Iron man VS Krillin

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

This is why I love Hayes. He's a DBZ Fanboy and he knows what is what. *brofists*

*returns brofist* Yeah, I am most definitely a fanboy, I have all the episodes on DVD, once my son is older guess what he is watching every day. Heh. The difference between Pymp and I, is that I don't get butt hurt about DBZ losing.

 

I love all the DBZ characters, their capabilities are burned within my brain. This is a match where Krillin is out of his league. Goku would have a extremely difficult time with this Iron Man.

 

Well, while Krillin is one of the weakest Z-Fighters, he is still obscenely powerful. Easily a planet buster, and a superb martial artist.

 

The problem with DBZ is that they are best suited to fighting people that rely on physical attacks. Superman, Apollo, etc.

 

They are vulnerable to mind attacks. Although in the world of comics, strong minded=resistance to telepathy. I could see Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, and Piccolo resisting telepathy to a certain extent. That is a stretch though. I will say that the DBZers have great potential for being powerful telepaths. They can already telepathically communicate, Goku read Krillin's mind just by guessing he could, and Frieza demonstrated some nice skills with telekinesis. In the world of DBZ though, it is all about punching and ki blasts. Not to say they can't change how they fight, but this how we see them fight the most.

 

They are just as vulnerable to magic as you or I would be. Their best hope would be too dodge the attack, or put up a shield. They'd be almost useless against Zatanna, unless they quickly killed her before she uttered a phrase, which in DBZ the good guys don't fight like that. The only exemption to that rule would be maybe Piccolo. I'd say Vegeta if it weren't for his pride.

 

That said I could see Krillin putting up a decent fight. Unfortunately for Krillin, he has no defense against those anti matter rounds. His best hope is to dodge them. They will tear right through his shields. I don't see Tony's repulsors doing too much to Krillin. I don't see either of these guys throwing around planet busting moves. Unless they were on some un-populated planet.

 

Krillin's speed and techniques will give Iron Man trouble, but this is Stark we are talking about. If he can work around Spidey's sense, then I know he can come up with a way to get past some thing like the After-Image technique.

 

After an admirable effort Krillin goes down.

 

Pymp, if you want to be taken seriously, quit letting your fanboyism blind you. Everyone here (whether they admit it or not) are a fanboy about something. It's just that they are all capable of being objective. If you aren't being objective in a "debate" then you can't be taken seriously. And no, this is not an attack on you Pymp, it is just a lesson to be learned. Take that as you will.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

Oh, how polite.

 

You have to go easy on some people.

[C.T.]

Right.

[Guest sirmethos]

ok... when was this ever said in the show?

 

It hasn't.

 

However, it hasn't been said in the show that they do not use Ki either.

 

The fact that Ki enhances all their physical aspects though, and that they get stronger as their Ki grows more powerful, is one of the core parts of DBZ in the first place. And the Mr. Satan/Videl comparison is just simple facts.

 

 

As always though, I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, so you're more than welcome to try changing my mind.

[Guest Pseudonym]

Any of you trying to separate feats with ki from feats without ki are kind of stupid.

[Guest Spytheman]

It hasn't.

 

However, it hasn't been said in the show that they do not use Ki either.

 

The fact that Ki enhances all their physical aspects though, and that they get stronger as their Ki grows more powerful, is one of the core parts of DBZ in the first place. And the Mr. Satan/Videl comparison is just simple facts.

 

 

As always though, I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, so you're more than welcome to try changing my mind.

Ok, I'll try my hand at this.

 

Your Hercule/Videl example was, with all due respect, wrong. You said that Videl has done less training then Hercule, but is more powerful then him because her ki is higher. First off, you have it backwards. Throughout DBZ, the most we see Hercule do is brag about how awesome he is and laugh a lot. NEVER have I seen him actually train. Can you show me an instance where Hercule does so much as a single pushup? Videl on the other hand, I can list several examples off the top of my head that show just how much more dedicated to her training she is then Hercule. I remember this one scene, where she's just wailing on a punching bag, while everyone else in the gym stares at her in awe. In the very next scene, you know what we see Hercule doing?

 

Sitting in his mansion watching TV. Doesn't neccessarily sound like he trained his arse off to me.

 

Another thing about that example that doesn't make sense, is that you specifically said that Videl trains less then Hercule, but still has a higher ki. But you also said that Goku's ki gets higher by training, instead of his actual strength. That's just contradicting yourself. How would Hercule have a lower ki then Videl if he trains more then her?

