gets bogged down in tight quarters, and ripped to shreds. The closely packed skyscrapers would prevent air support from providing adequate cover, and friendly fire would kill almost as many as the xenos.

 

Again, nope. There is no reason why BLACKWATCH can't drop down all the napalm and explosives they want into the sewer systems, subways or similar. Or, for that matter, start setting up chokepoints are surface entry points.

 

How can they make sure it get's to every part though? The Sewers and the like run deep and the only way to be sure all of it is getting down there is by sending crews to make sure it does. Hence the problem.

[Guest Ruinus]

The problem with Redlight is that it manifests itself too soon. Part of the reason Blackwatch could quarantine and contain the spread is because Redlight became BWARGH MONSTORZ very quickly. Xenomorphs do not. An embryo can remain inside it's host for as long as it needs to in order for maximum spread. You act like quarantining Manhattan would be both easy and possible. There is absolutely no way Blackwatch could contain every single xenomorph on the island, which they will need to do in order to contain the spread. Total and effective quarantine would take time that they just do not have. It does matter alot of an individual escapes actually. Even a single drone has the ability to morph into a queen.

 

No, but when Xenomoprhs infect a person they are dragged into their hives, they don't run around and walk in public places spreading anything like REDLIGHT does. A person that has had an embryo implanted in them is not going to go back into the general public to mill about, they are going to be stuck in the hive until the embryo bursts.

 

So yes, unlike REDLIGHT where someone is infected and they walk around with what they think is a common cold, infect others around them, a person who's been abducted by the xenos and has one in them is cut off and missing from others.

 

Also, Blackwatch can and does have effective abilities to set up quarantines. Remember that in Prototype as soon as Mercer broke out of Gentek's labs, the entire island was already cut off from the rest of New York. And Blackwatch can set up drones with pheromone scanners to sniff out any xenos. Any individual xeno's trying to get off of Manhattan would just be shot when they are scanned by those air drones.

 

1:Oh it could. You realize that tank hatches are only a few inches thick right? Xenomorphs can rip through metal bulkheads that are half a foot thick. Even if a nearby soldier does see what's happening and shoots the xeno before it breaks through, the acid would eat through both the armor, and the tank itself, crippling it. All it takes is one to follow up and tear apart the tank crew. Once again, heavy armor gets bogged down in tight quarters, and ripped to shreds.

 

2: The closely packed skyscrapers would prevent air support from providing adequate cover, and

 

3: friendly fire would kill almost as many as the xenos.

 

1: Provide evidence. I'd especially like to know how this is true when in Aliens closing the doors on LV-426 is enough to keep them out.

 

2: And yet it didn't in the events of Prototype. And Blackwatch isn't above leveling a skyscraper that's in the way.

 

3: Blackwatch doesn't care about friendly fire.

"When we hunt, we kill!

No one is safe!

Nothing is sacred!

We are Blackwatch!

We are the last line of defense!

We will burn our own to hold the red line; it is the last line to ever hold!"

 

How can they make sure it get's to every part though? The Sewers and the like run deep and the only way to be sure all of it is getting down there is by sending crews to make sure it does. Hence the problem.

 

Because Blackwatch, just like any city, has blueprints and maps of their own sewer system, water management systems, subway systems, etc etc. Again, nothing stops them from simply dropping napalm and other explosives down into areas, then sending in dudes to just drop more explosives. Or sending drones in with their scanners to sniff out hives and then burning those sections.

 

BTW: You didn't provide any evidence of your claim on xeno durability.

[Guest Ruinus]

Also, there's nothing stoping Blackwatch from simply nuking all of New York if they have to.

[Guest Ruinus]

There is also nothing stopping Blackwatch from simply taking out all the civilians in Manhattan and laughing as the xenos wither under attrition.

[Hugo Fowl]

 

Nuff said here.

[Guest the atom]

No, but when Xenomoprhs infect a person they are dragged into their hives, they don't run around and walk in public places spreading anything like REDLIGHT does. A person that has had an embryo implanted in them is not going to go back into the general public to mill about, they are going to be stuck in the hive until the embryo bursts.

 

So yes, unlike REDLIGHT where someone is infected and they walk around with what they think is a common cold, infect others around them, a person who's been abducted by the xenos and has one in them is cut off and missing from others.

