Star Wars vs Dbz

[Guest ricrery]

Darth : you dont understand the power of the dark side

 

 

NO BUU KILL YOU ALL LIKE BUGS!

[Guest Joem1k]

Darth vader electrifes kid buu

[Skirmisher]

Why not moving this to the RP Boards? Create a match and Role Play the Characters there.

[Guest Ruinus]

The Death Star? Any one of the members of the DBZ team would be capable of deflecting anything the Death Star could throw at them. They've been shown deflecting planetary destroying attacks countless times.

 

What? When? (I haven't seen Dragon Ball Z in a long time mind you).

When Freeza shot out that wierd attack from his finger that sliced up the planet, everyone got out of the way. When he shot that bomb that made the planet go "critical and explode" (LOL WTF physics?) everyone also got out of the way, no one tried stopping it.

 

When Goku charged up his Kamehameha (LOL dead Hawaiian kings) Cell was worried it would blow up the planet Earth.

 

The only times I remember planet destroying attacks being thrown around it was Freeza (and that was some wierd chain reaction thing) and Piccolo (sp?) blowing up the moon (which also didn't make sense, since such an event would *vulgarity* up Earth).

 

They also don't move at lightspeed, since if they did, they would *vulgarity* up the atmosphere simply by moving.

 

Hell, they don't even toss out megaton range attacks most of the time, otherwise they would also *vulgarity* up the atmosphere.

 

(Again, this is from memory, from ~8 years ago)

 

EDIT: Hell, that distructo disc thing doesn't blow up planets, yet people get the *vulgarity* out of its way all the damn time. (My guess is that either A ) The Z characters aren't as strong/fast as people think they are (since they just take the high end stuff and assume thats normal outputs) or B ) The DBZ universe ran out of physics and chugs along on the power of screaming and awesome.)

[Guest MarvelFan15]

Let me state my opinion...

 

DBZers can, give or take, withstand a planet busting attack. For every planet they can bust, they can withstand...I guess a tenth that amount. Their durability just doesn't match up too well.

 

Except at certain, random, times in the series where they take much more punishment than they can deal. So I guess you could argue both ways...

[Guest ricrery]

What? When? (I haven't seen Dragon Ball Z in a long time mind you).

When Freeza shot out that wierd attack from his finger that sliced up the planet, everyone got out of the way. When he shot that bomb that made the planet go "critical and explode" (LOL WTF physics?) everyone also got out of the way, no one tried stopping it.

 

When Goku charged up his Kamehameha (LOL dead Hawaiian kings) Cell was worried it would blow up the planet Earth.

 

The only times I remember planet destroying attacks being thrown around it was Freeza (and that was some wierd chain reaction thing) and Piccolo (sp?) blowing up the moon (which also didn't make sense, since such an event would *vulgarity* up Earth).

 

They also don't move at lightspeed, since if they did, they would *vulgarity* up the atmosphere simply by moving.

 

Hell, they don't even toss out megaton range attacks most of the time, otherwise they would also *vulgarity* up the atmosphere.

 

(Again, this is from memory, from ~8 years ago)

 

EDIT: Hell, that distructo disc thing doesn't blow up planets, yet people get the *vulgarity* out of its way all the damn time. (My guess is that either A ) The Z characters aren't as strong/fast as people think they are (since they just take the high end stuff and assume thats normal outputs) or B ) The DBZ universe ran out of physics and chugs along on the power of screaming and awesome.)

 

 

Kid Buu destroyed galaxies. Besides, a power level of 600 is powerful enough to blow up the planet from the core.

[Guest Ruinus]

Kid Buu destroyed galaxies. Besides, a power level of 600 is powerful enough to blow up the planet from the core.

 

Kid Buu

" Regenerating after the explosion, Kid Buu goes off in search of Goku and Vegeta, teleporting to many planets as he goes and destroying them upon sensing the Saiyans' absence."

 

Nowhere in the article is there mention of galaxy destruction.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

Kid Buu

" Regenerating after the explosion, Kid Buu goes off in search of Goku and Vegeta, teleporting to many planets as he goes and destroying them upon sensing the Saiyans' absence."

 

Nowhere in the article is there mention of galaxy destruction.

 

 

He's referring to when Buu was first created. Supposedly, he destroyed many galaxies in search of the Lords of Lords.

[Skirmisher]

Frieza is most defiantly a planet buster, as in his first and weakest form he blew up planet Vegeta, in one go without any sort of timer on his blast. He then sat around and watched the fireworks as the debris flew past him and his ship. The only reason that Namek took so long to blow up is CIS, or even PIS.

 

There have been many other stated planet buster attacks in the series, and the reason that most people get out of the way is because why would you want to possibly get hurt?

 

One instance of not getting out of the way is Future Trunks vs Mecha Frieza. Frieza lobbed a massive Planet Kill energy bomb and Trunks caught it (6:00min in).

