Iron man VS Optimus Prime

[Guest force_echo]

Yes it is. If Stark holds the beam for about 1.23 seconds, it's capable of completely and fully annihilating the earth. If he holds it for about a second, at the very least it's gonna *vulgarity* the planet up beyond recognition, into bite sized chunks.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

In any case, it doesn't one-shot the Earth.

 

Care to provide calculations?

[Guest deojusto]

This would be cool, great idea.

 

Optimus can't fly right? I can see Tony just flying around and pestering him with blaster shots.

[Guest Pseudonym]

NO MATH. NO MATH HERE, THIS IS A MATH FREE ZONE.

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You guys remember how Tony Stark doesn't exist right?His ability to blow up a planet is determined entirely by his authors, whoever they may be. I mean, I can understand if you want to go by feats for some reason. Sure, you can think about it that way. He's done it before, he could probably do it again. If he's done it before.

 

But if we're getting even hard numbers or rough estimates and thinking about how many watts would be required to move the mass of the earth. You seem to be missing the point.

 

Now I'm not telling you you can't bring the conversation down that road. You can, that's totally fine. But do you want to?

[Guest force_echo]

In any case, it doesn't one-shot the Earth.

 

Care to provide calculations?

Yes, it does one-shot the Earth. The beam holds for a while, so in "one shot", it does destroy the Earth.

 

I didn't calculate anything, it was a bunch of physics dudes in a journal my physics teacher gave me. A group of physics students at the University of Massachusetts determined that the minimum power needed to completely destroy (as in, overcome the gravitational binding energies of) the Earth, they found that it would take around the power output of a G level star, or, basically the max amount of power Tony's Arc Reactor could sustain.

 

 

"Given that the power output of our Sun is about 3 x 10^26 Watts, it’s a reasonable assumption this reactor could power a superlaser."

 

Keep in mind that this is considering that the planet COMPLETELY annihilates, atom by freaking atom. A more conventional (and practical) usage of the term "destroy the planet" makes the effort go down several magnitudes. It'll take a sustained blast and power up (I never said he didn't need to, that's why he only uses the omnibeam usually with absorbing either the vacuum energy of the space around him, or absorption of an enemy's energy, or overriding to increase repulsor intensity (keep in mind that when he overrided to boost his strength, he was able to lift a 16,000 ton nuclear reactor)), but he can one shot the planet. A lot easier if he isn't completely dissociating the planet.

 

This is not counting the other arsenals he can be unleashing the same time , including a variable energy particle beam where EVERY SAP is on the order of multiple megajoules (He can fire this at the same time because, unlike the omnibeam, it doesn't depend on the arc reactor, but beta particle absorption).

 

Yes, he is a planet buster, quite easily in fact. Especially concerning that usually the term planet buster doesn't extend to completely annihilating a planet atom by atom.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

Now I'm not telling you you can't bring the conversation down that road. You can, that's totally fine. But do you want to?

 

Well, when you calculate at least 2 billion petawatts in terms of megatons, you get roughly twice what scientists believe killed the dinos. I was asking him how he came up with the amount of time needed to completely demolish the Earth with Iron Man's strongest blast.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

Yes, it does one-shot the Earth. The beam holds for a while, so in "one shot", it does destroy the Earth.

 

It doesn't completely atomize the Earth with a singular blast. Rather, it slags the planet down to cosmic dust and gas over a span of time.

 

That doesn't qualify for "one-shotting" a planet in my definition.

 

I didn't calculate anything, it was a bunch of physics dudes in a journal my physics teacher gave me. A group of physics students at the University of Massachusetts determined that the minimum power needed to completely destroy (as in, overcome the gravitational binding energies of) the Earth, they found that it would take around the power output of a G level star, or, basically the max amount of power Tony's Arc Reactor could sustain.

 

 

"Given that the power output of our Sun is about 3 x 10^26 Watts, it’s a reasonable assumption this reactor could power a superlaser."

 

The power output of a G type star over what time span?

[DSkillz]

Thank you very much, Justabox, for reviving an old topic whose matchup was ill-defined in the first place.[/sarcasm] We still never learned which Optimus Tony was supposed to be facing, or even which Tony was fighting here.

 

Still, a few nice alternate discussions came out of this.

[Guest Justabox]

Thank you very much, Justabox, for reviving an old topic whose matchup was ill-defined in the first place.[/sarcasm] We still never learned which Optimus Tony was supposed to be facing, or even which Tony was fighting here.

 

Still, a few nice alternate discussions came out of this.

I'm sorry, I was just curious about how Iron Man can now blow up planets.

 

Anyway, is there an actual scan someone can bring up of Tony stating he can blow up Earth, or at least stating how much power his suit generates? How do we know he can generate that much power?

