Guest shellsbut Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 MArvel has more higher ups and would win a crossover even without taking a popularity vote. Most people are not even aware of the MArvel higher ups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 MArvel has more higher ups and would win a crossover even without taking a popularity vote. Most people are not even aware of the MArvel higher ups Not quite. Marvel is starting to get closer with its relatively recent explosion of overpowering their characters, resulting in high-end reality warpers, but so far the Cosmic level characters of DC still outnumbers those of Marvel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 MArvel has more higher ups and would win a crossover even without taking a popularity vote. Most people are not even aware of the MArvel higher upsDude.You're not aware that Lucifer Morningstar along with his brother are about THE most powerful beings, whom are equal to the Presence, who is DC's One Above All. Marvel's higher ups have nothing on Lucifer and his brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xman4life Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Not quite. Marvel is starting to get closer with its relatively recent explosion of overpowering their characters, resulting in high-end reality warpers, but so far the Cosmic level characters of DC still outnumbers those of Marvel.Now see in character chat I posted the question HOW do lucifer Morningstars powers work. I read a little but I want to try to be knowledgeable. So If his brother Micheal can create something like a star out of nowhere so then Lucifer can only make the sun hotter by manipulating it or make it black? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Now see in character chat I posted the question HOW do lucifer Morningstars powers work. I read a little but I want to try to be knowledgeable. So If his brother Micheal can create something like a star out of nowhere so then Lucifer can only make the sun hotter by manipulating it or make it black? http://www.electricferret.com/forum/index....mp;#entry233448 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shellsbut Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Not quite. Marvel is starting to get closer with its relatively recent explosion of overpowering their characters, resulting in high-end reality warpers, but so far the Cosmic level characters of DC still outnumbers those of Marvel. No man not starting to, They do, Marvel has more higher ups. I mean so many of their higher ups are not even known to most fans of comics Marvel gets overlooked because most fans only know mainstream Marvel characters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 No man not starting to, They do, Marvel has more higher ups. I mean so many of their higher ups are not even known to most fans of comics Marvel gets overlooked because most fans only know mainstream Marvel characters The same thing goes for DC, but even more so. In DC, there is almost none of the higher ups that are actually shown as active participants in most comics. In Marvel, the high-end Cosmic characters has a tendency to interact with the rest of the universe(s) on a semi-regular basis, but in DC the high-end Cosmic characters are more like 'gods' in that they generally don't interfere or interact with the rest of the universe(s). A good example is Ahti/Kismet who is equal to Eternity from Marvel. Other good examples are The Endless. or the two brothers Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos who, together, are equal to The-One-Above-All from Marvel, in terms of raw power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shellsbut Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 The same thing goes for DC, but even more so. In DC, there is almost none of the higher ups that are actually shown as active participants in most comics. In Marvel, the high-end Cosmic characters has a tendency to interact with the rest of the universe(s) on a semi-regular basis, but in DC the high-end Cosmic characters are more like 'gods' in that they generally don't interfere or interact with the rest of the universe(s). A good example is Ahti/Kismet who is equal to Eternity from Marvel. Other good examples are The Endless. or the two brothers Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos who, together, are equal to The-One-Above-All from Marvel, in terms of raw power. Cant agree with that. Lucifer/Michael are not on par with the TOAA or Presence MArvel has numerous of characters above Eternity as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Cant agree with that. Lucifer/Michael are not on par with the TOAA or Presence MArvel has numerous of characters above Eternity as well. Doesn't matter if you agree or not, that Lucifer and Michael, when together, are equal to The Presence(who is equal to The-One-Above-All), is a simple fact. Lucifer and Michael working together, are the ones that created the entire DC Multiverse, with the exception of The Presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xman4life Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 MArvel has more higher ups and would win a crossover even without taking a popularity vote. Most people are not even aware of the MArvel higher upsnot to be rude but have u actually did any research on lucifer and his brother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shellsbut Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Dude.You're not aware that Lucifer Morningstar along with his brother are about THE most powerful beings, whom are equal to the Presence, who is DC's One Above All. Marvel's higher ups have nothing on Lucifer and his brother. Actually they are not eqaul to TOAA. Marvel has plenty on Lucifer and his brother mant mutliversal beings of power and scope. To end the disscussion. Marvel is superior because of one single crap crossover In the terrible Amalgam cross over The two brothers WERE THE SUPREME BEINGS of EVERYTHING that encopasses the two companies but even they were but small players in the palm