Nick Fury and Punisher vs Jason todd and batman

[Guest SSGoku]

I just don't see how some tough guy with military training and some truing from Cap will beat Batman.

I just don't see how some dude with pointy ears and a few gadgets can beat The Punisher.

lol jk, I actually agree that in a 1 on 1 fight between them Batman would win, just not nearly as easily as you say.

[Guest Falcon]

Well then Fury has the Avengers, I'm sure he could convince them to help, he always has in the past.

If you want to keep reaching Batman could convince Hal to have the entire GL Corps help him. So lets stick to Fury and Castle vs Batman and Jason

[Guest SSGoku]

If you want to keep reaching Batman could convince Hal to have the entire GL Corps help him. So lets stick to Fury and Castle vs Batman and Jason

No way, this is fun lets keep going! If the GL corps come, Fury could convince Cap to convince Thor to convince the Asgardians to come and fight. Odin may be a bit reluctant, but I'm sure nearly every other Asgardian would love the idea of a battle of this magnitude. Your move.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

No way, this is fun lets keep going! If the GL corps come, Fury could convince Cap to convince Thor to convince the Asgardians to come and fight. Odin may be a bit reluctant, but I'm sure nearly every other Asgardian would love the idea of a battle of this magnitude. Your move.

 

Then, the Green Lanterns slaughter the Asgardians with relative ease. Your move.

[Guest SSGoku]

Then, the Green Lanterns slaughter the Asgardians with relative ease. Your move.

But the combined efforts of SHIELD and the Avengers managed to quickly deafeat the Justice League. So now SHIELD, the Avengers, and the asgardians all team up to stall the GL's while Nick Fury asks Wolverine and the X men to help out. Wolverine has a lot of respect for Fury, so he agrees. The X men then all join the fight as well, and Jean Grey reads one of the GL's minds to find There weakness, which is yellow energy. SHEILD then quickly builds a machine that encases everyone in the area in yellow light, so the GL's now cannot directly attack the fighters. Your move.

 

(I dont know much about Green Lanterns so sorry if I did something wrong)

[Guest Lunacyde]

So back to the actual question at hand. Team 2. Wins.

[Guest shellsbut]

Then, the Green Lanterns slaughter the Asgardians with relative ease. Your move.

 

 

LOL The Asgaurdian get the Defenders The Iluminati get involved and all the LAnterns are down thanks to the infinity gems. Reality Gem And Soul Gem do the trick they dont need the others.

 

 

CHRIST ALL MIGHTY PEOPLE

 

 

ITs the just the four of them but a few things need to be cleared up. I broke it down like this so if Xmen4life can clear a few things up we are back on track.

 

 

So 2 on 2 no weapons team 1

2 on 2 with weapons/gadgets team 2 but could go either way

2 on 2 with resources backing them team 2 easily because of SHIELD

 

Good job Xman4life tough call depending on the variables

[Guest Falcon]

LOL The Asgaurdian get the Defenders The Iluminati get involved and all the LAnterns are down thanks to the infinity gems. Reality Gem And Soul Gem do the trick they dont need the others.

 

 

CHRIST ALL MIGHTY PEOPLE

 

 

ITs the just the four of them but a few things need to be cleared up. I broke it down like this so if Xmen4life can clear a few things up we are back on track.

 

 

So 2 on 2 no weapons team 1

2 on 2 with weapons/gadgets team 2 but could go either way

2 on 2 with resources backing them team 2 easily because of SHIELD

 

Good job Xman4life tough call depending on the variables

actually out of your scenarios Team 2 wins all and the only one close is with weapons.

[Guest Lunacyde]

actually out of your scenarios Team 2 wins all and the only one close is with weapons.

 

Exactly. It makes no sense to say that Fury and Castle would be negatively effected by the use of actual weapons.

[Guest shellsbut]

WAIT EDIT got sides mixed.

