Ultimate Captain America vs Deathstroke

[AVP vs The Terminator]

Bleh.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

Black Panther could beat the shit out of Deathstroke, he put Silver surfer, a being with infinite strength, in a chokehold, incapacitating him. Cap has beaten Panther in a fight before, so Cap > BP > DS. Makes perfect sense.

 

Several things wrong with this:

 

1) This is Ultimate Captain America. That was 616 Panther and Surfer. Ultimate Cap. has not had the chance to beat down on 616 Panther that I'm aware of.

 

2) That feat is probably the premier example of PIS from the previous decade, and definitely one of the most horrid examples of PIS in comics, ever. In fact, from what I've heard, it was so horrible the writer later apologized for writing it. It doesn't get much worse than that. It's like Surfer was somehow brainwashed into thinking he was a hapless human being instead of someone who could create a singularity inside T'Challa's cranium with a thought.

 

3) ABC logic only works when considering characters with exactly the same power sets and skill sets. It's possible to use ABC logic when assessing a match up of a DBZ fighter vs. another DBZ fighter, but not much else.

 

4) PIS. I cannot stress that enough.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

-snip-

You have been trolled.

[Guest bigballerju]

Both Captain America 616 and Ultimate Cap have beaten the Black Panthers in there Universe. Ultimate Captain America is better then 616 Cap physically and in some of his feats so yeah Ultimate Cap would beat 616 Black Panther.

 

Oh and yes Black Panther would beat Slade.

[Guest Darxeth]

Both Captain America 616 and Ultimate Cap have beaten the Black Panthers in there Universe. Ultimate Captain America is better then 616 Cap physically and in some of his feats so yeah Ultimate Cap would beat 616 Black Panther.

 

Oh and yes Black Panther would beat Slade.

 

Nope.

Both would lose to Slade.

 

Edit: If 616 cap can beat BP, Slade can.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

You have been trolled.

 

Perhaps.

 

Possibly by you.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

Perhaps.

 

Possibly by you.

Nay. Force Echo was sarcastically making fun of A>B>C logic at the same time he was baiting someone to take him seriously.

 

In other words, trolled.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or I am over thinking it and he was dead serious

[Guest MarvelFan15]

You may be right.

[Guest force_echo]

Yeah, I was mainly making fun of A>B>C logic and the use of blatant PIS in arguments.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

I'll have my revenge.

[Guest sirmethos]

Just noticed this one and just have to put in a comment.

 

A fight between Deathstroke and Cap is extremely even.

 

They have roughly the same strength(both are stated as "having the strength of 10 men.", which puts their strength somewhere between 1800 and 11.000 lbs, roughly 800 Kilograms to 5 tons).

 

Both have roughly the same Transport speed(moving from point A to point B.), with Cap having an edge.

 

Both have roughly the same Stamina, Durability, Regeneration and Agility.

 

Cap has the advantage in combat skills(and arguably experience).

 

While Deathstroke has the advantage in Movement speed/Reflexes, and to a lesser degree, the advantage in Mental capabilities. Deathstroke also has the advantage in equipment, though that advantage is somewhat lesser in this match since he doesn't have his Energy Lance or other random equipment he usually carries, like high-powered flash bangs(he carries one powerful enough to incapacitate Superman), explosives, etc.

 

 

Deathstroke's biggest advantage in this fight, is his strategical/tactical skills. While Cap is good(probably the closest to an even match that Deathstroke can find), he is eventually gonna be out-maneuvered and out-thought by the assassin/mercenary.

 

 

 

As for the comment on Deathstroke being Immortal. Yes, he has died and revived 'on-screen', on more than one occasion. And no, he did not lose his eye when Oliver Queen put an arrow in it, he lost his eye when he was shot in the head by his wife(guess his Healing Factor was busy dealing with the more important stuff, like his brain).

[Guest Djgambrell]

Just noticed this one and just have to put in a comment.

 

A fight between Deathstroke and Cap is extremely even.

 

They have roughly the same strength(both are stated as "having the strength of 10 men.", which puts their strength somewhere between 1800 and 11.000 lbs, roughly 800 Kilograms to 5 tons).

 

Both have roughly the same Transport speed(moving from point A to point B.), with Cap having an edge.

 

Both have roughly the same Stamina, Durability, Regeneration and Agility.

 

Cap has the advantage in combat skills(and arguably experience).

 

While Deathstroke has the advantage in Movement speed/Reflexes, and to a lesser degree, the advantage in Mental capabilities. Deathstroke also has the advantage in equipment, though that advantage is somewhat lesser in this match since he doesn't have his Energy Lance or other random equipment he usually carries, like high-powered flash bangs(he carries one powerful enough to incapacitate Superman), explosives, etc.

 

 

Deathstroke's biggest advantage in this fight, is his strategical/tactical skills. While Cap is good(probably the closest to an even match that Deathstroke can find), he is eventually gonna be out-maneuvered and out-thought by the assassin/mercenary.

 

 

 

As for the comment on Deathstroke being Immortal. Yes, he has died and revived 'on-screen', on more than one occasion. And no, he did not lose his eye when Oliver Queen put an arrow in it, he lost his eye when he was shot in the head by his wife(guess his Healing Factor was busy dealing with the more important stuff, like his brain).

Would 616 been a better matchup?

[Guest sirmethos]

Would 616 been a better matchup?

 

No.

 

The 616 version of Cap would have the extra disadvantage of his non-killing, boyscout mentality. The fact that Ultimate Cap is actually a Soldier, willing to do what it takes to win, is a good part of what makes him an extremely even match for Deathstroke.

 

Granted, the 616 version of Cap arguably has more experience than his Ultimate counter-part, but I don't think the slight advantage in experience is enough to offset the disadvantage of the mindset.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

Assuming 616 Cap has his no-killing mentality placed to the side, what then? 616 Captain America is given gratuitous moments of "screw what my stats say" heroics by the writers.

 

Or, at least he was. I haven't seen what he's capable of recently. I know his shield's gotten even more indestructible, though.