 

As well as Broly's annihilation of an entire Galaxy... There's also the very small Planet Killing shot that Broly throws here at 4:00min. Then there's the point where Broly tanks a full powered Kamehameha to the face and only smirks at 4:20min Note also that Broly's small Planet Killing blasts are used against the Z-Fighters.

 

Then there's always the various Planet Busting attacks that Kid Buu used, like his first Ki Blast was PK and Vegeta deflected it with a similar level of blast at 2:30min... note the size of the actual Ki blast... Then afterwords the x10 Planet Killing Ki Bomb at 3:35min. As well as proof that Kid Buu is also a Galaxy Buster like Broly.

 

 

But these are just the bad guys... The good guys are Equal and better than them, and the only reason they don't have Planet Busting feats is because... well they're the good guys, they don't go around blowing up planets... There is also the Fact that Ki blasts are highly focused on their targets to prevent destruction of the battlefield. If they weren't then in these later fights any planet they are fighting on would have been decimated withing the first few seconds of each battle.

 

As for Light speed within orbit... It's a cartoon, some laws of physics are suspended to make it a more action packed series.

[granobulax]

Skirmisher, you just did a lot of work for me. I was going to make a very similar post.

[Guest Ruinus]

That galaxy dissolves.

Seriously Skirmisher, you and I both know that those galaxies simply disappeared. The stars, for some reason, simply start disappearing all over the place. If they went nova, there would be gigantic flashes of light that would briefly (andd by that I mean lasting for several months) outshine the entire galaxy. Yet we see no such thing, the stars simply disappeared. Seriously, stars exploding are so bright that they are visible when they are 11 million light years away.

 

Its even funnier because the narrator says "The South Galaxy has been shattered."

Shattered? Galaxies cannot shatter.

South Galaxy? There aren't any directions in space, and using North, South, East and West in space is retarded.

 

Then purple dude with mohawk says "Hundreds of planets were reduced to rubble, entire galaxies were erased from existence."

Heh, galaxies themselves have probably have billions of planets, alot of them like Earth.

I point this out because mohawk guy makes a retarded statement. If entire galaxies were taken out, then his statement of "hundreds of planets" being destroyed is alread implied.

 

They also make references at attempts at destroying all life in the Universe.

 

I take all of this to mean a few things:

A ) These guys are idiots. None of them ever took an astronomy class (or did a quick check on the Internet) to see how many planets there are. So when mohawk dude says Buu destroyed hundreds of planets, and a few galaxies, that's probably because he thinks hundreds of planets ARE a few galaxies.

B ) These guys are STUPENDOUS morons. How the hell does anyone think he can go around and destroy everysingle thing in the freaking Universe? When Trunk said "Oh no Broly is going to destroy Universe!" I can't believe people take that off the cuff remark as true. People actually believe that Broly is going to move faster than he has ever moved before, use energy levels that would have saved his ass in the fight and destroy all the hundreds of billions of galaxies in the Universe, even the ones that are millions of light years across How is he going to destroy black holes?

C ) The images of galaxies simply disappearing are just that, the imaginations of the Z fighters attempting to comprehend the incorrect words of mohawk dude, and of course, since they don't even know the scale of a galaxy, their imaginations are shit.

 

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D ) " It's a cartoon, some laws of physics are suspended to make it a more action packed series"

In Dragon Ball universe nothing makes sense. In real life, blowing up moons, planets and stars have nasty side effects on anything in the surrounding few light years. In DB, it doesn't. So when the Z fighters show up in any other universe that follows physical laws that resemble real life's, they are going to find themselves unable to do anything.

 

(Goddamn, I forgot their names. Also, I think I've taken a liking to the word "seriously")

[Guest Ruinus]

EDIT: It's even worse than I thought, the Universe is apparently divided up into Northern, Souther, Western and Eastern sections.

 

This is hilarious. I wonder if these Kais know that there is no center of the Universe (and hence, their North, South, East, West directions don't make sense), or that travel into the Western quadrant makes you end up in the Eastern. Or that the Universe laughs at the concept of quadrants.

 

Dragon Ball is/was a cool cartoon, but you might as well attempt to calc Bugs Bunny.

[granobulax]

Ruinus, Two things.

 

1. You really need to stop using physics in comics and anime. The laws of physics in our universe simply do not apply in the universe of the imagination.

 

2. The DBZ universe is based on a completely different universe than is ours. For all we know, their universe may actually consist of north, south, east, and western galaxies.

[Guest Ruinus]

1. You really need to stop using physics in comics and anime. The laws of physics in our universe simply do not apply in the universe of the imagination.

 

Says the guy whose first post was " Kid Buu and Broly are both galaxy busters in thier own right." And whose second post was " They've been shown deflecting planetary destroying attacks countless times."

 

You made a claim, I challeged it.

 

BTW, if people don't find a common ground to base their arguments off of, then there essentially IS no argument.

 

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2. The DBZ universe is based on a completely different universe than is ours. For all we know, their universe may actually consist of north, south, east, and western galaxies.

 

Hey sure, that works for me.

