The Joker VS Deathstroke

[Guest sirmethos]

Yo, Bigballerju, that was rookie Kyle. The kid had just seen his teammates get owned by Deathstroke, cut him some slack.

 

 

Wait, what? That made absolutely no sense. Are you taking away from Deathstroke's hardcoreness because he's not Prometheus (who is also quite skilled)? Because he doesn't have massive superpowers or a computer in his head? That makes no sense Methos. His mind is his superpower.

 

And yes, being a [email protected]$$ was made easy in the 90s, but that doesn't matter. In fact, that should take away from Prometheus. Deathstroke was [email protected]$$ before being [email protected]$$ was cool.

 

And I guesss all of Batman's fights are PIS as well, since he doesn't have any powers either.

 

Wow, it's been a long time since I've seen anyone misunderstand one of my posts that badly.

 

I completely agree that Deathstroke is one of the most hardcore street level characters, if you try looking at various matches, you'll see me as one of the few debating on the side of Deathstroke against pretty much anyone that isn't super powered.

 

 

The reason that Deathstroke's fight against JLA is considered PIS by a lot of people is, as I explained in the quoted post, because people don't understand his power(s).

 

If you don't understand his power(s), then what you see is basically just a slightly augmented human. And from that perspective(however wrong it is), the JLA fight makes no sense. Hence, PIS.

 

 

Prometheus' power(s) are simple, explained and easily understood. People have no problem understanding his power(s), thus people accept his victory over the JLA.

 

 

I hope this, slightly, more simplified explanation clears things up for you.(didn't think Marvel Man was ever gonna be one of the people I'd have to explain something in simple terms for...)

[Guest SSGoku]

Deathstroke takes this easily. Joker is only still alive today because Batman is able to withstand the urge he has to kill him. That and Superman and Gordon being around the times that Batman did snap and almost killed him. Deathstroke on the other hand, can actually hold his own in a straight up fight with his enemies.

 

As for Deathstroke beating the Justice League, I find it hilarious that he has evolved from a guy I remember being beaten by a one shot villain with a sword in his own comic, to being able to defeat the Justice League. But then if one thing can be said about comics, it's that they're inconsistent at times.

But on the flip side, if Joker were ever serious, and I mean REALLY serious, like when the laughter stops serious, if he were ever THAT serious, IMO even Batman himself would lose.

[OMFG]

But on the flip side, if Joker were ever serious, and I mean REALLY serious, like when the laughter stops serious, if he were ever THAT serious, IMO even Batman himself would lose.

Why do you over-estimate Joker so much?

Sure he can murder multiple people, but so what?

The " Evilest " thing he has done to the Bat Family is, Killed Jason Todd and his Mom ( The Fan's Chose That ) and Shot Oracle In The Spine.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

Why do you over-estimate Joker so much?

Sure he can murder multiple people, but so what?

The " Evilest " thing he has done to the Bat Family is, Killed Jason Todd and his Mom ( The Fan's Chose That ) and Shot Oracle In The Spine.

uuhhh and he kidnapped Gordon, got him naked, hosed him off, beat the shit out of him, showed him pictures of his daughter in agony, all for the sake of trying to make Gordon go crazy.

[OMFG]

uuhhh and he kidnapped Gordon, got him naked, hosed him off, beat the shit out of him, showed him pictures of his daughter in agony, all for the sake of trying to make Gordon go crazy.

And that two.

[Guest SSGoku]

Why do you over-estimate Joker so much?

Why do you overestimate Deathstroke so much?

[OMFG]

Why do you overestimate Deathstroke so much?

I don't.

I just know he is capable of beating a Lunatic with no past experience.

I mean, what was he a lowly criminal that fell into Radioactive Waste?

What can he do to hurt Deathstroke? So it's a war, I'm sure that hired guns and a couple of goons would be no problem with Deathstroke.

Now how Joker handle a couple of Hired Guns?

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

I don't.

I just know he is capable of beating a Lunatic with no past experience.

I mean, what was he a lowly criminal that fell into Radioactive Waste?

What can he do to hurt Deathstroke? So it's a war, I'm sure that hired guns and a couple of goons would be no problem with Deathstroke.

Now how Joker handle a couple of Hired Guns?

thing is, Deatshtroke has tried and failed to kill Joker

[AVP vs The Terminator]

thing is, Deatshtroke has tried and failed to kill Joker

It only happened once; it was more than likely a fluke. Also, Deathstroke will have learned from his mistakes there.