 

Also, Blackwatch can and does have effective abilities to set up quarantines. Remember that in Prototype as soon as Mercer broke out of Gentek's labs, the entire island was already cut off from the rest of New York. And Blackwatch can set up drones with pheromone scanners to sniff out any xenos. Any individual xeno's trying to get off of Manhattan would just be shot when they are scanned by those air drones.

 

If you really think that then I doubt you've ever watched all the movies or read any of the comics. In the first volume of the omnibus it states just that. Even after all the little xeno cults got stomped out it was too late. People were getting chestbursted all over the world, in virtually any location, from their homes to the mall. It states that the embryo will remain inside it's host until conditions are optimal. While dragging hosts off is commonplace, facehuggers are just as likely to wander off and do their own thing.

 

Once again, the reason they could quarantine Manhattan is because Redlight couldn't swim!! The infected couldn't cross the water, so all they had to do was block the bridges. They even state in the game that if Redlight could cross the water, they'd be *vulgarity*ed.

 

Scanned with air drones?? You seriously overestimate the abilities of the U.S. armed forces. They couldn't track down a diabetic porn enthusiast for 10 years. There are two ways drones can track people: thermal and visual. Aliens don't show up on thermal so there goes that option. As for visual.... Let me know how that goes for you. If a lone xenomorph wants to disappear it's going to disappear. And we probably won't be hearing from it again until it's morphed into a queen and has a hive of it's own.

 

1: Provide evidence. I'd especially like to know how this is true when in Aliens closing the doors on LV-426 is enough to keep them out.

 

2: And yet it didn't in the events of Prototype. And Blackwatch isn't above leveling a skyscraper that's in the way.

 

1:Not everything I read is on the internet so if you want the scene your going to have to pick up a copy of the Aliens Omnibus volume 1. On page 141, it shows a xeno tearing through a metal door that's at least 4-5 inches thick. The on page 150, it shows a horde of aliens tearing straight through a concrete wall that's around a foot thick. The doors on LV-426 had to be welded and reinforced.

 

2:Actually I remember that's more or less how it went. Sure they blew up hives but they never leveled that many buildings in order to get a better firing clearance. Tanks were frequently trapped in tight spaces where they were unable to properly maneuver their guns, and were ripped apart by hunters

 

3: Blackwatch doesn't care about friendly fire.

"When we hunt, we kill!

No one is safe!

Nothing is sacred!

We are Blackwatch!

We are the last line of defense!

We will burn our own to hold the red line; it is the last line to ever hold!"

 

I never said they would care about friendly fire. Thing is though, once one of your guys is dead, he's dead no matter how little you care. That's one less soldier to cover another guy's back, one less set of guns in the field. There's still a tactical loss. Of course with HEAT rounds it will be a few more then one soldier.

 

Because Blackwatch, just like any city, has blueprints and maps of their own sewer system, water management systems, subway systems, etc etc. Again, nothing stops them from simply dropping napalm and other explosives down into areas, then sending in dudes to just drop more explosives. Or sending drones in with their scanners to sniff out hives and then burning those sections.

 

Blackwatch isn't a city XD. But those maps wouldn't account for any modifications the xenos will have made, such as blocking off certain areas with resin, creating new tunnels, etc. See, the things is with "sending dudes in" is the dudes part. Once they get down a certain distance, any demolition crew will be cut off and killed. Or worse.

 

BTW: You didn't provide any evidence of your claim on xeno durability.

 

Youtube is useless and I can't find the clip. But at the end of AVPR, as they are escaping the Aliens can usually take an extended burst from an M16 before dropping. Not saying that they're invincible but they are definitely tougher then an zombie.

 

Also, nuking wouldn't get all the underground hives unless they planted a charge down below and set it off. Even then there's no guarantee it would get all of them, especially the hundreds that have moved into the city by that point.

[Indolent]

Well, I thought there were continuities for Aliens and AvP.

 

So which one are we using?

[Guest Ruinus]

If you really think that then I doubt you've ever watched all the movies or read any of the comics. In the first volume of the omnibus it states just that. Even after all the little xeno cults got stomped out it was too late. People were getting chestbursted all over the world, in virtually any location, from their homes to the mall. It states that the embryo will remain inside it's host until conditions are optimal. While dragging hosts off is commonplace, facehuggers are just as likely to wander off and do their own thing.

