Achilles and Leonidas: Whose better?

[Guest skadoosh]

Achilles and Leonidas, from the films Troy and 300, respectively, are two of the greatest warriors in fictitious history. I want to determine who is superior, at least in specific ways, for a match up im going to make using one, or maybe both, of them as an opponent for someone else... Whether i use one or both, its useful, and interesting, to know what CBUBers think and why.

 

To help determine who is the superior warrior please answer each of the following questions:

 

1. Who is the better armed combatant, using their personal sword, spear, shield, and armor?

 

2. Who is the better unarmed combatant?

 

3. Who is physically superior, in terms of the following; strength; speed; agility/free-running?

 

4. Who is better at stealthy combat?

[Guest Djgambrell]

Achilles and Leonidas, from the films Troy and 300, respectively, are two of the greatest warriors in fictitious history. I want to determine who is superior, at least in specific ways, for a match up im going to make using one, or maybe both, of them as an opponent for someone else... Whether i use one or both, its useful, and interesting, to know what CBUBers think and why.

 

To help determine who is the superior warrior please answer each of the following questions:

 

1. Who is the better armed combatant, using their personal sword, spear, shield, and armor?

 

2. Who is the better unarmed combatant?

 

3. Who is physically superior, in terms of the following; strength; speed; agility/free-running?

 

4. Who is better at stealthy combat?

I would say Achilles is best on all counts. Though I like Leonidas better. Achilles was given near invulnerability while Leonidas was just a man and he knew so. Achilles ran into battle knowing he had little to fear while Leonidas knew he was likely to die and still stood his ground against overwhelming odds.

[jesus20456]

Achilles and Leonidas, from the films Troy and 300, respectively, are two of the greatest warriors in fictitious history. I want to determine who is superior, at least in specific ways, for a match up im going to make using one, or maybe both, of them as an opponent for someone else... Whether i use one or both, its useful, and interesting, to know what CBUBers think and why.

 

To help determine who is the superior warrior please answer each of the following questions:

 

1. Who is the better armed combatant, using their personal sword, spear, shield, and armor?

 

2. Who is the better unarmed combatant?

 

3. Who is physically superior, in terms of the following; strength; speed; agility/free-running?

 

4. Who is better at stealthy combat?

Achilles, being half god, pwns Leonidas.

[Guest skadoosh]

Good points, but remember, this is the version of Achilles from the film Troy, so he doesnt have any God-like powers, hes just a very skilled, more realistic version of Achilles.

[Guest sirmethos]

1. Achilles

 

2. Probably about even, with Leonidas having the advantage in grabbling, and Achilles having the advantage in a more standard kick/punch fight.

 

3. strength - Leonidas, speed - Achilles, agility/free-running - Achilles, Stamina and Durability/toughness goes to Leonidas.

 

4. Achilles.

[Guest skadoosh]

Cheers for the answers dude.

[Guest Bladephyre]

1. Achilles

 

2. Probably about even, with Leonidas having the advantage in grabbling, and Achilles having the advantage in a more standard kick/punch fight.

 

3. strength - Leonidas, speed - Achilles, agility/free-running - Achilles, Stamina and Durability/toughness goes to Leonidas.

 

4. Achilles.

 

I agree with you on all but the Stealth, Achilles was usually pretty arrogant, so he did not use stealth as much, he was much more the charge and crush the enemy kind of warrior. Leonidas on the other hand used whatever tactic was needed to win a battle, stealth while not one of the Spartan main tactics would have been used more than Achilles did. Also I would not call the trojan horse a stealth tactic, I would call it a siege tactic.

[Guest skadoosh]

I agree with you on all but the Stealth, Achilles was usually pretty arrogant, so he did not use stealth as much, he was much more the charge and crush the enemy kind of warrior. Leonidas on the other hand used whatever tactic was needed to win a battle, stealth while not one of the Spartan main tactics would have been used more than Achilles did. Also I would not call the trojan horse a stealth tactic, I would call it a siege tactic.

 

Very good points about Leonidas' tactics dude. Thanks for the comment.

[C.T.]

Also...Leonidas is at a disadvantage here...considering the film version only has 2 pieces of armor, the helmet and the shield, leaving 85% of the body unprotected. Also, Leonidas is more accustomed to working as a unit with a Spartan phalanx whereas Achilles is the epitome of the lone wolf.

[Guest skadoosh]

Also...Leonidas is at a disadvantage here...considering the film version only has 2 pieces of armor, the helmet and the shield, leaving 85% of the body unprotected. Also, Leonidas is more accustomed to working as a unit with a Spartan phalanx whereas Achilles is the epitome of the lone wolf.

 

True, but Leonidas was shown to fight perfectly well by himself, and the lack of armor does make him faster and more agile. Achilles will be slower because hes wearing more armor, and, as has been previously mentioned, he is a proud man...

[Guest Dr. Pymp(mex)]

Hello ya'll. I think Brad Pitt wins because in the movies, he mastered all forms of combat. He was a great spear thrower, swordsman, used shields great, was quick, fast, and he knew how to fight alone or in a unit.

