X-Men VS Avengers

[Guest sirmethos]

Rogue in the past could drain even Thor with one touch and put him down easily. However in recent years I am not sure if her power is on par with how it was in the 1990s. Colossus with Juggernaut's power and Magneto would be too much for regular Thor. Juggernaut when Cain was in control was very hard for the Avengers to beat all together as it was when they faced off in the past.

 

And what, exactly, does "in the past", have to do with a fight that uses current versions of the characters, when the powers of the characters are different?

 

As I already said, When Rogue(fairly recently) tried to drain Ares, she passed out due to an overload of power, and Thor is considerably more powerful than Ares.

 

 

If you take a look at Fear Itself, you'll see that Colossus would be little more than an annoyance to Thor, even with the enhancement of the Juggernaut powers.

 

Likewise, with the Uru/Bleeding Edge Armor, the X-men, with the exception of Magneto, are little more than annoyances to Iron Man.

[Guest bigballerju]

Ultimate Magneto was able to take control of Thor's hammer and always beat the hell out of Thor in that Universe easily. Hell he even trapped Thor with his own hammer at the center of the Earth.

 

I don't know if the 616 Magneto is able to do the same.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

He can't. Not that I know of, anyway. Thor's telekinetic control over Mjolnir is strong enough to tear itself away from Zeus's grip.

 

Also, Iron Man no longer possesses his uru armor. The magical properties granted to him by the uru were lost after Odin left, so he discarded all the remaining uru in his suit.

 

That being said, I believe Tony has, for some time now, had anti-Magneto fail-safes at work in his suit should he ever run into Magnus. He probably has something on file allowing him to take the win. Thor can likewise put the hurt on Mags with some properly applied Asgardian magic.

 

Of course, the scope of the battle will be reduced to plain ol' fisticuffs, like it usually is.

[Guest sirmethos]

He can't. Not that I know of, anyway. Thor's telekinetic control over Mjolnir is strong enough to tear itself away from Zeus's grip.

 

Also, Iron Man no longer possesses his uru armor. The magical properties granted to him by the uru were lost after Odin left, so he discarded all the remaining uru in his suit.

 

That being said, I believe Tony has, for some time now, had anti-Magneto fail-safes at work in his suit should he ever run into Magnus. He probably has something on file allowing him to take the win. Thor can likewise put the hurt on Mags with some properly applied Asgardian magic.

 

Of course, the scope of the battle will be reduced to plain ol' fisticuffs, like it usually is.

 

Iron Man has so-called "anti-Magneto" work on his armor, yes. That only prevents Magneto from controlling the armor on a large scale though, since it consist of having de-magnetized the armor(someone provided a scan of that a while back), Magneto can still control the molecules of the armor, the blood in Stark's body, etc. etc. etc. Suffice to say, Magneto has plenty of ways to take out Iron Man. Providing he doesn't get taken out first of course, but I already pointed that out.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

Yes, but Tony's technology has allowed him to stun Mags by forcing to take a dose of his own medicine, having the armor reverse the magnetics in the area with the results backlashing on Magneto. Or something to that effect. Given that this was years ago, it's not inconceivable that Tony has implemented safety designs far more prodigious than what he had originally, and he could possibly render Magneto's control over the armor totally nil. The suit is now merely a collection of nanites, no doubt some of them remaining inside his body when the suit is activated, meaning his defenses extend over the inners of his body as well.

 

This is mostly conjecture, though, but it makes sense to me that whatever resistance the suit had in their original encounter would be improved upon after all these years.

[Guest bigballerju]

Yeah I figured 616 Thor is more powerful with his control over the hammer and Magneto would never be able to use it against him.

[Guest sirmethos]

Yeah I figured 616 Thor is more powerful with his control over the hammer and Magneto would never be able to use it against him.

 

Actually, Magneto has controlled his hammer. That was quite some time ago though, and Thor has had quite a few power-ups since then(especially since Disney took over).

 

 

Yes, but Tony's technology has allowed him to stun Mags by forcing to take a dose of his own medicine, having the armor reverse the magnetics in the area with the results backlashing on Magneto. Or something to that effect. Given that this was years ago, it's not inconceivable that Tony has implemented safety designs far more prodigious than what he had originally, and he could possibly render Magneto's control over the armor totally nil. The suit is now merely a collection of nanites, no doubt some of them remaining inside his body when the suit is activated, meaning his defenses extend over the inners of his body as well.