 

Once again, the reason they could quarantine Manhattan is because Redlight couldn't swim!! The infected couldn't cross the water, so all they had to do was block the bridges. They even state in the game that if Redlight could cross the water, they'd be *vulgarity*ed.

 

Scanned with air drones?? You seriously overestimate the abilities of the U.S. armed forces. They couldn't track down a diabetic porn enthusiast for 10 years. There are two ways drones can track people: thermal and visual. Aliens don't show up on thermal so there goes that option. As for visual.... Let me know how that goes for you. If a lone xenomorph wants to disappear it's going to disappear. And we probably won't be hearing from it again until it's morphed into a queen and has a hive of it's own.

 

I've seen all the Alien movies and read some of the books. That however doesn't matter, you've got to start showing some actual quotes or evidence instead of just saying these things occur somewhere in some omnibus. Also, why would these cults appear here in Manhattan? Specifically, show how they occur and how long it takes them to occur. Also, tell me why Blackwatch isn't going to just start shooting anyone and everyone in areas with known Xeno hives.

 

And? The point was that Redlight spreads faster and in a better method than a xeno infestation, than rather than have to incubate an egg in an obvious way in someone (because they'll show up in x-rays and also have the person missing for a period of time, REDLIGHT simply spread through airborne vectors.

 

Also yes, UAVs:"These Unmanned Aerial Vehicles can detect the virus at less than ten parts per million in open air." ―2nd Lt. Joel Brunner

 

Blackwatch can just start collecting samples on xenos and send UAVs to sniff them out. Specifically their pheromones, since xenos seem to hunt and kill based off of pheromones.

 

1:Not everything I read is on the internet so if you want the scene your going to have to pick up a copy of the Aliens Omnibus volume 1. On page 141, it shows a xeno tearing through a metal door that's at least 4-5 inches thick. The on page 150, it shows a horde of aliens tearing straight through a concrete wall that's around a foot thick. The doors on LV-426 had to be welded and reinforced.

 

2:Actually I remember that's more or less how it went. Sure they blew up hives but they never leveled that many buildings in order to get a better firing clearance. Tanks were frequently trapped in tight spaces where they were unable to properly maneuver their guns, and were ripped apart by hunters

 

1: You've got a copy? You've got a scanner or camera? Take pictures and post them, I'm not going to take your word on it without some actual visual evidence.

 

2: If they can level the hives easily enough that means they can bring in armor and air support easily enough. Also, I'm not sure how you can claim "they never leveled that many buildings" considering we never see before and after images of Manhattan. The closest we come to are scenes like

, where, at 2:52 and on, we see helicopters shoot missiles at what is presumable a building. You also haven't shown that xenos will be a problem for tanks, even if they do get swarmed all over. Again, in Aliens Hudson was able to hold of an alien while closing the entrance door to their APC. If they were as strong as you claim this wouldn't have happened.

 

I never said they would care about friendly fire. Thing is though, once one of your guys is dead, he's dead no matter how little you care. That's one less soldier to cover another guy's back, one less set of guns in the field. There's still a tactical loss. Of course with HEAT rounds it will be a few more then one soldier.

 

Except that it's a numbers game that the xenos will lose. For the xenos to replace their loses they have to go up against soldiers or civilians and capture one and then place an embryo in them. Every single time they go up against, say a squad that's prepared in an even moderately defensible position (the med lab in Aliens is an example) they will lose more xenos than they can replace. For example, say a squad of Blackwatch soldiers of 8-13 men. For this to be a winning proposition for the xenos they'll have to take no casualties at all when they go up against these squads and] capture the soldiers.

 

Blackwatch isn't a city XD. But those maps wouldn't account for any modifications the xenos will have made, such as blocking off certain areas with resin, creating new tunnels, etc. See, the things is with "sending dudes in" is the dudes part. Once they get down a certain distance, any demolition crew will be cut off and killed. Or worse.

 

Also, nuking wouldn't get all the underground hives unless they planted a charge down below and set it off. Even then there's no guarantee it would get all of them, especially the hundreds that have moved into the city by that point.

 

Didn't say Blackwatch is a city, I'm saying that they can get maps of the tunnels, just like how any city can get maps of well known sewer systems, water management systems, etc.

