Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 The max Kaio-ken he had brought him up to 60 million, half of Frieza's total power. Jubilee to Goku is more of a gap than Goku vs Frieza...assuming we mean SS3 Goku. Kid Goku compared to Jubilee...less of a gap than Goku and Frieza. Im sure he could have gone higher than Kao-Ken x1, possibly even Kao-Ken x20 since he did that.Jubilee is regular human with an ability to shoot sparks, we can do the math on that. lol Until she can tank a gun blasts, she cannot beat Goku. Even little Goku can tank a gunshot. Sure if we go back far enough, when Jubilee is in her current form and Goku is an infant, she might still lose if he turns ape lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Im sure he could have gone higher than Kao-Ken x1, possibly even Kao-Ken x20 since he did that.Jubilee is regular human with an ability to shoot sparks, we can do the math on that. lol Until she can tank a gun blasts, she cannot beat Goku. Even little Goku can tank a gunshot. Sure if we go back far enough, when Jubilee is in her current form and Goku is an infant, she might still lose if he turns ape lmao He did go x20. That still left him only half as strong as Frieza. Jubilee's a human with potential to destroy your molecular structure, not just shooting sparks. She doesn't have to tank gunshots to beat Goku you moron. No, Jubilee would kick Goku's ass as an infant ape. Not to mention current Jubilee is now also a vampire, with super strength, durability, speed, healing factor and the ability to turn into mist. Goku couldn't even hit her like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 He did go x20. That still left him only half as strong as Frieza. Jubilee's a human with potential to destroy your molecular structure, not just shooting sparks. She doesn't have to tank gunshots to beat Goku you moron. No, Jubilee would kick Goku's ass as an infant ape. Not to mention current Jubilee is now also a vampire, with super strength, durability, speed, healing factor and the ability to turn into mist. Goku couldn't even hit her like that. really, so if her sparks(yes they are sparks (at most they can do about as much damage as a small grenade) can't harm someone who is bullet proof, how will she do that? Listen to yourself, she has the potential, not the actual power. Thats Marvel's way of saying if we get bored we will up her powers. Show me where she has done that, Don't call me a moron, because she hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 It shows she's capable of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 I see her not doing it, but someone doing it for her, and that also doesn't show she has done it. Even so, by the time it was done, she would be ko'ed. Thanks for the upload though, (not being sarcastic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 It shows she can do it, if she wasn't afraid of doing it. She was afraid, so someone borrowed her power and did it. Being KO'ed...debatable. You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 It shows she can do it, if she wasn't afraid of doing it. She was afraid, so someone borrowed her power and did it. Being KO'ed...debatable. You're welcome. Not disputing that Nova, my whole thing was that since she hasn't done it, we shouldn't use that. I mentioned her vs Goku to just make an example that DBZ gets slapped around by you guys because people in Marvel have the potential to do (insert feat here) even though they haven't. Same goes with saying that Goku has no defense for telepathy, even though they haven't been attacked by telepathy the way Emma Frost or X can do. I don't go around saying that Goku can, just that it's an assumption that since he is real powerful, and has telepathy, that it would not be a stretch to say he can defend vs mind attacks, You guys get on me for that, which is the same thing that we are doing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 People in DBZ have had there minds taken over very easy so yeah against a telepathy like Emma Frost they would be screwed. Goku really doesn't have telepathy. King Kai usually does all the telepathy from what I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 People in DBZ have had there minds taken over very easy so yeah against a telepathy like Emma Frost they would be screwed. Goku really doesn't have telepathy. King Kai usually does all the telepathy from what I see. When have they had their minds taken over? If you mean Vegeta turning Majin Vegeta, he let it happen since it was not just mind control, but also magical in nature, (qi boost)Goku spoke to Gohan as they fought Vegeta, and other examples. Again I could argue the other way around, which is why I get called fanboy, since there is no proof that telepathy wuld work or wouldn't work on DBZ people, sure I am not saying it can't but when Goku is multi-planet buster, it doesn't seem plausible that someone like Emma could do it, especially since in DBZ everything is based on how much qi you have. I know they all have telepathy, but having it and being powerful with it, are two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Unless