 

So yes, there are a couple holes with what you said. Feel free to dispute them though, if you wish.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

No, he's not contradicting himself. His stance is "More ki = More Strength." He's never deviated from it, and the theory seems to hold water.

 

Especially when you consider the fact that it's possible that Videl was just born with a ki level naturally higher than most humans. But that's not the best example. We could use the fact that it's been shown that without ki, Z Fighters are virtually powerless. My memory's rusty, as it's been awhile since I've read anything DBZ, however.

 

EDIT: From Videl's wiki page-

Videl grew up learning martial arts, hoping to be as great as her father, when in fact, unknown to herself, she was already better and stronger than him.

[Guest sirmethos]

Ok, I'll try my hand at this.

 

Your Hercule/Videl example was, with all due respect, wrong. You said that Videl has done less training then Hercule, but is more powerful then him because her ki is higher. First off, you have it backwards. Throughout DBZ, the most we see Hercule do is brag about how awesome he is and laugh a lot. NEVER have I seen him actually train. Can you show me an instance where Hercule does so much as a single pushup? Videl on the other hand, I can list several examples off the top of my head that show just how much more dedicated to her training she is then Hercule. I remember this one scene, where she's just wailing on a punching bag, while everyone else in the gym stares at her in awe. In the very next scene, you know what we see Hercule doing?

 

Sitting in his mansion watching TV. Doesn't neccessarily sound like he trained his arse off to me.

 

Another thing about that example that doesn't make sense, is that you specifically said that Videl trains less then Hercule, but still has a higher ki. But you also said that Goku's ki gets higher by training, instead of his actual strength. That's just contradicting yourself. How would Hercule have a lower ki then Videl if he trains more then her?

 

So yes, there are a couple holes with what you said. Feel free to dispute them though, if you wish.

 

No, my example with Hercule/Videl is not wrong.

 

The reason that we, during the course of DBZ, never see Mr. Satan do any training, is because he has already reached the point he wants to, he doesn't feel any need to train. He has already proven himself to be the best, by becoming the reigning World Martial Arts Champion(a fact he never shuts up about), and he lives high on that accomplishment, but just like any other normal human, he has had to train his arse off to reach that point in the first place.

 

Videl on the other hand, has higher Ki than Mr. Satan, and is noticeably more powerful than he is. Videl believes the hype about Mr. Satan being the strongest fighter on the planet, and trains in order to live up to that, but as a teenager(first time we see Videl, she is in high school), she has, despite training hard to live up to her fathers reputation, still not have time enough to have done even a fraction of the training that Mr. Satan has done in the first place.

 

And no, I'm not contradicting myself. Higher Ki = More strength.

 

The reason that Mr. Satan does not have a higher than normal Ki, despite his amount of training is because, unlike Saiyans, Namekians, etc. Humans are, for the most part(though there are a few exceptions of course) not naturally inclined towards Ki Manipulation, but require dedicated training in order to raise their Ki above average levels(like Krillin, who was a monk and learned about manipulating Ki, prior to his training with Master Roshi).

[Guest Shockwave]

We could use the fact that it's been shown that without ki, Z Fighters are virtually powerless. My memory's rusty, as it's been awhile since I've read anything DBZ, however.

 

 

Any being regardless of their strength and endurance is powerless without any form of their energy. Look at all the suits Iron Man has. None of them can operate without energy. In fact I raise you a question myself, when you were dead tired from working all day long, did you have any ability to defend yourself? NO you probably didn't due to the fact that your body's Calorie burning had used up all of them in the span of a day. It has nothing to do with how much your body can muster up or how strong you are, without basic Calories in your body you are not going to be able to preform at all.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

... Iron Man still crushes Krillin.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

Any being regardless of their strength and endurance is powerless without any form of their energy. Look at all the suits Iron Man has. None of them can operate without energy. In fact I raise you a question myself, when you were dead tired from working all day long, did you have any ability to defend yourself? NO you probably didn't due to the fact that your body's Calorie burning had used up all of them in the span of a day. It has nothing to do with how much your body can muster up or how strong you are, without basic Calories in your body you are not going to be able to preform at all.

 

That's not the point. If their strength was based on simple enhancement of the musculature of their bodies, they would still be able to casually bench press hundreds of tons even when exhausted. From what I know, near-complete removal of their chi drains them down to the level of mere humans, something that shouldn't happen if their bodies were conditioned to withstand conditions in excess of 100 Gs.