 

Right, show some examples of xenos reworking and building their own tunnels. Also, like I said, it doesn't matter. Blackwatch can clear an initial area, then start setting up their scanners. Soldiers will be warned when xenos breach the perimeters. And again, any prolonged engagement against trained and organized soldiers is a loss for the xenos. They have to acheive 2 to 1 kill death ratios to be a problem.

 

Nuking wouldn't get rid of hives underground, but it would get rid of all of them above ground. That makes the job much easier for Blackwatch.

 

Youtube is useless and I can't find the clip. But at the end of AVPR, as they are escaping the Aliens can usually take an extended burst from an M16 before dropping. Not saying that they're invincible but they are definitely tougher then an zombie.

 

I didn't know Youtube is the only website on the Internet that shows movies. Get me a Megavideo link, or Dailymotion, or whatever.

[Guest Ruinus]

Jeri:

Jeri is equipped with artificial pheromone secreters, in order to blend into the hive, and possesses an advanced personality core and reasoning faculty.

 

From what I can tell from that wiki, objects coated with xeno pheromones can blend in with their hives easily. Also, I dunno how canon their toys are, but ATAX gear lets them blend in with xenos.

 

EDIT: Oh wait nevermind, Jeri looks like a xeno, so it might not work for soldiers.

 

Based on that, I'm not seeing how Blackwatch can't use the same type of concepts for themselves.

[Guest the atom]

I've seen all the Alien movies and read some of the books. That however doesn't matter, you've got to start showing some actual quotes or evidence instead of just saying these things occur somewhere in some omnibus. Also, why would these cults appear here in Manhattan? Specifically, show how they occur and how long it takes them to occur. Also, tell me why Blackwatch isn't going to just start shooting anyone and everyone in areas with known Xeno hives.

 

And? The point was that Redlight spreads faster and in a better method than a xeno infestation, than rather than have to incubate an egg in an obvious way in someone (because they'll show up in x-rays and also have the person missing for a period of time, REDLIGHT simply spread through airborne vectors.

 

The cults don't matter. In the OP there's already enough to spread without any kind of artificial aid. The cults started springing up because queens seem to exert a kind of psychic force on people's subconsciousness. It got bad to the point where the military was suffering attacks from their own men, who even killed their allies in order to protect the aliens.

 

Except that it never left the island now did it? Impregnated people could travel across the world showing very little sign of infection before the larvae emerged. Everybody infected with Redlight became homicidal monsters in very short periods of time, making them easy to locate and contain.

 

Also yes, UAVs:"These Unmanned Aerial Vehicles can detect the virus at less than ten parts per million in open air." ―2nd Lt. Joel Brunner

 

Blackwatch can just start collecting samples on xenos and send UAVs to sniff them out. Specifically their pheromones, since xenos seem to hunt and kill based off of pheromones.

 

And how long did it take them to do that again? And what would make them think to do that with xenomorphs? Redlight clearly and obviously spread through aerial vectors as demonstrated by the ominous red cloud the followed every infection. It would take weeks if not months of careful study to determine how they use pheromones. The military in Aliens only figured it out because they had continuous contact for years. Why would Blackwatch instantly think of pheromones?

 

1: You've got a copy? You've got a scanner or camera? Take pictures and post them, I'm not going to take your word on it without some actual visual evidence.

 

2: If they can level the hives easily enough that means they can bring in armor and air support easily enough. Also, I'm not sure how you can claim "they never leveled that many buildings" considering we never see before and after images of Manhattan. The closest we come to are scenes like

, where, at 2:52 and on, we see helicopters shoot missiles at what is presumable a building. You also haven't shown that xenos will be a problem for tanks, even if they do get swarmed all over. Again, in Aliens Hudson was able to hold of an alien while closing the entrance door to their APC. If they were as strong as you claim this wouldn't have happened.

 

1: Yeah I've got a copy. But I have neither a camera nor a scanner, which I have no clue how to use. Sorry. Maybe I will be able to locate a PDF.

 

2: Actually there is:

much of the skyline is still there and there is no evidence of mass structure clearing for the purposes you stated. And I don't see what strength had to do with it. The xeno forced the door open before catching a shotgun blast to the face. It would have had no problems getting in otherwise. Aliens have been shown tearing open barriers that are a bit more then a few inches of steel. Once again, how is somebody supposed to get a xeno off a tank without shooting it? The acid from a single alien would be enough to cripple an Abrams or Bradley, and open up it's armor to further attacks. The APC was never swarmed over. It was attacked by two aliens, one which almost forced it's way in and the second which got run over, and then crippled the APC with it's acid.