 

This is mostly conjecture, though, but it makes sense to me that whatever resistance the suit had in their original encounter would be improved upon after all these years.

 

The de-magnetizing wasn't really that long ago. And no amount of nanites could prevent Magneto from controlling Stark's blood, or other metals in his body(or manipulating the molecules in his armor and body).

[Guest MarvelFan15]

Actually, Magneto has controlled his hammer. That was quite some time ago though, and Thor has had quite a few power-ups since then(especially since Disney took over).

 

Through use of comics mechanics. He stopped the hammer with his magnetic shield, but then Thor, IIRC, didn't call it back to him.

 

 

The de-magnetizing wasn't really that long ago. And no amount of nanites could prevent Magneto from controlling Stark's blood, or other metals in his body(or manipulating the molecules in his armor and body).

 

I think I've seen scans indicating it's been demagnetized since roughly the time of his Silver Centurion armor. I could be wrong.

 

I'll see what I can find.

[Guest sultan]

Well, Marvel said within this storyline would be a number of one-on-one fights, among them was a one-on-one fight between Iron Man and Magneto. Sooo I'm guessing Iron Man is completely resistant to magnetism if Marvel actually wants to make that fight a challenge.

[Guest Dr. Pymp(mex)]

*Facepalm*

 

A little research would do you a whole lot good.

 

http://marvel.wikia.com/Illyana_Rasputina_%28Earth-616%29

 

Magik is his sister.

 

And Cain was taken under control by The Serpent when he was deemed one of the Worthy, when he received one of 7 Hammers from The Serpent. He became under his control. It was here and then that Colossus and Magik figured they could use logic on Cyttorak by pointing out that Cain technically served another god and thus lost his powers.

 

So she never died? How did that happen?

[kainboa]

So she never died? How did that happen?

 

research

[AVP vs The Terminator]

So she never died? How did that happen?

Can you not just read the link...?

[Guest xman4life]

research

Colossus with juggs power up make him even stronger than juggs was. So he should be a threat. Seeing as how Magneto made him stronger a while ago. Even WW Hulk said that Colossus was very strong. So yeah Thor would have an issue on his hands. And also think about it. If Colossus has Juggs powers then that means he is UNSTOPPABLE while in motion. I think they were going to have

 

 

Thing vs Namor

Cyclops vs Cap

Squerriel girl vs Magik

Ironman vs Magneto

Ms. Marvel vs Rogue

 

They also showed Red Hulk, Hawkeye, Emma Frost, Beast, and Black Widow so I don't know who they will be fighting.

 

 

but i would love to see other fights like

 

 

 

AND Maybe Avengers academy vs Jean Grey School(awesome idea)

Hazmat

Finesse

Lightspeed

Mettle

Reptil

White Tiger

Striker

 

vs

 

Armor

Anole

Rockslide

Hellion

Oya

Trance

Match

[Guest force_echo]

It was a Silver Centurion armor, I was the one that posted said scan. It was during that same fight he used the magnetic feedback technique wasn't it? Plus, Iron Man's armor has defense against matter manipulation, such as the issue in where he fought Molecule Man. Granted, in a later issue, Molecule Man vaporized Stark's armor, but this was after his massive power boost brought on by the wand, he was pretty much a god by that point, and Magneto has never shown matter manipulation on that level anyway.

[Guest xman4life]

It was a Silver Centurion armor, I was the one that posted said scan. It was during that same fight he used the magnetic feedback technique wasn't it? Plus, Iron Man's armor has defense against matter manipulation, such as the issue in where he fought Molecule Man. Granted, in a later issue, Molecule Man vaporized Stark's armor, but this was after his massive power boost brought on by the wand, he was pretty much a god by that point, and Magneto has never shown matter manipulation on that level anyway.

Magnetos mastery of the magnetic field is so powerful he has multiple ways to beat someone.