[Guest MarxzVulpez]

Tank Missile!

[Guest skadoosh]

is there an actual scan someone can bring up of Tony stating he can blow up Earth, or at least stating how much power his suit generates? How do we know he can generate that much power?

 

I'm curious about this ^ myself, actually.

 

Also, could Prime use the Matrix of Leadership to win this? It is a pretty powerful tool...

[Guest force_echo]

It doesn't completely atomize the Earth with a singular blast. Rather, it slags the planet down to cosmic dust and gas over a span of time.

 

That doesn't qualify for "one-shotting" a planet in my definition.

 

 

 

The power output of a G type star over what time span?

Definition of one-shotting a planet: Destroying a planet in one shot. If "your definition" is different, then your definition is wrong. The shot is sustained, is all. It's still one shot.

 

Over a few seconds, 2.something. Not counting an "charge-up" time before the actual shot, which Iron Man bypasses by using the vacuum energy from his surroundings or by absorbing other sources.

 

@Justabox: Iron Man has never been in a situation where he has had to blow up a planet. But it is stated that his omnibeam can generate billions of petawatts of energy with no charge up time by draining the energy of vacuum space around him (or by using energy from an enemy). Mind you, this is without overriding his suit. And it is stated that he has a variable energy beam. Where every photon/sub atomic particle/sound wave is on the order of several megajoules. These power yields were stated in Invincible Iron Man #14. They're also on the Marvel Wiki (though incomplete in explanation).

[DSkillz]

Also, could Prime use the Matrix of Leadership to win this? It is a pretty powerful tool...

 

I guess it would depend on if it's the Autobots' "darkest hour".

[Guest MarvelFan15]

Definition of one-shotting a planet: Destroying a planet in one shot. If "your definition" is different, then your definition is wrong. The shot is sustained, is all. It's still one shot.

 

Less impressive than you're making it out to be. When people say "one-shot" thy tend to imagine something along the lines of a DBZ ki blast, like Buu's when he destroyed the Earth.

[Guest skadoosh]

I guess it would depend on if it's the Autobots' "darkest hour".

 

Heh, yeah, i spose so.

 

If he can use its power, then he may very well win.

[Guest force_echo]

Less impressive than you're making it out to be. When people say "one-shot" thy tend to imagine something along the lines of a DBZ ki blast, like Buu's when he destroyed the Earth.

As I said before, your false connotation is completely irrelevant, and doesn't detract from the accuracy of my claim. He can one-shot the planet.

 

Also, if you're talking about this, which is the only thing I could find when I typed in Buu destroys planet, then that wasn't instantaneous. Neither was

. And there's no proof either blasts completely atomized the planet.

[Guest skadoosh]

Although, if Iron Man can one shot Prime, then the Matrix wont be all that useful after all.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

As I said before, your false connotation is completely irrelevant, and doesn't detract from the accuracy of my claim. He can one-shot the planet.

My connotation is no more false than yours. "One-shotting the planet" does not, in any way, bring to mind a sustained particle beam.

 

Also, if you're talking about this, which is the only thing I could find when I typed in Buu destroys planet, then that wasn't instantaneous. Neither was

. And there's no proof either blasts completely atomized the planet.

 

Using the anime to try to refute things that happened in the manga isn't the way to go about it.

 

While we're at it, provide concrete proof that Iron Man's suit a) produces more power than the sun or other similar g-type star, and b ) that the term "billions of petawatts" refers to the multi-hundred billion petawatts it would take to slag the entire planet in one sustained shot, and not somewhere in the general range of only a few billion petawatts (in which case it wouldn't be much bigger than the Chicxulub crater).

[Guest force_echo]

My connotation is no more false than yours. "One-shotting the planet" does not, in any way, bring to mind a sustained particle beam.

 

 

 

Using the anime to try to refute things that happened in the manga isn't the way to go about it.

 

While we're at it, provide concrete proof that Iron Man's suit a) produces more power than the sun or other similar g-type star, and b ) that the term "billions of petawatts" refers to the multi-hundred billion petawatts it would take to slag the entire planet in one sustained shot, and not somewhere in the general range of only a few billion petawatts (in which case it wouldn't be much bigger than the Chicxulub crater).

Please, go back to the first grade and learn the difference between a connotation and a denotation. I said the beam destroys the planet in one shot, that's a denotation, it's a fact. Whether you interpret that to be sustained or not is your own shit and does not affect at all the reputability of my claim.

 

Alright, well comic books occur in panels, so unless directly stated, it's extremely hard to get a time-span on anything. So unless you have any concrete proof that the things you claim to be instantaneous are instantaneous, you're wrong.

