Superman Family vs Z-Fighters

[Guest bigballerju]

Bardock was mentioned in the original anime when Frieza either first see's Goku or when Frieza first realizes Goku may be a serious threat . Bardock was also shown in Dragonball Kai episode 1 when they did Goku's backstory.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

Superman family....

Way to contribute.....

 

Anyways SSGoku, where is the official rule book that says filler doesn't count? Or are you just saying that because you have no proof to back your claims?

 

I guess it is moot anyways, because Bardock is proof enough. Before you say "Well Frieza said Goku can't breathe in space" Frieza is the same guy that doesn't know what five minutes is.

[Guest Dr. Pymp(mex)]

AVP I apologize for jumping the gun. I merely meant that it is not a fanboy to like something and make a discussion about it, but yes It's a fanboy to think Galactus could lose to Goku, but it is not impossible given the fact that Galactus gets beaten by FF4 in his weaken state, since GOku is 100000 times more powerful than any FF4 member, Goku can beat him in that specific situation.

 

The whole getting hurt by a rock? um thats called cartoon humor. Comics don't have that too much since they are comics and not cartoons, but Deadpool would be the same thing, him being taken as a comical relief most of the time. If people say that Chi-Chi scares Goku therefore she is > than him thats counter fanboy

 

 

Again I apologize for jumping the gun, I have given the impression to Hayes, Nova and others that I am a fanboy for reasons that they think are valid. So I am just being defensive.

[Guest Shockwave]

Way to contribute.....

 

Anyways SSGoku, where is the official rule book that says filler doesn't count? Or are you just saying that because you have no proof to back your claims?

 

I guess it is moot anyways, because Bardock is proof enough. Before you say "Well Frieza said Goku can't breathe in space" Frieza is the same guy that doesn't know what five minutes is.

As for many series fans, Filler is considered non-cannon due to it not being part of the manga. As such they see it as added and do not count it.

 

The biggest fiend in this regard is Naruto with 90 episodes of filler, none of them are mentioned again after they occur. As such, they don't exist and don't contribute, and cause nothing but a waste of time.

 

In other series you know that they are filler and you don't care. Best is Chopperman and Strawhat Oyabun for examples.

[C.T.]

but yes It's a fanboy to think Galactus could lose to Goku, but it is not impossible given the fact that Galactus gets beaten by FF4 in his weaken state, since GOku is 100000 times more powerful than any FF4 member, Goku can beat him in that specific situation.

 

Ok let's something straight. The first time Galactus heads to Earth, he is defeated by the efforts of the Fantastic Four, Uatu the Watcher, and a rebellious Silver Surfer. The latter two can own Goku any day of the week.

 

Galactus later returns seeking his former Herald, but the Surfer is unrepentant and chooses to remain on Earth.

 

Once more returning to Earth, Galactus again seeks to re-enlist the Silver Surfer. However, the Fantastic Four and the Surfer defeat Galactus' herald, Air-Walker, and Mr. Fantastic reprograms Galactus's ship to journey to the Negative Zone, stated to contain an abundance of uninhabited worlds to consume. Again, the Surfer helps them.

 

Then the next time, he retreats from the F4 because Reed threatened him with the Ultimate Nullifier, a weapon that can easily destroy galaxies.

[Indolent]

Didn't Goku get hit by that same lightning bolt after he dodged the first time? If he could evade it, then why did it hit him afterwards? Because if he's like totally capable of evading lightning bolts, he should be able to do it again within a split moment, right? o.o

 

All this aside, Shockwave's right, Vegito would be the only one capable of going toe to toe with the Supermen family, in terms of speed.

 

Needless to say, the Supermen Family takes it.

[Guest Dr. Pymp(mex)]

Ok let's something straight. The first time Galactus heads to Earth, he is defeated by the efforts of the Fantastic Four, Uatu the Watcher, and a rebellious Silver Surfer. The latter two can own Goku any day of the week.

 

Galactus later returns seeking his former Herald, but the Surfer is unrepentant and chooses to remain on Earth.

 

Once more returning to Earth, Galactus again seeks to re-enlist the Silver Surfer. However, the Fantastic Four and the Surfer defeat Galactus' herald, Air-Walker, and Mr. Fantastic reprograms Galactus's ship to journey to the Negative Zone, stated to contain an abundance of uninhabited worlds to consume. Again, the Surfer helps them.

 

Then the next time, he retreats from the F4 because Reed threatened him with the Ultimate Nullifier, a weapon that can easily destroy galaxies.