 

 

 

 

Leonidas, is great, and both being just men, would be a great fight, but Leonidas doesn't last too long vs someone that made Hector dead real quick.

[Guest skadoosh]

Hello ya'll. I think Brad Pitt wins because in the movies, he mastered all forms of combat. He was a great spear thrower, swordsman, used shields great, was quick, fast, and he knew how to fight alone or in a unit.

 

 

 

 

Leonidas, is great, and both being just men, would be a great fight, but Leonidas doesn't last too long vs someone that made Hector dead real quick.

 

Although you make some good points, this isnt a fight between Achilles and Leonidas. Ive written a set of questions in the set-up.

[Guest Dr. Pymp(mex)]

Although you make some good points, this isnt a fight between Achilles and Leonidas. Ive written a set of questions in the set-up.

 

 

oops lol. I thought you asked vs each other.

 

Individually I would give Achilles an overall better combatant ribbon. He is possibly even physically stronger. Both were greek and even though Spartans were tough, or maybe the toughest, Achilles was a natural, plus he trained as much as anyone in his time. (presumably)

 

vs each other Brad Pitt wins, in a tests of skills Leonidas loses (as he was trained mostly in gladius and shield, or spear and shield, though I am sure he can shoot a bow and all that other jazz.

[Guest skadoosh]

oops lol. I thought you asked vs each other.

 

Individually I would give Achilles an overall better combatant ribbon. He is possibly even physically stronger. Both were greek and even though Spartans were tough, or maybe the toughest, Achilles was a natural, plus he trained as much as anyone in his time. (presumably)

 

vs each other Brad Pitt wins, in a tests of skills Leonidas loses (as he was trained mostly in gladius and shield, or spear and shield, though I am sure he can shoot a bow and all that other jazz.

 

Its cool. Preciate the comment dude.

[Guest Omega11]

Also I would not call the trojan horse a stealth tactic, I would call it a siege tactic.

 

How on earth can the Trojan Horse not be considered a stealth tactic? The men inside had to remain hidden and not make a sound for hours while waiting for night. They then had to quietly get out of the horse and proceed to eliminate any sentries without raising the alarm. This is the definition of stealth!

[Guest Bladephyre]

How on earth can the Trojan Horse not be considered a stealth tactic? The men inside had to remain hidden and not make a sound for hours while waiting for night. They then had to quietly get out of the horse and proceed to eliminate any sentries before without raising the alarm. This is the definition of stealth!

 

That is a military siege tactic, it just happens to be sneaky. Stealth, as this is comparing the 2 individuals, is a single person aspect, A person sneaking by guards and taking out a leader is a stealth tactic. A group of men tunneling under a city wall is a siege tactic that is stealthy.

[Guest Omega11]

That is a military siege tactic, it just happens to be sneaky. Stealth, as this is comparing the 2 individuals, is a single person aspect, A person sneaking by guards and taking out a leader is a stealth tactic. A group of men tunneling under a city wall is a siege tactic that is stealthy.

 

That sounds familiar...

 

They then had to quietly get out of the horse and proceed to eliminate any sentries without raising the alarm.

 

Oh that's right.

 

Regardless of how you want to classify the terms, Achilles showed much more stealth during the Trojan Horse gambit than King "THIS IS SPARTA!" Leonidas did in his entire movie.

[G4hardcore]

I agree with you on all but the Stealth, Achilles was usually pretty arrogant, so he did not use stealth as much, he was much more the charge and crush the enemy kind of warrior. Leonidas on the other hand used whatever tactic was needed to win a battle, stealth while not one of the Spartan main tactics would have been used more than Achilles did. Also I would not call the trojan horse a stealth tactic, I would call it a siege tactic.

Achilles was arrogant, but he was also a good planner. In terms of stealth, the trojan horse should definitely be counted. Also recall when Achilles led Hector's men into the temple of Apollo and had his men ambush Hector's. That means he has to be capable of short term planning at the very least.

 

How on earth can the Trojan Horse not be considered a stealth tactic? The men inside had to remain hidden and not make a sound for hours while waiting for night. They then had to quietly get out of the horse and proceed to eliminate any sentries without raising the alarm. This is the definition of stealth!

Precisely.

[Guest skadoosh]

So, the general consensus is that, overall, Achilles is superior to Leonidas?

[G4hardcore]

So, the general consensus is that, overall, Achilles is superior to Leonidas?

Yes, seems that way.

[C.T.]

Vincent Regan takes them both out, considering he was the second in command to both of them in the movies and know their weaknesses.

[Marvel Man]

So, the general consensus is that, overall, Achilles is superior to Leonidas?

Yep. Which makes sense considering one was historical while the other was a mythological figure.

[Guest skadoosh]

Yep. Which makes sense considering one was historical while the other was a mythological figure.

 

Im using the film versions of both men.

[Guest skadoosh]

Vincent Regan takes them both out, considering he was the second in command to both of them in the movies and know their weaknesses.

 

That doesnt count dude! But good answer.

[C.T.]

Oops. Ignore this.