 

The sun, or G-Type stars, provide work at 1*10^26 Watts. A hundred billion petawatts is 1*10^26 Watts. Stark directly stated that the beam was in the "high end" billions of petawatts region. That, by definition, means it's above 500 billion petawatts (keep in mind this figure was stated in Director of Shield issue 9, when he had his extremis armor, he could have easily increased the power output by Bleeding Edge). Also, you completely disregarded the antimatter weaponry Bleeding Edge has, or the fact that Bleeding Edge can generate multi-form energy beams where every single unit of energy (subatomic particle, photon, sound wave) literally carries megajoules of power. That's an unimaginable level of power that can be released simultaneously to the omnibeam because it draws upon a beta-particle absorption engine rather than the arc reactor.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

Please, go back to the first grade and learn the difference between a connotation and a denotation. I said the beam destroys the planet in one shot, that's a denotation, it's a fact. Whether you interpret that to be sustained or not is your own shit and does not affect at all the reputability of my claim.

I know the difference, and I'm sure most people interpret it to be that way.

 

Alright, well comic books occur in panels, so unless directly stated, it's extremely hard to get a time-span on anything. So unless you have any concrete proof that the things you claim to be instantaneous are instantaneous, you're wrong.

 

The time between each frame varies according to the scene. Fight scenes have less time between frames than transitional frames to a differing scene do. A transition from Vegeta training to Goku fishing with his family is very ambiguous. A transition from Goku punching Buu to Buu's counterattack is less so. The time between each frame in this case is much shorter.

 

But it doesn't matter really. A single ki ball, that destroyed the Earth in the time it took the Grand Kai to teleport from the planet Earth to his own planet and then look back at his crystal ball, where he found the Earth gone. Judging by the scene, It didn't take the ki ball much time at all to eradicate Earth.

 

 

The sun, or G-Type stars, provide work at 1*10^26 Watts. A hundred billion petawatts is 1*10^26 Watts. Stark directly stated that the beam was in the "high end" billions of petawatts region. That, by definition, means it's above 500 billion petawatts (keep in mind this figure was stated in Director of Shield issue 9, when he had his extremis armor, he could have easily increased the power output by Bleeding Edge).

 

Direct quotes and/or scans would be appreciated.

 

Also, you completely disregarded the antimatter weaponry Bleeding Edge has, or the fact that Bleeding Edge can generate multi-form energy beams where every single unit of energy (subatomic particle, photon, sound wave) literally carries megajoules of power. That's an unimaginable level of power that can be released simultaneously to the omnibeam because it draws upon a beta-particle absorption engine rather than the arc reactor.

 

And did you receive from the comic or outside sources.

[Guest force_echo]

I know the difference, and I'm sure most people interpret it to be that way.

 

 

 

The time between each frame varies according to the scene. Fight scenes have less time between frames than transitional frames to a differing scene do. A transition from Vegeta training to Goku fishing with his family is very ambiguous. A transition from Goku punching Buu to Buu's counterattack is less so. The time between each frame in this case is much shorter.

 

But it doesn't matter really. A single ki ball, that destroyed the Earth in the time it took the Grand Kai to teleport from the planet Earth to his own planet and then look back at his crystal ball, where he found the Earth gone. Judging by the scene, It didn't take the ki ball much time at all to eradicate Earth.

 

 

 

 

Direct quotes and/or scans would be appreciated.

 

 

 

And did you receive from the comic or outside sources.

Much time at all is relative. I don't consider 2.56... seconds to be "much time".

 

Direct quote (from where Dum Dum Dugan and Stark are talking about fighting The Hulk):

Dum Dum Dugan: "I thought War Machine's the firepower, and you're speed."

Stark (while pointing at his arc reactor on his chest): "Last time I checked, War Machine doesn't have an omnibeam that can fire into the high end of the 'billions of petawatts' bracket."

 

Well, it's on the marvel wiki for Iron Man, and it's also directly stated to Justine Hammer in Invincible Iron Man # 14.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

Much time at all is relative. I don't consider 2.56... seconds to be "much time".

 

Direct quote (from where Dum Dum Dugan and Stark are talking about fighting The Hulk):

Dum Dum Dugan: "I thought War Machine's the firepower, and you're speed."

Stark (while pointing at his arc reactor on his chest): "Last time I checked, War Machine doesn't have an omnibeam that can fire into the high end of the 'billions of petawatts' bracket."

 

Well, it's on the marvel wiki for Iron Man, and it's also directly stated to Justine Hammer in Invincible Iron Man # 14.

 

Fair enough.

 

I have neither the hard copies nor the pirated versions, and the wiki is ambiguous, so the clarification was needed.