Guest shellsbut Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 You're supposed to be talking to friends about things you like. How did you get so angry? Because Im stated facts put out my MArvel editors and he thinks his opinion is superior to actuall Marvel heads. He also started the the attacking banter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Clearly you are to dumb to read as MArvel places her above light speed in in that catagory. Im sorry you lack the abilitiy to read/understand english. Anyone can beat anyone in comics that is the nature of comics but all out they lose. Seriusly read the post she moves light sped or afster. How slow can you be it is right there stated by MArvel Well, I did read your entire post, you don't seem to have read all of mine though. Yes, Dark Phoenix can move at faster than light speeds. But she isn't capable of reacting at those speeds. Her reflexes are those of a normal(though well-trained) human. The only thing that the link you provided proved, is that Dark Phoenix can move from point A to point B, faster than light. Which I've been saying pretty much all along. That said, I'm still waiting for proof of her having faster than light reflexes. Roughly 2.5 hours left(of the extended time). Also, you seem to have ignored the last part of my post: According to Shellsbut's own words in an earlier debate, the team is able to beat Dark Phoenix every time, since they have Sentry on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pseudonym Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shellsbut Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Well, I did read your entire post, you don't seem to have read all of mine though. Yes, Dark Phoenix can move at faster than light speeds. But she isn't capable of reacting at those speeds. Her reflexes are those of a normal(though well-trained) human. The only thing that the link you provided proved, is that Dark Phoenix can move from point A to point B, faster than light. Which I've been saying pretty much all along. That said, I'm still waiting for proof of her having faster than light reflexes. Roughly 2.5 hours left(of the extended time). Also, you seem to have ignored the last part of my post: Dont try to weasel out of it. You stated OUTRIGHT she can not move even close to the speed of light that was the argument. I proved she can the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Dont try to weasel out of it. You stated OUTRIGHT she can not move even close to the speed of light that was the argument. I proved she can the end No weaseling out, just repeating what I've been saying all along. Congratulations, you have managed to prove that she can move from point A to point B, at speeds considerably faster than light. I also said she could do that though. You still haven't proved that she is capable of reacting at faster than light speeds, which is what is needed for her to win every time. I say that she can move faster than light as well. She is capable of moving from point A to point B almost instantly(by creating Star Portals), but that still doesn't make her capable of reacting at those speeds. The Marvel editors has never said anything about her reflexes. Yes, Dark Phoenix can move at faster than light speeds. But she isn't capable of reacting at those speeds. Her reflexes are those of a normal(though well-trained) human. The only thing that the link you provided proved, is that Dark Phoenix can move from point A to point B, faster than light. Which I've been saying pretty much all along. And again, the only thing you've proved, is that she can move from point A to point B, faster than light, which is something I have already said(more than once) that she is capable of. You still haven't provided any proof of her being able to react at those speeds though, which is what I've been asking for all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Dont try to weasel out of it. You stated OUTRIGHT she can not move even close to the speed of light that was the argument. I proved she can the end And again, you are ignoring part of my post: According to Shellsbut's own words in an earlier debate, the team is able to beat Dark Phoenix every time, since they have Sentry on the team. How, exactly, is Dark Phoenix going to beat the team, when according to your own words, Sentry(who is one the team) is more powerful than she is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shellsbut Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 And again, you are ignoring part of my post: How, exactly, is Dark Phoenix going to beat the team, when according to your own words, Sentry(who is one the team) is more powerful than she is? thats because the argument was her speed, and no where do i ever say Sentry is more powerful then her. that is BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LoneWolf Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 If the OP wanted to test her powers, he should have stated that morals are in place and each side has 1 min prep time. EDIT: Looking at the team again, morals wouldn't actually matter that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 thats because the argument was her speed, and no where do i ever say Sentry is more powerful then her. that is BS Ok, that one was hyperbole on my part, my bad. What you have said is: Sentry was able to Beat/fight off Galactus. Now with that in mind, and a few facts: 1. Galactus is more powerful than Dark Phoenix(Dark Phoenix's power level is roughly the same as a starving Galactus. this is stated in the comics). 2. Galactus is far more skilled and experienced than Dark Phoenix. Bottom line: If Sentry can fight off Galactus, then he won't have any problems with Dark Phoenix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bladephyre Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Clearly you are to dumb to read as MArvel places her above light speed in in that catagory. Im sorry you lack the abilitiy to read/understand english. Anyone can beat anyone in comics that is the nature of comics but all out they lose. Seriusly read the post she moves light sped or afster. How slow can you be it is right there stated by MArvel. I proved she is lightspeed or faster you have only your opinion I have MArvel facts. OHHH wait i forgot you think you are above MArvel editors when it comes to know how. Yes, I know you were replying to Mythos, but... Actually if you bother to read what I have said, I have been saying from the beginning that she can TRAVEL at faster than light speed, the entire argument is that she does not REACT at those speeds. We have seen pointless proof over and over for the fact that she flies FTL, that nobody really needed. Where is any proof she has fast reflexes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 And the extended deadline is up. With no proof given to back up the claim that Dark Phoenix