1)Stop your brain waves(he has done it before recently)

2)Stop your blood

3)matter manipulation(to an extent)

4)Manipulate the electricity in the suit

5)Manipulate the metal of the suit OR the metal thats around him(traffic lights, cars)

[Guest force_echo]

The only one of these that might be possible is stopping blood flow. And thats a stretch, since the armor can keep his heart beating, that used to be the primary function. However, he could cause massive internal bleeding. Although I'm pretty sure his counter magnetic field would, by this point, cover his entire body. So I'm doubtful of even that.

[Indolent]

Uh... WWH never said Colossus was very strong. He said something along the lines of "Before all this, you would have been a decent challenge... but you're nothing but a pile of scrap now" as he broke Peter's arms. :/

[C.T.]

Uh... WWH never said Colossus was very strong. He said something along the lines of "Before all this, you would have been a decent challenge... but you're nothing but a pile of scrap now" as he broke Peter's arms. :/

 

Depends on whether you think a decent challenge to Savage Hulk qualifies as "very strong."

[Indolent]

Depends on whether you think a decent challenge to Savage Hulk qualifies as "very strong."

Colossus has a much better chance with a recently transformed Savage Hulk. That's a Hulk who's fighting style isn't as refined or tactical as World War Hulk's nor is he as strong.

 

An extremely better chance.

[Guest badpierce]

And what, exactly, does "in the past", have to do with a fight that uses current versions of the characters, when the powers of the characters are different?

 

As I already said, When Rogue(fairly recently) tried to drain Ares, she passed out due to an overload of power, and Thor is considerably more powerful than Ares.

 

 

If you take a look at Fear Itself, you'll see that Colossus would be little more than an annoyance to Thor, even with the enhancement of the Juggernaut powers.

 

Likewise, with the Uru/Bleeding Edge Armor, the X-men, with the exception of Magneto, are little more than annoyances to Iron Man.

She passed out but did manage to drain a good bit of his power and weaken him. Its not out of the question that she could do the same to Thor and weaken him to a lesser extent.

[Guest sirmethos]

She passed out but did manage to drain a good bit of his power and weaken him. Its not out of the question that she could do the same to Thor and weaken him to a lesser extent.

 

Even at half power, Current Thor could take out the entire X-men line-up(in this thread).

[Guest badpierce]

Even at half power, Current Thor could take out the entire X-men line-up(in this thread).

Can't disagree there. Is the hulk going to be in this? I saw green hulk in a promo pick.

[Guest Dr. Pymp(mex)]

Can you not just read the link...?

 

I don't have time while at work, and so no I can't. You could have just answered me instead, either way, magik is lame, should have stayed dead. She can teleport time? You can't rewind time just on earth w/o rewinding time in the whole universe, she is now more powerful than Flash lol

[kainboa]

magik is lame, should have stayed dead. She can teleport time? You can't rewind time just on earth w/o rewinding time in the whole universe, she is now more powerful than Flash lol

 

And again we come to the point where your vast stupidity is showing.

 

Just because you don't like a character, or don't understand their power, doesn't mean that they are stupid.

 

Secondly, Magik is Not more powerful than Flash, if you actually had any clue what each character were capable of, rather than going

 

"hmm, I don't really understand or like their powers, they are stupid!!!"

 

then you would know this.

[Guest xman4life]

I don't have time while at work, and so no I can't. You could have just answered me instead, either way, magik is lame, should have stayed dead. She can teleport time? You can't rewind time just on earth w/o rewinding time in the whole universe, she is now more powerful than Flash lol

Well I honestly think Magik is awesome. Since being back she has been a very intriguing character. All of the younger generation is afraid of her because he is a soul less girl who rules a dimension similar to Hell.lol I don't know about time travel but I do know traveling to different dimensions and planets are easy to her. plus her sword is pretty handy. She is actually a cool character and VERY powerful. She isn't like what you used to remember. Hell most of the X-Men aren't like they used to be

 

1)Cyclops been a real bad ass and a great leader for the mutant race for years now

2)Magneto kneeled and pledged allegiance to Cyclops because at this point his goal all these years of protecting the mutant race is MOST important now and if cyclops is the leader then their goals are now aligned.

3)Colossus has huge mood swings since becoming juggs

4)Emma Frost is always sarcastic and rude

5)Archangel is dead(maybe)he just won't be around for a while

6)Jubilee is a vampire who could easily kill most of the X-men.

7)X-man wants to be close to his family(i.e Cyclops and Hope), and is a very very weaker version of himself