[OMFG]

It only happened once; it was more than likely a fluke. Also, Deathstroke will have learned from his mistakes there.

This is the only one of Joker Vs DS

 

[kainboa]

Deathstroke is one of the worlds most effective assassins and mercenaries, compared to that the Joker is 'just' a crimeboss.

 

Deathstroke would have no trouble finding and killing the Joker, before the Joker even knew he was there.

[Guest force_echo]

Lol. Slade just got owned by Joker.

[Guest SSGoku]

This is the only one of Joker Vs DS

 

Aren't you saying DS will win? This isn't helping your case very much.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

This is the only one of Joker Vs DS

 

... Well, that was fairly... stupid. Considering Deathstroke possesses instantaneous reflexes, he should have been able to catch/otherwise intercept the blade..

[Guest Soberguy]

Deathstroke possesses instantaneous reflexes ... Well, that's fairly... stupid.

 

FIXED.

[Guest bigballerju]

Marvel Man I totally forgot that Kyle was a rookie and that when Kyle was a Green Lantern he was literally the only one. Kyle didn't get that training on OA like Green Lanterns are suppose too. Kyle had to learn as he went. But before that Kyle had used constructs so I don't know why he didn't use so that part is stupid. I will accept being a rookie and not having the proper training he didn't know about the ring's other abilities which wasn't his fault.

 

Now as far as Deathstroke is concerned my problem with him is while he is very good. Deathstroke is not unbeatable by any means which seems to be the constant thing here on CBUB when he is in any match. There is plenty of times Slade has got smacked around. Recently in Titans 38 he did by Red Arrow.

 

Last Deathstroke easily kills Joker and wins the war with little effort. Deathstroke's whole thing is planning, prep, and always being two steps ahead of his opponent when it comes to these type of things. Deathstroke is superior in tactical skills, intellect, and more.

[Guest SSGoku]

edit

[AVP vs The Terminator]

FIXED.

[C.T.]

What I find funny is that no one questions that Bruce Wayne can take out the Justice League with his plans, but once Slade does it(almost), its a giant PIS turkey. If you don't understand his powers, that's fine. Even without them, he is for all intents and purposes a Batman playing for another team.

[Marvel Man]

Wrong. Batman has beaten Deathstroke alone. Also, Batman is more skilled.

Eh. The skill is debatable. I would put Batman above Deathstroke, but only due to his vast resources, gadgets, and intelligence. However, if you dropped Deathstroke and Batman into a steel cage with no items, my money's on Deathstroke.

 

And a redeeming Deathstroke scan:

 

I hope this, slightly, more simplified explanation clears things up for you.(didn't think Marvel Man was ever gonna be one of the people I'd have to explain something in simple terms for...)

Ah...

 

Well, sorry Methos. I haven't made that bad of a reply on a post in a long time. I understand and agree with your points.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

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On the flip side I think after that fight Slade remarks that if Batman was enhanced as he is, then Batman would beat him every time.

[Guest bigballerju]

People don't have a problem with Deathstroke taking out the JLA. People have a problem with the way Deathstroke took out the JLA.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

People don't have a problem with Deathstroke taking out the JLA. People have a problem with the way Deathstroke took out the JLA.

Which is more or less the same thing

[Guest bigballerju]

No there is a difference. People don't have a problem with Deathstroke actually taking out the Justice League overall. They have a problem with certain ways Deathstroke took out the JLA members. Kyle for example was taken out in a stupid way. But I'm sorry he may have been a rookie but that doesn't excuse why he didn't use contructs against Slade. Kyle had been using contructs before facing Slade so there is no reason why he would not have against Slade.

 

Now the way Slade took out Flash with the explosives was awesome. Flash after going around and more only had one way to go. Into Slade's sword and Flash was moving so fast he didn't have time to avoid it by the time he saw it.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

People seem to thing that Deathstroke was slowly moving from one JLA member to another; you have to take into account that Deathstroke was on a roll here. He was literally jumping to one member, taking them down in 1-2 moves then instantly moving on to the next. The events depicted in the pages Marv posted earlier would have transpired in seconds, so put yourself in Kyle's mindset; there's a good chance he was thinking something along the lines of 'Holy crap Deathstroke just took down the Justice League and is now standing in front of me about to strike!!11!!!!'. So, being the rookie he was at that point, he reacted instinctively; Instead of using the ring to its full extent, he threw a wild punch.