can react at faster than light speeds, despite having 54 hours to provide that evidence, I consider the argument conceded. That said, I'm off to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shellsbut Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 And the extended deadline is up. With no proof given to back up the claim that Dark Phoenix can react at faster than light speeds, despite having 54 hours to provide that evidence, I consider the argument conceded. That said, I'm off to bed. YEs and you lost. The argument is settled Marvel states she moves faster then light and you were wrong, now back to the CBUB I will even add you are a petty like boy who thinks he knows more about the MArvel U and its characters then actual writers editors and creators of these said characters. You lost they say she moves faster then light that was the argument yet you are still to immature to admit you were wrong Again Marvel comics execs who give the ok to everything that goes on and have legal rights and know how of said character clearly state by a card that you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 And the extended deadline is up. With no proof given to back up the claim that Dark Phoenix can react at faster than light speeds, despite having 54 hours to provide that evidence, I consider the argument conceded. That said, I'm off to bed. lol, I agree that someone should have provided some scans showing her do a feat in general. I haven't had time, or else I would show the whole series, not to claim that she has or hasn't done that. Now if I may end with one last comment. Not to attack, nor to judge or boast(since I have nothing to boast about) I want to point out that you have made a claim(s) that 1. Dark Phoenix could lose by simply being unable to react to these people's speed blitzes and 2. That by pointing out this one piece of information have implied that even if they could attack her and get away with a solid hit, she would lose. I think I have this correct thus far, so with that, I like to point out that how you make your points "correct" are by claiming things that 1. Does not matter in the scheme of things and 2. Ask for evidence that would prove nothing. Of course only in this specific thread, you actually speak truth and logic in all threads that I am aware of, with a few that I disagree lol Jean or rather Dark Phoenix as you say is the "Phoenix Force". Jean Grey being in a cocoon under the ocean has the same Phoenix Force within her powers. So that already shows that the Phoenix Force is not bound by individuals, meaning that she will not be de-powered by being in multiple places at once, as she is in all places (being an energy force rather than a physical entity. So if Dark Phoenix is purely the "Phoenix Force" that made a "copy" of jean Grey, it should be noted that the "body" replicated is not human. Sure it has similar aspects of a human, as it replicated the one being it has been in contact with on a mental and more intimate note, but for all intents and purposes, that Force is not going to be defeated by sheer force alone. The Phoenix Force with Jean's influence is what made everyone win (as in not destroy everyone) It was Jean that did what the Fat Kai did to Kid Buu in DBZ, it actually de-powered it a bit or controlled it a bit. The Dark Phoenix pissed off would react as fast as she wanted to. She could appear and reappear anywhere not just on Earth or even a solar system. She can sense things on a cosmic scale, what do they call it cosmic awareness? She can sense minds etc. Now you might counter saying that even though she can scan minds and etc. that the others have ftl reflexes and that they think even faster than light as well that she wouldn't be able to in "time" you might want to think about the fact that she could slow time itself and that she could already play out the battle before, maybe not sure, and I won't go that far as to say that, but in this scenario, Black Adam would not be able to hurt her. He has super strength? Sure, but she is a galactic force and could withstand sun's bursting. You might add that she has to have her "shields" up, but she is in a constant state of shields going back to her not being a human at all, but the Phoenix Force shaped into a human and the fact that shields or not, it does not take away the fact that since it hasn't displayed her being hit by someone and injured we shouldn't use that either. Sorry for the rant, but I hope you see where I come from in this sense. I might be wrong, but at least I have my reasons trying to be as logical and unbiased as I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shellsbut Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 lol, I agree that someone should have provided some scans showing her do a feat in general. I haven't had time, or else I would show the whole series, not to claim that she has or hasn't done that. Now if I may end with one last comment. Not to attack, nor to judge or boast(since I have nothing to boast about) I want to point out that you have made a claim(s) that 1. Dark Phoenix could lose by simply being unable to react to these people's speed blitzes and 2. That by pointing out this one piece of information have implied that even if they could attack her and get away with a solid hit, she would lose. I think I have this correct thus far, so with that, I like to point out that how you make your points "correct" are by claiming things that 1. Does not matter in the scheme of things and 2. Ask for evidence that would prove nothing. Of course only in this specific thread, you actually speak truth and logic in all threads that I am aware of, with a few that I disagree lol Jean or rather Dark Phoenix as you say is the "Phoenix Force". Jean Grey being in a cocoon under the ocean has the same Phoenix Force within her powers. So that already shows that the Phoenix Force is not bound by individuals, meaning that she will not be de-powered by being in multiple places at once, as she is in all places (being an energy force rather than a physical entity. So if Dark Phoenix is purely the "Phoenix Force" that made a "copy" of jean Grey, it should be noted that the "body" replicated is not human. Sure it has similar aspects of a human, as it replicated the one being it has been in contact with on a mental and more intimate note, but for all intents and purposes, that Force is not going to be defeated by sheer force alone. The Phoenix Force with Jean's influence is what made everyone win (as in not destroy everyone) It was Jean that did what the Fat Kai did to Kid Buu in DBZ, it actually de-powered it a bit or controlled it a bit. The Dark Phoenix pissed off would react as fast as she wanted to. She could appear and reappear anywhere not just on Earth or even a solar system. She can sense things on a cosmic scale, what do they call it cosmic awareness? She can sense minds etc. Now