 

And ki =/= basic calories.

[Guest Djgambrell]

That's not the point. If their strength was based on simple enhancement of the musculature of their bodies, they would still be able to casually bench press hundreds of tons even when exhausted. From what I know, near-complete removal of their chi drains them down to the level of mere humans, something that shouldn't happen if their bodies were conditioned to withstand conditions in excess of 100 Gs.

 

And ki =/= basic calories.

I don'y know if you can say "mere human" Them holding back. Measured in Kilo's

[Guest MarvelFan15]

Ironically enough, they still had the full measure of their ki.

 

Like methos said: More ki = More strength.

[Indolent]

This is a great feat for the Z-Fighters, specifically Vegeta.

 

 

and Goku.

 

[Twogunkid]

The only edge Krillin has is speed. Krillin is trained to fight at higher speeds in the air. The downside is, its like a motorcycle trying to defeat a frieght train. Krillin can't hurt the bleeding edge because it is stupidly powerful.

Honestly Iron Man should never have planet busting or even building busting capability, he should be a city level super hero not this almost cosmic he is sitting at.

Krillin vs any pre-extremis armor Krillin

Krillin vs Extremis room for debate

Krillin vs Bleeding Edge Iron Man in a stomp

[AVP vs The Terminator]

Krillin doesn't even have the advantage in speed. Apparently, Tony can escape from black holes now, making him a good deal FTL. Overpowering for the loss!

 

Anyway, yeah, to sum up: Krillin stands less than a goldfish's chance in a piranha tank. He has absolutely no way of damaging the armor, while a single repulsor blast will reduce him to dust. The Bleeding Edge suit could probably match the likes of Goku and Vegeta - Krillin is basically a bug.

[Guest Djgambrell]

Krillin doesn't even have the advantage in speed. Apparently, Tony can escape from black holes now, making him a good deal FTL. Overpowering for the loss!

In travel speed. Doesn't matter though. Krillin still sucks.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

In travel speed. Doesn't matter though. Krillin still sucks.

What makes you think the armor can't move as fast as it travels?

[Twogunkid]

What makes you think the armor can't move as fast as it travels?

I think he's saying Iron Man can't react to effectively fight at that speed.

[Guest Pseudonym]

Jeebus, what's the deal with this Bleeding Edge nonsense? What are you guys even talking about and what can it do?

[AVP vs The Terminator]

@TwoGun But the suit augments his reflexes to match his speed.

 

@Pseudo It's Iron Man's newest armor, the successor to Extremis. It blows up planets, spams antimatter, escapes black holes and tanks nukes at 10% power.

[Guest Dr. Pymp(mex)]

Actually downloading iron man comics I will say Krillin will lose

 

Based on what the comics have shown

But I will add that ki means more power yes that's not the point, because it also means more speed etc

 

But their base level is strictly physical. Like ironfist would still have dare devil feats without his chi. In otherwords chi could be also translated as kinetic energy not just energy based like kamehamehas. If I punch you the force of my punch is still gonna hit you

 

And even though gt is lame he fought someone that absorbed energy(Goku) so it implied it was just a power punch

[Twogunkid]

@TwoGun But the suit augments his reflexes to match his speed.

 

@Pseudo It's Iron Man's newest armor, the successor to Extremis. It blows up planets, spams antimatter, escapes black holes and tanks nukes at 10% power.

So he can fight at ftl speeds now? It may augment his reflexes, but there is no way his brain could process data at that speed (even with its supercomputer abilities now)

[Guest Spytheman]

Ok Sirmethos, answer me this. If regular old punches and kicks are powered only by ki, then why couldn't Dr. Gero and Android 19 just absorb that power as well? In the fights, they were only capable of absorbing straight up blasts. If punches and kicks were powered by ki, they'd be able to absorb the power.

[Guest tomisntblue]

Ok Sirmethos, answer me this. If regular old punches and kicks are powered only by ki, then why couldn't Dr. Gero and Android 19 just absorb that power as well? In the fights, they were only capable of absorbing straight up blasts. If punches and kicks were powered by ki, they'd be able to absorb the power.

 

Because their energy absorbers were only on the palms of their hands, so if they got punched in the face they couldn't absorb it. But if they grabbed the person's arm, they could absorb their energy.