So basically DBZ characters are superpowered because their Universe is really messed up.

So when they cross over to other universes, they lose their powers.

[granobulax]

Says the guy whose first post was " Kid Buu and Broly are both galaxy busters in thier own right." And whose second post was " They've been shown deflecting planetary destroying attacks countless times."

Yes, I did say that. It would also be completely impossible by our laws of physics for that to happen.

 

 

 

Hey sure, that works for me.

So basically DBZ characters are superpowered because their Universe is really messed up.

So when they cross over to other universes, they lose their powers.

Who knows what would happen? Every time they stepped into the hyperbolic time chamber, they did step into a different dimention and could still use their powers.

[Guest ricrery]

Yes, I did say that. It would also be completely impossible by our laws of physics for that to happen.

 

 

 

 

Who knows what would happen? Every time they stepped into the hyperbolic time chamber, they did step into a different dimention and could still use their powers.

 

 

So, a power level of 600 is enough to destroy a planet, but 120,000,000,000 isn't enough to destroy a galaxy? Sorry but Star Wars has nothing in its arsenal to counter DBZ feats and power. So, Buu destroying dimensional barriers isn't proof?

[granobulax]

So, a power level of 600 is enough to destroy a planet, but 120,000,000,000 isn't enough to destroy a galaxy? Sorry but Star Wars has nothing in its arsenal to counter DBZ feats and power. So, Buu destroying dimensional barriers isn't proof?

If you read my previous posts, you'll see that I'm saying that Buu can destroy galaxies and that the laws of physics shouldn't apply when debating comics or anime.

[Guest LegendX]

So, a power level of 600 is enough to destroy a planet, but 120,000,000,000 isn't enough to destroy a galaxy? Sorry but Star Wars has nothing in its arsenal to counter DBZ feats and power. So, Buu destroying dimensional barriers isn't proof?

Let's do the math.

 

120,000,000,000 divided by 600 leaves you with 200,000,000.

 

So 120,000,000,000 should be sufficient to level 200,000,000 PLANETS. That's about half, or so, the estimated number of stars in our galaxy. So theoretically, no, 120,000,000,000 shouldn't destroy a galaxy. Although it should leave a really big gap.

And Grano is right... Actual physics should be largely ignored here, especially in relation to DBZ. Really, those guys just pull numbers out of a hat.

[Guest Ruinus]

So basically "Even though it doesn't look anything like "galaxy busting" lets still call it that?"

[Skirmisher]

So basically "Even though it doesn't look anything like "galaxy busting" lets still call it that?"

It may be a different form of Galaxy Busting... their power may have just canceled out the stars energy, or they may have just created a shock wave that scattered the stars without a supernova, kinda like blowing the seeds off a dandelion rather than putting a cherry bomb in it.

 

Besides there is one thing that we can all agree on... When Akira Toriyama put pen to paper he knew nothing of astrophysics, and as such wouldn't know the things that we know. Also at the time of the creation of Dragon Ball, there was no Wikipedia to check these facts, the Internet was in the dark ages back then.

[Guest Ruinus]

It may be a different form of Galaxy Busting... their power may have just canceled out the stars energy, or they may have just created a shock wave that scattered the stars without a supernova, kinda like blowing the seeds off a dandelion rather than putting a cherry bomb in it.

 

I was going to say something about both of those scenarios being impossible with the visuals involved and physics (how would you "cancel" out the energy of a star? You can't make stars, "disappear") and the shockwave idea fails because: any explosion large enough to generate a galactic scale shockwave would also be visible from outside the galaxy, and the stars don't disappear in that uniform manner. Some of the farther out ones disappear before the ones nearer to the inner core.

 

I was going to say that. But that would make granobulax mad, and would mess up DBZ alot. So I can't. <_>

 

Besides there is one thing that we can all agree on... When Akira Toriyama put pen to paper he knew nothing of astrophysics, and as such wouldn't know the things that we know. Also at the time of the creation of Dragon Ball, there was no Wikipedia to check these facts, the Internet was in the dark ages back then.

 

Of course. But this also means that DBZ can only do what they do inside of their own universe. Once they go outside, into other universes however....

[granobulax]

Ha! Do you think I was getting mad? I wasn't mad, just pointing out that physics can't apply for comics and anime is all.

 

Just look at some Hulk feats. Using physics, could a being of Hulks size really blow up an asteroid 2x the size of earth by punching it or do major damage to the eastern seaboard from a step? (I think those are his feats anyway)

 

How's about the physics of Superman flying at light speed in earths atmosphere?

 

Or the physics about BlackBolt's voice?

 

Or how's about my favorite, any character that goes inside the event horizon of a black hole and makes it out live.

 

 

 

I'm not mad at all, I was just pointing out that debating against a comic or anime based on physics would eliminate the whole genre. There would be nothing to debate.

[Skirmisher]

an asteroid 2x the size of earth

Shouldn't that have been classified as a Rogue Planet rather than an Asteroid?