 

Ok while we are on that it was mister fantastic who saved him, the thing punched him and he hurt the big G plus the watcher didn't do anything. Galactus is not always as he should be. I like to think if Thing can punch him an hurt him then goku can beat him.

 

Not saying he can every time though

[Guest sirmethos]

The saiyans can breathe in space.

 

No, they really can't.

 

You're actually wrong about the Z-Fighters not surviving in space part. Krillin, Tien and Yamcha can't, but the Saiyans can (Bardock clearly demonstrates that Saiyans can breath in space). So can Piccolo and 18.

 

Again, no, they really can't. Bardock didn't breathe in space, so I fail to see how he demonstrated it.

[Guest shellsbut]

Z Fighters aren't fast enough to win, even with SS3 characters.

 

 

Piccolo stated Raditz moved at near light speed. SS are easily as fast as the Superman family. And SS3 characters destroy the Supes familiy with little effort. Again the Supes familiy getrs destroyed

[Indolent]

That was a dub error. >.>

[Guest sirmethos]

Piccolo stated Raditz moved at near light speed. SS are easily as fast as the Superman family. And SS3 characters destroy the Supes familiy with little effort. Again the Supes familiy getrs destroyed

 

Uh, no. I'm sitting with the manga in front of me right now and Piccolo never said anything even close to that.

 

 

At no point in DBZ, does anyone make any mention of lightspeed in comparison to the speed of the fighters.

[Guest shellsbut]

Uh, no. I'm sitting with the manga in front of me right now and Piccolo never said anything even close to that.

 

 

At no point in DBZ, does anyone make any mention of lightspeed in comparison to the speed of the fighters.

he shoots of his special beam cannon point blank Raditz dodges it and he s that means he moves faster then...Just go on youtube to see it.

[Guest shellsbut]

EXACT WORDS

 

"He dodged it, he's faster then the speed of light. And thats low level Raditz

 

link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRh8qtMQXos

[Indolent]

he shoots of his special beam cannon point blank Raditz dodges it and he s that means he moves faster then...Just go on youtube to see it.

EXACT WORDS

 

"He dodged it, he's faster then the speed of light. And thats low level Raditz

 

link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRh8qtMQXos

 

That was a dub error. >.>

 

Jeez. >.>

[Guest shellsbut]

the show is canon

[Guest Dr. Pymp(mex)]

This is hat I mean guys. I'm a huge fan of dbz. Ask sirmethos and nova, I argue dbz all day, but to say that they can breathe in space is wrong, and to say that they cannot survive in space is wrong too. They were clearly in space, if not so close that there was definitely no oxygen, so they did prove they can survive in space for short periods of times. I don't understand why you guys can't believe that? If you want proof then read it, but that also goes the other way where they cannot breathe in space and survive anymore than we can if we had no oxygen. In dragon ball they are seen surviving cold and hot temperatures( time chamber ). Hulk needs air and yet he too can survive in space for short time.

[Guest shellsbut]

This is hat I mean guys. I'm a huge fan of dbz. Ask sirmethos and nova, I argue dbz all day, but to say that they can breathe in space is wrong, and to say that they cannot survive in space is wrong too. They were clearly in space, if not so close that there was definitely no oxygen, so they did prove they can survive in space for short periods of times. I don't understand why you guys can't believe that? If you want proof then read it, but that also goes the other way where they cannot breathe in space and survive anymore than we can if we had no oxygen. In dragon ball they are seen surviving cold and hot temperatures( time chamber ). Hulk needs air and yet he too can survive in space for short time.

 

 

Z fighters deffinately need air. That can not be argued. As of Pre Planet Hulk though, Hulk does not need to breath when in space as stated by Nick Fury

[Indolent]

the show is canon

There is a difference between the show being canon and there being a dub error within said said.

 

It was a dub error therefore its not counted.

[Indolent]

This is hat I mean guys. I'm a huge fan of dbz. Ask sirmethos and nova, I argue dbz all day, but to say that they can breathe in space is wrong, and to say that they cannot survive in space is wrong too. They were clearly in space, if not so close that there was definitely no oxygen, so they did prove they can survive in space for short periods of times. I don't understand why you guys can't believe that? If you want proof then read it, but that also goes the other way where they cannot breathe in space and survive anymore than we can if we had no oxygen. In dragon ball they are seen surviving cold and hot temperatures( time chamber ). Hulk needs air and yet he too can survive in space for short time.

Hulk is capable of holding his breath for an incredibly long time, and as you said, he survived in space for a short while. Simply because he can hold his breath for a long time.