DBZ fighters have mental defenses against telepathy then telepathy would work on DBZ Fighters. They don't all have telepathy in DBZ by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Unless DBZ fighters have mental defenses against telepathy then telepathy would work on DBZ Fighters. They don't all have telepathy in DBZ by the way. lol, ok we can have 100 pages, it won't change our opinions since I can say since there is only one instance that it was displayed in, and that time it was stated that Vegeta allowed it to happen, we annot say telepathy would work. But lets get back to the other guys.. I am sure we can come up with some mutual grounds with the other dudes, like Akuma, Ken, etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 She doesn't have to tank gunshots to beat Goku you moron. I had to quote this, I literally laughed out loud reading it. Listen to yourself, she has the potential, not the actual power. Thats Marvel's way of saying if we get bored we will up her powers. Show me where she has done that, Don't call me a moron, because she hasn't.That was the how the conversation even stared, "what if Jubilee used her potential". The conversation was hypothetical, but you were getting butt hurt about someone weaker then Goku being able to beat him to realize that. Jubilee can beat Goku in certain scenarios, rather easily. While training in Generation X, Emma Frost described Jubilee as having the untapped potential to detonate matter at a sub-atomic level, which in theory is the equivalent of a fusion bomb. Of course, the reverse is also true. It depends on the scenario.I bolded some key words for you :3 Notice that he said "the reverse is also true", in other words any one can beat anyone, in certain situations. I don't see why you are so confused pymp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 I'm not confused, this thing started with me saying that Jubilee losing in every normal circumstance vs Goku, even Kid Goku, with the exception if she even could do that on command, and if Goku let her hit him with it. Long story short, I was just stating that it is highly improbable that she could and since there is nothing on her actually doing that, should not even be mentioned.It seems like I(we) might be going in a circle, and I see that, but he feels that he needs to tell me otherwise, and I like going back and forth on it to further my sense of this. Back to the subject, I still say Goku has a more than great shot at winning, if we go by what they can do and have done, and not what they did in one instance or mentioned they can do. Midnighter can only play it out a million times and win if its even possible, so it's also a high chance that he will just see him losing a million times. Joker was able to confuse his computer, not that it matters here, but to show that it doesn't signify instant victory. His healing is strong, but even little Goku can take out Battleships with one blast. 3:53 is Goku's part. Sure, Midnighter was able to move as fast as Apollo for a few panels, and sure he can heal from a hole in his stomach, but he cannot fight like Goku, which by this time, is more powerful than Ironfist in my opinion. (power-wise, since Goku is probably close to 100 power level or so) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Deathstroke has the strength of ten men, I'm sure he could rip a cyborg apart.I doubt he could rip Cyrax or Sektor apart the way Sub-Zero does. Sub-Zero literally simply freezes the lower half of their body in half, grips them by the neck, and rips them in half (one-handed) without any difficulty at all. Grenades useless against a teleporter eh? Some would say using a sword against Flash would be useless, but Slade pulled it off.Right, except Flash runs in predictable patterns. Teleportation is random and spontaneous, Deathstroke won't be able to predict the exact spot Sub Zero appears in, so he won't be pulling anything like that here. I don't think Sub-Zero is that impressive, nothing Deathstroke can't handle, on blast from the lance and he is done.He can actually take several Energy Lance blasts without going down; he takes impalement and rockets to the chest and just shrugs it off. As opposed to Sub-Zero's Ice Blasts, which will take Deathstroke out with a single shot; and unlike Sub Zero, Deathstroke doesn't have anything that will allow him to avoid everything his opponent throws at him. His reflexes will only get him so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Back to the subject, I still say Goku has a more than great shot at winning, if we go by what they can do and have done, and not what they did in one instance or mentioned they can do. Midnighter can only play it out a million times and win if its even possible, so it's also a high chance that he will just see him losing a million times. Joker was able to confuse his computer, not that it matters here, but to show that it doesn't signify instant victory. His healing is strong, but even little Goku can take out Battleships with one blast. 