 

Except that it's a numbers game that the xenos will lose. For the xenos to replace their loses they have to go up against soldiers or civilians and capture one and then place an embryo in them. Every single time they go up against, say a squad that's prepared in an even moderately defensible position (the med lab in Aliens is an example) they will lose more xenos than they can replace. For example, say a squad of Blackwatch soldiers of 8-13 men. For this to be a winning proposition for the xenos they'll have to take no casualties at all when they go up against these squads and] capture the soldiers. Didn't say Blackwatch is a city, I'm saying that they can get maps of the tunnels, just like how any city can get maps of well known sewer systems, water management systems, etc.

 

Right, show some examples of xenos reworking and building their own tunnels. Also, like I said, it doesn't matter. Blackwatch can clear an initial area, then start setting up their scanners. Soldiers will be warned when xenos breach the perimeters. And again, any prolonged engagement against trained and organized soldiers is a loss for the xenos. They have to acheive 2 to 1 kill death ratios to be a problem.

 

There will be more then enough civilians around for their purposes. They don't need to go up against Blackwatch to replenish their numbers.

 

They can build their own structures from scratch easily. That's what they did on their homeworld apparently before extraterrestrial species got involved. The Marines had all the same ideas as Blackwatch really. They exterminated civilian populations, set up perimeters using motion tracking and weren't afraid of scorched earth policies. Sadly, most of them died and were driven back to the colonies.

 

Nuking wouldn't get rid of hives underground, but it would get rid of all of them above ground. That makes the job much easier for Blackwatch. I didn't know Youtube is the only website on the Internet that shows movies. Get me a Megavideo link, or Dailymotion, or whatever.

 

 

Only now the xenos have no reason to stay in Manhattan, and will simply move on into either the city, or the ocean, and there's utterly nothing Blackwatch can do to contain an underwater infestation.

 

 

 

I'm searching but the google god is being bluntly useless. I'll keep looking though. Have you never seen it?

[Guest Falcon]

Judging from what I have seen of the aliens and black watch, plus atom's reasoning I side with him. The Aliens have the numbers, speed, strength, and durability to win this. The Aliens are capable of fighting with no weapons against Predators that are amred and fair well. Soldiers wont prove much trouble. Yes Aliens will die but if one gets killed on a tank, the acid its through and its useless. If a couple get killed in the road, the acid eats through and makes a giant hole that is unpassable by vehicles. Also between the sewers and water sources, there is no way for Blackwatch to actually contain this. The zombies are reckless and mindless where as the aliens are smart and cooardinate their attacks. Also the Queen Aliens are strong enough to possible stop tanks with strength alone, bullets wouldnt really hurt it. Only a blast from a tank could stop it and the Queen Alien would be too fast to really aim at with a tank anyways.

[Guest Ruinus]

No one remembers the insane kill/death ratio the marines got in Aliens? One squad cut off from help managed to kill several xenos while they were slowly whittled down.

 

And no one played Prototype, where there is an explicit mention of a hive mind (one mission involves you tapping into the hivemind set up by Elizabeth Greene, the controlling intelligence of the infected).

 

" So many minds at work. All talking. All dying. "

- Alex describing the Hive Mind.

 

Also, I've still yet to see any sort of evidence that the xenos are on par with Hunters or Hydras, all enemies Blackwatch frequenly engaged in combat with, creatures that could chuck cars at helicopters and could actually rip apart tanks with their hands.

[Guest the atom]

I do. It didn't really matter in the end did it? The same thign will happen to Blackwatch, just on a larger scale.

 

I played protoytpe too. The Hunters are really the equivalent to a royal guard alien or a praetorian, but faster. The tanks frequently fell victim to the same poor conditions I described earlier which is close quarters. The only reason they could survive the hunters is because there were relatively few of them and they made obvious targets from a distance. Aliens have comparable speed and enough strength to get the job done, but they are smaller, are far less obvious and are far far more numerous. Redlight's big guns were few and far between in a sea of retarded cannon fodder zombies.

[Guest the atom]

*double post*