 

Also, where did Nick Fury State this? I have the comic before his exile to Sakaar, and Fury says nothing like that.

[Guest sirmethos]

EXACT WORDS

 

"He dodged it, he's faster then the speed of light. And thats low level Raditz

 

link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRh8qtMQXos

 

Actually, his exact words are: "He...He side-stepped it...!!" "But no one... Can move so quickly..."(if needs be, I'll provide a screenshot)

 

Notice that there is no mention of lightspeed.

 

 

As I already said, I'm sitting with the manga right in front of me.

 

 

the show is canon

 

When talking about canon, the show(anime) < the Manga.

 

 

Z fighters deffinately need air. That can not be argued. As of Pre Planet Hulk though, Hulk does not need to breath when in space as stated by Nick Fury

 

 

Actually, Fury didn't say that Hulk doesn't need to breathe when in space. That was pure speculation.(Again, if needs be, I'll provide a screenshot.)

[Guest Dr. Pymp(mex)]

Hulk is capable of holding his breath for an incredibly long time, and as you said, he survived in space for a short while. Simply because he can hold his breath for a long time.

 

Also, where did Nick Fury State this? I have the comic before his exile to Sakaar, and Fury says nothing like that.

 

 

Nick Fury? I never mentioned him? If you meant my read it part, I was talking about bardock. I'm sure there is something showing something. Or the movie had it. Hulk was not holding his breathe. In Infinity Wars Hulk is talking while holding on to Drax. But yes I mean to say that Bardock was in the upmost highest layer of the atmosphere where there is no way anyone can survive, so yes they can survive in it for a while. Plus wasn't he rushing Frieza? So yeah I'm sure he knew he could do it. Let's not go back and forth. These are trivial things! Just like it was said that since the show or anime does not show them training martial arts and eventhough dbz is solely based on a martial arts show, and clearly they train everyday, since they mention itto eah other, but what's the point of someone like me saying this when all that will happen is you guys say "they are too slow". But then someone way slower hits dc and it's comic mechanics lol

[Guest sirmethos]

you guys say "they are too slow". But then someone way slower hits dc and it's comic mechanics lol

 

Try getting a friend of yours, to move in slow-motion, and while doing that, he tries to hit you.

 

That's how people move to Superman(and anyone else with anything even Close to light-speed reflexes). Once you've done that, you might be starting to understand why it's considered "Comics Mechanics" when "someone way slower hits them".

 

 

And again, Bardock didn't breathe in space, there was air where he was when he died.

[Indolent]

Nick Fury? I never mentioned him? If you meant my read it part, I was talking about bardock. I'm sure there is something showing something. Or the movie had it. Hulk was not holding his breathe. In Infinity Wars Hulk is talking while holding on to Drax. But yes I mean to say that Bardock was in the upmost highest layer of the atmosphere where there is no way anyone can survive, so yes they can survive in it for a while. Plus wasn't he rushing Frieza? So yeah I'm sure he knew he could do it. Let's not go back and forth. These are trivial things! Just like it was said that since the show or anime do not show them training martial arts like you guys think t should be taught that they are not as good as martial arts as batman, eventhough dbz is solely based on a martial arts show, and clearly they train everyday, but what's the point of someone like me saying this when all that will happen is you guys say "they are too slow". But then someone way slower hits dc and it's comic mechanics lol

I was aiming the second part of that post at Shellsbut, my bad.

 

DBZ has nothing like Comic Mechanics and there's really no reason for it. Seeing as how its "Fight the more powerful enemy next" in DBZ whereas in Marvel/DC... anything happens unlike DBZ's linear concept. But then again, you might not understand this as before so... we won't go back and forth as you'd like.

[Guest Djgambrell]

As soon as Pymp, methos, and Jaegar come together I bring a nice bag of Don't give a damn.

[Guest sirmethos]

It all comes down to what I mentioned in my original post.

 

Does DBZ follow basic laws of physics or not?

 

 

If DBZ follows basic laws of physics(like the light-speed barrier and sound waves needing a medium to travel through), then DBZ characters are not faster than light, and Saiyans can't breathe in space. In which case the only DBZ character that has anything resembling a chance against a Kryptonian, is Vegito(SS2 or above).

 

If DBZ does not follow basic laws of physics, then DBZ characters are a LOT faster than light(SS4, assuming an SS1 power level of 150.000.000, would be roughly 95 thousand times faster than light), and it is a very real possibility that Saiyans could breathe in space. In which case, any high-level DBZ character would smack a Kryptonian(or even an army of kryptonians) around like a redheaded stepchild at Walmarts.