 

So 2 on 2 no weapons BAtman/NIghtwing

2 on 2 with weapons/gadgets team 2 but could go either way

2 on 2 with resources backing them Fury Punisher

[Guest Falcon]

Exactly. It makes no sense to say that Fury and Castle would be negatively effected by the use of actual weapons.

shellsbut is a proven idiot. So you can take anything he says with a grain of salt.

[Guest shellsbut]

actually out of your scenarios Team 2 wins all and the only one close is with weapons.

 

 

i erred I meant

 

 

So 2 on 2 no weapons Team Batman

2 on 2 with weapons/gadgets team 1 but could go either way

2 on 2 with resources backing them Fury Punisher

[Guest shellsbut]

shellsbut is a proven idiot. So you can take anything he says with a grain of salt.

Oh look twit steps up, proven fruit

[Guest Lunacyde]

Did Jason Todd somehow get switched with Dick Grayson somehow along the way or am I going crazy?

[Guest Falcon]

Did Jason Todd somehow get switched with Dick Grayson somehow along the way or am I going crazy?

No why?

[Guest shellsbut]

Did Jason Todd somehow get switched with Dick Grayson somehow along the way or am I going crazy?

 

 

NAh I mixed em fixed it up now

 

for what I posted

 

Team BAtman ftw example 1

Team either example 2

Team Fury backed by resources. gov>batmans goodies

[Guest thanosisawesome]

NAh I mixed em fixed it up now

 

for what I posted

 

Team BAtman ftw example 1

Team either example 2

Team Fury backed by resources. gov>batmans goodies

 

So, SHIELD beats Superman, who could subdue/kill every agent in SECONDS? SHIELD has no kryptonite. DOES Gov>Superman? Oh yeah. No. So, assuming you know who Superman and the Justice League are, Justice League would defeat SHIELD easily, Batman doesn't even need Batman incorporated.

[Guest xman4life]

Ok now lets get back to the subject.

They can have their gadgets. In saying that nick fury has HELLA gadgets so please don't give me batman has better ones. Everything in the batcave and Nick has everything at shield. Frank has anything he can carry and same with Jason.

Now Jason Todd has some gadgets but mostly uses guns kevlar and gas. Frank has guns kevlar, knives, gas mask, gas and grenades. So again pretty even.

 

Skill-almost even. I will give it to batman and jason

 

Intellect/experience-TEAM ONE!!!!!!!!!! Nick fury is over a hundred years old and frank is like 60 both with extensive training and war time experience in espionage and guerilla tactics. Bats honestly has nothing on Nick in that department at ALL. and Jason doesn't hold a candle to the training and experience of frank.

 

Villains-Team 2 hands down.

 

Weapons-TEAM ONE. I mean come one Nick fury has Life Model Decoys. HUNDREDS of them.

Tactics-Even

 

So my analysis EVEN.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

Ok now lets get back to the subject.

They can have their gadgets. In saying that nick fury has HELLA gadgets so please don't give me batman has better ones. Everything in the batcave and Nick has everything at shield. Frank has anything he can carry and same with Jason.

Now Jason Todd has some gadgets but mostly uses guns kevlar and gas. Frank has guns kevlar, knives, gas mask, gas and grenades. So again pretty even.

 

Skill-almost even. I will give it to batman and jason

 

Intellect/experience-TEAM ONE!!!!!!!!!! Nick fury is over a hundred years old and frank is like 60 both with extensive training and war time experience in espionage and guerilla tactics. Bats honestly has nothing on Nick in that department at ALL. and Jason doesn't hold a candle to the training and experience of frank.

 

Villains-Team 2 hands down.

 

Weapons-TEAM ONE. I mean come one Nick fury has Life Model Decoys. HUNDREDS of them.

Tactics-Even

 

So my analysis EVEN.

 

Except, Team 2 is magnitudes more skilled, and name 5 gadgets that Nick Fury carries everywhere. Uhhh, handgun and.......um..yeah. So, no. Punisher gets defeated easily by either Batman, and Nick Fury would last longer but be taken down.