3:53 is Goku's part. Sure, Midnighter was able to move as fast as Apollo for a few panels, and sure he can heal from a hole in his stomach, but he cannot fight like Goku, which by this time, is more powerful than Ironfist in my opinion. (power-wise, since Goku is probably close to 100 power level or so) That's non-canon(the vid), as it goes again/contradicts, the manga. His first Kamehameha actually looked like this: Still impressive, but not completely ridiculous like the anime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamagingRob Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 The vid he posted wasn't his first. is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 I doubt he could rip Cyrax or Sektor apart the way Sub-Zero does. Sub-Zero literally simply freezes the lower half of their body in half, grips them by the neck, and rips them in half (one-handed) without any difficulty at all. Right, except Flash runs in predictable patterns. Teleportation is random and spontaneous, Deathstroke won't be able to predict the exact spot Sub Zero appears in, so he won't be pulling anything like that here. He can actually take several Energy Lance blasts without going down; he takes impalement and rockets to the chest and just shrugs it off. As opposed to Sub-Zero's Ice Blasts, which will take Deathstroke out with a single shot; and unlike Sub Zero, Deathstroke doesn't have anything that will allow him to avoid everything his opponent throws at him. His reflexes will only get him so far.So saying the teleportation is random and spontaneous implies Sub-Zero isn't tactical with it. If you said precise and timed, it'd be different. I'd say that doesn't give Sub much of an advantage. Tanking rockets? Do you mean in the game? That would be the just how the game works. If it happened in a canon cut scene I'd have no problem with that feat, but otherwise I'd say it is a moot point. The energy lance hurts the likes of Starfire. Tamaranians are compared to Kryptonians in terms of their physical capabilities. That lance could take Zero's head clean off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Again, not if he simply teleports out of its path. Deathstroke cannot predict where Sub Zero will port, as there is no pattern to follow, no possible way of knowing where Zero will pop up next. And, while Sub Zero can dodge lance blasts with teleportation, Deathstroke simply has no way of dodging an ice blast launched from behind, which will completely submerge him in ice upon contact, effectively incapacitating him. Not to mention the fact that Zero can shatter the ice (and Stroke's body along with it) with a single punch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Again, not if he simply teleports out of its path. Deathstroke cannot predict where Sub Zero will port, as there is no pattern to follow, no possible way of knowing where Zero will pop up next. And, while Sub Zero can dodge lance blasts with teleportation, Deathstroke simply has no way of dodging an ice blast launched from behind, which will completely submerge him in ice upon contact, effectively incapacitating him. Not to mention the fact that Zero can shatter the ice (and Stroke's body along with it) with a single punch...I'm pretty sure DS advanced senses will hear the cracking ice forming behind him, and the just simply dodge. Slade is able to dodge Starfire's starbolts, and she remarks not even Kid Flash could do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Glad to see we have moved on. If I may, Deathstroke is capable of beating Sub-Zero, but Sub-Zero can win with ease if things go his way. Based on what everyone has written about Deathstroke, he has light speed reflexes, access to all his brain (doesn't really explain anything, since technically he would be smarter than Reeds, and able to do telepathy and telekinesis, etc.) helaing to some degree and has armour and weapons that are really durable. Sub-Zero has martial arts skills that are high end, being able to defeat Scorpion a few times( and he can teleport faster and better, that good old Sub's) ice ability that can freeze people or other objects, and has a badass ninja suit. lol Deathstroke wins due to him being able to outlast Sub-Zero. However it can go either way in the beginning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LoneWolf Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 This is kind of late... How did Midnighter beat Martian Manhunter? That seems pretty ridiculous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 This is kind of late... How did Midnighter beat Martian Manhunter? That seems pretty ridiculous... He didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Djgambrell Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 What if goku justs blasts him? How would he counteract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 What if goku justs blasts him? How would he counteract? Dodge the blast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Djgambrell Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Dodge the blast.They've shown Omni-directional blasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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