you might counter saying that even though she can scan minds and etc. that the others have ftl reflexes and that they think even faster than light as well that she wouldn't be able to in "time" you might want to think about the fact that she could slow time itself and that she could already play out the battle before, maybe not sure, and I won't go that far as to say that, but in this scenario, Black Adam would not be able to hurt her. He has super strength? Sure, but she is a galactic force and could withstand sun's bursting. You might add that she has to have her "shields" up, but she is in a constant state of shields going back to her not being a human at all, but the Phoenix Force shaped into a human and the fact that shields or not, it does not take away the fact that since it hasn't displayed her being hit by someone and injured we shouldn't use that either. Sorry for the rant, but I hope you see where I come from in this sense. I might be wrong, but at least I have my reasons trying to be as logical and unbiased as I can. Clear facts Marvel sates she moves faster then light. That was the entire argument that one point. He said she can not move anywhere near light speed I said she could and showed the info stating she can. That was the whole argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 What part of your brain are you missing? Traveling faster than light and having FTL reflexes are two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thanosisawesome Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 YEs and you lost. The argument is settled Marvel states she moves faster then light and you were wrong, now back to the CBUB I will even add you are a petty like boy who thinks he knows more about the MArvel U and its characters then actual writers editors and creators of these said characters. You lost they say she moves faster then light that was the argument yet you are still to immature to admit you were wrong Again Marvel comics execs who give the ok to everything that goes on and have legal rights and know how of said character clearly state by a card that you are wrong. Your stubborn foolishness boggles my mind. First off, you come off as an idiot when you randomly intersperse caps among your post. Second off, every single person here has said she moves faster than light. The question is, are her REFLEXES faster than light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Her reflexes are not faster then light you can either go actually read the comic or good look it up on Marvel's site where they have the bios on there characters. Enough with this already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Her reflexes are not faster then light you can either go actually read the comic or good look it up on Marvel's site where they have the bios on there characters. Enough with this already. I want to ask you, are you basing it on Sirmethos comments or your own knowledge? It never says she does or doesn't have Ftl reflexes in the books nor anywhere else. The only reason this was brought up is by Sirmethos nick picking the only thing that is unknown but highly implied. In other words that claim that you and him are holding on to, has no revelence to them beating up D. Phoenix. That's like saying a cheetah would speed blitz a lion and the lion would lose just because he technically can't react fast enough. Even though the lion wouldn't get hurt even if the attack landed. It's just you guys focus on a bump in a painting instead of the whole picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Lo and behold, there's still a straggler who doesn't seem to get it. Your cheetah/lion example is irrelevant, because Dark Phoenix is only durable enough to withstand their attacks while using her telekinetic shielding... and these guys are fast enough to take her down before she gets her shields up.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 The laughs keep on coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bladephyre Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 It is like I never leave work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Lo and behold, there's still a straggler who doesn't seem to get it. Your cheetah/lion example is irrelevant, because Dark Phoenix is only durable enough to withstand their attacks while using her telekinetic shielding... and these guys are fast enough to take her down before she gets her shields up.. Hahahaa i heard you, but what you are saying is irrelevant. In the comics she tags Gladiator who is beyond human reflexes and speed and it was done as if it was natural, so that blows Sirmethos's only human capabilities. Her powers are her reflexes and strength etc. No they will not hurt her physically nor via energy. Then you have the fact that you guys pick a feat that is irrelevant and make a big deal about it. Only Sirmethos came up with reasons as to why whereas everyone else just repeated it like a parrot. If you guys win this it's because you guys told yourself that and didn't even bother to listen to anything else. Name one person that can beat the Phoenix Force? None and yet you are still barking the same bullshit about it being a human when Sirmethos himself said it wasn't Jean Grey!!!! Make up your minds, if it's not Jean Grey, then how is it human? And therefore bound to human limits? Read the original question can this team beat Dark Phoenix? so unless these guys can bear up people like Galactus they can't touch her. Jean's personality was the reason everyone lived. Geez guys stop being so narrowminded You are all fixated on a fact that is not even going to effect the outcome of the battle, note the question is not about whether or not Jean won't het hit a couple of times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 what you are saying is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 -snip- -sigh- Ok, since the issue of reflex speed was conceded, I'll simply address the other glaring error in your post. "Name one person that can beat the Phoenix Force?" You are still confusing the Phoenix Force with the Dark Phoenix. This entire thread is about Dark Phoenix, not the Phoenix Force. The two are not exactly the same. The Phoenix Force is a nigh-omnipotent cosmic entity, probably one of the most powerful beings in the entire Marvel universe. However, the Dark Phoenix is considerably less powerful. It was stated in the comics, that Dark Phoenix has the same power level/energy level, as a starving Galactus. While that is still incredibly powerful, it is nothing compared to the full power of the Phoenix Force. And why is it that Dark Phoenix is that much less powerful? Because she is, as I(and others) have already said several times, limited by her physical form(an identical copy of Jean Grey's body). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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