[Guest Falcon]

Except, Team 2 is magnitudes more skilled, and name 5 gadgets that Nick Fury carries everywhere. Uhhh, handgun and.......um..yeah. So, no. Punisher gets defeated easily by either Batman, and Nick Fury would last longer but be taken down.

I actually have to agree with you.

[Guest xman4life]

Except, Team 2 is magnitudes more skilled, and name 5 gadgets that Nick Fury carries everywhere. Uhhh, handgun and.......um..yeah. So, no. Punisher gets defeated easily by either Batman, and Nick Fury would last longer but be taken down.

Hm let me see if I get this you say what gadgets he carries around AFTER i said he has access to all of shields tech. o ok I was just making sure. lol

 

I say tie. I'm not in favor for anyone but I have to tell the truth about each character. I said that batmans team has more skills(I'm sure you missed that in the SAME quote you used for me) lol but experience there is no earthly way you can compare batman to nick or even frank. Read on nick fury and see what gadgets he has at shield then you can make a comment like that sir.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

Hm let me see if I get this you say what gadgets he carries around AFTER i said he has access to all of shields tech. o ok I was just making sure. lol

 

I say tie. I'm not in favor for anyone but I have to tell the truth about each character. I said that batmans team has more skills(I'm sure you missed that in the SAME quote you used for me) lol but experience there is no earthly way you can compare batman to nick or even frank. Read on nick fury and see what gadgets he has at shield then you can make a comment like that sir.

Just because those two have more WAR experience doesn't make them more experienced overall. In fact Batman and Todd are more experienced in these type of fights.

[Guest thanosisawesome]

Hm let me see if I get this you say what gadgets he carries around AFTER i said he has access to all of shields tech. o ok I was just making sure. lol

 

I say tie. I'm not in favor for anyone but I have to tell the truth about each character. I said that batmans team has more skills(I'm sure you missed that in the SAME quote you used for me) lol but experience there is no earthly way you can compare batman to nick or even frank. Read on nick fury and see what gadgets he has at shield then you can make a comment like that sir.

 

Please enlighten me. Name 5 standard SHIELD gadgets that Nick has with him in a standard fight.

[Guest Scar]

Actually, it is simply not as close as you are saying it is. In a street fight, h2h, Batman will annihilate Punisher every time with ease. All of those victories you stated are 100% PIS. And as dumb as it may be that Batman has mastered every martial art, it has happened. So, yeah. And you can take a character seriously that gets shot in the ribs with a shotgun and stabbed in the spine, and then throws someone out a window? Yeah. NVA? Is that a joke? NVA were poorly equipped and for the most part poorly trained.

 

Don't take this as me trying to insult you or anything, I just don't see how some tough guy with military training and some truing from Cap will beat Batman.

 

I'm sorry, but all I'm getting from this is major fanboyism and a complete lack of knowledge about military history and what goes into making a good soldier.

 

When it comes down to it the reason the NVA was able to hold out so long against the United States was not just numbers. It had to do with their cut and dry brutality, their ability to dig in like a tick, their knowledge of the terrain and the viciousness to do whatever it took to win the battle. They might not have been as "well trained" as the opposition, but that does not mean they weren't great fighters. In fact, they were some of the most tenacious ones that the world has ever seen. Despite their quality of arms (outside of the almighty AK-47), despite their inferiority in the area of a battlefield supplies and despite their whatsoever lack of any advantage in above the tree line they were able to win the war. Hell of a lot more impressive then Batman's usual list of no name canon fodder aren't they?

 

And Frank Castle isn't some military tough guy, he is *the* military tough guy. He was black ops during Nam, trained through multiple branches of the military to go where he shouldn't be (Cambodia for example) and do things that would never see the light of day. Aka, he was already well beyond the combat abilities of just about 99% of the people Batman comes across day to day before he even painted a white skull on his chest. Again, all he had to his name was standard military equipment and nobody with super powers waiting to jump in when he was in trouble.