of TLT. Xmen bunk had the two brothers standing in the palm of TLT. Dc failed to recon this or deny it the Brothers and let it stand, hence based on a fully legit crossover the DCU is less then or at most only equal to TLT. Apearently he used a M Body in the series with an exception to holding the Brothers in his hand as the real Living Tribunal. TLT is supreme IN ALL THE MILTIVERSE. That is comic FACT not speculation or opinion. A legit crossover showed this. So take your argument to DC and if need be ask them to recon the storyline. You seem to be a person of reason and you can not deny what I said. It happened, its canon, its Almagam crap but till DC does some recon facts stay facts and everything else is OUR opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Actually they are not eqaul to TOAA. Marvel has plenty on Lucifer and his brother mant mutliversal beings of power and scope. To end the disscussion. Marvel is superior because of one single crap crossover In the terrible Amalgam cross over The two brothers WERE THE SUPREME BEINGS of EVERYTHING that encopasses the two companies but even they were but small players in the palm of TLT. Xmen bunk had the two brothers standing in the palm of TLT. Dc failed to recon this or deny it the Brothers and let it stand, hence based on a fully legit crossover the DCU is less then or at most only equal to TLT. Apearently he used a M Body in the series with an exception to holding the Brothers in his hand as the real Living Tribunal. TLT is supreme IN ALL THE MILTIVERSE. That is comic FACT not speculation or opinion. A legit crossover showed this. So take your argument to DC and if need be ask them to recon the storyline. You seem to be a person of reason and you can not deny what I said. It happened, its canon, its Almagam crap but till DC does some recon facts stay facts and everything else is OUR opinions. Amalgam is not considered canon by neither Marvel nor DC. The Presence(DC) is equal to The-One-Above-All(Marvel) Lucifer and Michael, when together, are equal to The Presence. This is a fact that has been directly stated in the comics. Lucifer and Michael were the ones to create the DC Multiverse. Another fact. There is also the fact that the Amalgam, Marvel vs. DC crossover was published in 1996. DC has already been retconned after that, with Infinite Crisis and Final Crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shellsbut Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Amalgam is not considered canon by neither Marvel nor DC. The Presence(DC) is equal to The-One-Above-All(Marvel) Lucifer and Michael, when together, are equal to The Presence. This is a fact that has been directly stated in the comics. Lucifer and Michael were the ones to create the DC Multiverse. Another fact. There is also the fact that the Amalgam, Marvel vs. DC crossover was published in 1996. DC has already been retconned after that, with Infinite Crisis and Final Crisis. It is canon and was agreed on by both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LoneWolf Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 It is canon and was agreed on by bothSo, in essence.. LT>The Presence. That must mean that TOAA =/= Presence since TOAA>LT>Presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 It is canon and was agreed on by both It was canon, but it has been considered non-canon for quite some time. Just like the Silver Surfer vs. Green Lantern crossover is non-canon, and the Superman/Fantastic Four is non-canon. The only crossover that is currently considered Canon by both companies is the Avengers vs. JLA crossover. Amalgam being non-canon is the reason for why Access never appeared in Avengers vs. JLA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shellsbut Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 It was canon, but it has been considered non-canon for quite some time. Just like the Silver Surfer vs. Green Lantern crossover is non-canon, and the Superman/Fantastic Four is non-canon. The only crossover that is currently considered Canon by both companies is the Avengers vs. JLA crossover. Amalgam being non-canon is the reason for why Access never appeared in Avengers vs. JLA. See the point is it makes TLT superior to anything in the DCU and TLT is still not the top in the MArvel U. It is laid out right there in the comics so until DC does something about or recon it what I stated stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 See the point is it makes TLT superior to anything in the DCU and TLT is still not the top in the MArvel U. It is laid out right there in the comics so until DC does something about or recon it what I stated stands. Not quite. The Presence is equal to The-One-Above-All, which has been stated by both companies. Besides, since Amalgam is non-canon, that particular series of comics is not important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shellsbut Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Not quite. The Presence is equal to The-One-Above-All, which has been stated by both companies. Besides, since Amalgam is non-canon, that particular series of comics is not important. These are the facts anything you say is your speculation I put straight forward facts. The Brothers represented the whole of the Marvel DC U's yet due to Marvel recon having them as just playersin the hand of TLT means MArvel is superior. TLT > DC. Again argue the case to DC mabey they to will recon this. The stories were canon both companies argeed before they went ahead with it. So what I stated is true No one cares about the amalgamated characters, that may not be canon but the cross over was. argue to DC, ask them to recon it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 These are the facts anything you say is your speculation I put straight forward facts. The Brothers represented the whole of the Marvel DC U's yet due to Marvel recon having them as just playersin the hand of TLT means MArvel is superior. TLT > DC. Again argue the case to DC mabey they to will recon this. The stories were canon both companies argeed before