 

Of course really we're just getting started. After his service in Vietnam and up until the time his family was killed in the crossfire of mafia fire, Castle was a special forces instructor back in the states. Then came central park and now we go to the next thirty or so years of doing the same damn thing Batman does but with a lack of a mercy and a complete lack of outside funding, a network of chums, friends in higher places.. really imagine that I'm talking about a videogame. Batman is easy mode and Punisher is throw your controller through a T.V screen hard.

 

And as far as martial arts ability, Castle is a highly skilled mixed martial artist and street fighting. In fact, he's damn near *lethal* and has proven himself on the level of a number of Marvel's best. He trains constantly and takes numerous "vacations" in northern New York to make sure he doesn't get fatigued and that he can work on the important stuff his war on crime is not improving him in. The man is a machine and the fact that he's able to do this at over sixty is a testament to just how damn *good* he is. If anything it paints him as *the* most overall skilled individual in Marvel Comics and it places him firmly on the same level as the Dark Knight himself.

[Guest Falcon]

I'm sorry, but all I'm getting from this is major fanboyism and a complete lack of knowledge about military history and what goes into making a good soldier.

 

When it comes down to it the reason the NVA was able to hold out so long against the United States was not just numbers. It had to do with their cut and dry brutality, their ability to dig in like a tick, their knowledge of the terrain and the viciousness to do whatever it took to win the battle. They might not have been as "well trained" as the opposition, but that does not mean they weren't great fighters. In fact, they were some of the most tenacious ones that the world has ever seen. Despite their quality of arms (outside of the almighty AK-47), despite their inferiority in the area of a battlefield supplies and despite their whatsoever lack of any advantage in above the tree line they were able to win the war. Hell of a lot more impressive then Batman's usual list of no name canon fodder aren't they?

 

And Frank Castle isn't some military tough guy, he is *the* military tough guy. He was black ops during Nam, trained through multiple branches of the military to go where he shouldn't be (Cambodia for example) and do things that would never see the light of day. Aka, he was already well beyond the combat abilities of just about 99% of the people Batman comes across day to day before he even painted a white skull on his chest. Again, all he had to his name was standard military equipment and nobody with super powers waiting to jump in when he was in trouble.

 

Of course really we're just getting started. After his service in Vietnam and up until the time his family was killed in the crossfire of mafia fire, Castle was a special forces instructor back in the states. Then came central park and now we go to the next thirty or so years of doing the same damn thing Batman does but with a lack of a mercy and a complete lack of outside funding, a network of chums, friends in higher places.. really imagine that I'm talking about a videogame. Batman is easy mode and Punisher is throw your controller through a T.V screen hard.

 

And as far as martial arts ability, Castle is a highly skilled mixed martial artist and street fighting. In fact, he's damn near *lethal* and has proven himself on the level of a number of Marvel's best. He trains constantly and takes numerous "vacations" in northern New York to make sure he doesn't get fatigued and that he can work on the important stuff his war on crime is not improving him in. The man is a machine and the fact that he's able to do this at over sixty is a testament to just how damn *good* he is. If anything it paints him as *the* most overall skilled individual in Marvel Comics and it places him firmly on the same level as the Dark Knight himself.

Castle served 4 years in Nam as a basic soldier. After the war, he trained others and became black ops. His H2H skills are sub par compared to most comic fighters. Also his immense training is good but when it actually comes to skill, Batman has him surpassed in stealth, all physical attributes, intellect, and fighting experience. The only experience Castle has over Batman is full frontal war. Batman has been proven as a master strategist and has manipulated the entire gang scene against itself and had it all planned from the beginnig. Batman is proven superior to Castle in all ways. Matter of fact, Jason Todd is Punisher's equal and Batman made him look like a fool when they fought fo real.