they went ahead with it. So what I stated is true No one cares about the amalgamated characters, that may not be canon but the cross over was. argue to DC, ask them to recon it. Do you even read any of my posts? As I've already said once, DC has already been retconned more than once since the Amalgam crossovers were published. - fact The Presence and The-One-Above-All are considered equals by both companies. - fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shellsbut Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Do you even read any of my posts? As I've already said once, DC has already been retconned more than once since the Amalgam crossovers were published. - fact The Presence and The-One-Above-All are considered equals by both companies. - fact. Things were civil. Dc has NOT reconned the specific events of the cross over so please try not to lie. They have reconned much of there continuity but not specifically the crossover. Im am sure instead of reading my facts you will no doubt start throwing insults. Nothing they have reconned has anyone more powerful then the Brothers who were players in TLT hand. Even "IF" and that is IF the TOAA and the PResence are equal that would still mean TLT is above everything else in the DC U. Like I said let your insults begin I just posted the facts which you usually place such high morals on. Low and behold you ever admit to being wrong which you are. I fully expect you to get one of your chums to help dish out insults. I may be wrong in the chums comment but not in my facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Things were civil. Dc has NOT reconned the specific events of the cross over so please try not to lie. They have reconned much of there continuity but not specifically the crossover. Im am sure instead of reading my facts you will no doubt start throwing insults. Nothing they have reconned has anyone more powerful then the Brothers who were players in TLT hand. Even "IF" and that is IF the TOAA and the PResence are equal that would still mean TLT is above everything else in the DC U. Like I said let your insults begin I just posted the facts which you usually place such high morals on. Low and behold you ever admit to being wrong which you are. I fully expect you to get one of your chums to help dish out insults. I may be wrong in the chums comment but not in my facts. Ok, I've been re-reading some comics to refresh my memory. The only place we see the two Brothers, is in DC vs. Marvel. And no place in the DC vs. Marvel mini-series, is TLT shown to be above the Brothers. Quite the opposite actually, in the mini-series, TLT and Spectre are shown to be far less powerful than the Brothers. Now, I can post scans/Screenshots if needed. But if you can give me a comics issue of where TLT is shown to be more powerful than the Brothers, then I'll go read it for myself and refresh my memory on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Shellsbut, do you read other people's posts or skim them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shellsbut Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Ok, I've been re-reading some comics to refresh my memory. The only place we see the two Brothers, is in DC vs. Marvel. And no place in the DC vs. Marvel mini-series, is TLT shown to be above the Brothers. Quite the opposite actually, in the mini-series, TLT and Spectre are shown to be far less powerful than the Brothers. Now, I can post scans/Screenshots if needed. But if you can give me a comics issue of where TLT is shown to be more powerful than the Brothers, then I'll go read it for myself and refresh my memory on it. DO you read my posts???? Seriously do you?read Xmen it clearly shows the brothers as less then TLT. Hence according to a connon cross over TLT > DCU will post issue soon. You were wrong. Wow please try to read my posts. TLT working with The Spectre is a M body Adventures of the Xmen 12 shows TLT beyond the scope of the brothers. Fact. So LTL > DCU TAKE YOUR ARGUMENNT TO DC ask them to recon it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 DO you read my posts???? Seriously do you?read Xmen it clearly shows the brothers as less then TLT. Hence according to a connon cross over TLT > DCU will post issue soon. You were wrong. Wow please try to read my posts. TLT working with The Spectre is a M body Adventures of the Xmen 12 shows TLT beyond the scope of the brothers. Fact. So LTL > DCU TAKE YOUR ARGUMENNT TO DC ask them to recon it. Lol, no wonder I couldn't find it in the crossovers. Adventures of the X-men, is not part of the crossovers. It is not, nor has it ever, been acknowledged as part of the DCU continuity. Unless you have an actual Crossover comic that shows the same, it doesn't prove anything about DC. And thus, we are back to already stated facts: 1. The Presence and The-One-Above-All are considered equals by both companies 2. Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos, when together, are equal to The Presence, which makes them equal to The-One-Above-All. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shellsbut Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Lol, no wonder I couldn't find it in the crossovers. Adventures of the X-men, is not part of the crossovers. It is not, nor has it ever, been acknowledged as part of the DCU continuity. Unless you have an actual Crossover comic that shows the same, it doesn't prove anything about DC. And thus, we are back to already stated facts: 1. The Presence and The-One-Above-All are considered equals by both companies 2. Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos, when together, are equal to The Presence, which makes them equal to The-One-Above-All. MArvel was smart enough to recon the events DC did not TLT > DCU again go write DC and beg for a recon. Facts are facts you post is opinion and your iterpretation. So I post facts you post your opinion. The Brothers were the supreme of both companies turns out wasnt so for marvel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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