Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Batman has been confirmed to have MASTERED 127 Martial Arts. Like it or not.Beat me to it. Love when people whine that "how would he master all that". IT IS A COMIC. How does the moon being blown up in DBZ not have any affects on the Earth? IT IS ANIME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest square pickle Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 hahaha, you are a funny man, get out of here bro. If you are in MMA, you are a noob for getting your panties in a bunch over the net... shame on your gym that lets any Yokel train. All we need is a meathead that thinks hes tough.Like I said Karate Kid, next time your in Peoria, you let me know "bro-ha". Ive always wanted to smack around a homo from the OC. Ill show up. Lets see if you do. Now in an attempt to keep the admins off our back, at this point Im saying "Show up or shut up". Odds are youll do neither, but then again, talking probibly all you got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Everyone goes on and on about Batman knowing 127 martial arts, I actually see that as a disadvatage, There's no way you can learn so many and actually have time to master one. Goku however is a master of his style and was a proficent martial artist before he could even manipulate his ki to any significant or did you not watch the early sagas of dragonball? His skill isn't all reliant on i manipulation. You've got one thing wrong though, Batman doesn't just know 127 martial arts, he has mastered 127 martial arts. And again, people keep saying that Goku is "a master of his style", yet there are no examples of that. What there is examples of, is Goku being more powerful, and using that to defeat his opponents. On the other hand, there are plenty of examples of Batman's skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Everyone goes on and on about Batman knowing 127 martial arts, I actually see that as a disadvatage, There's no way you can learn so many and actually have time to master one. Goku however is a master of his style and was a proficent martial artist before he could even manipulate his ki to any significant or did you not watch the early sagas of dragonball? His skill isn't all reliant on i manipulation. Once again people forget Bruce has his own martial art style that combines Tae Kwon Do, Judo, Muay Thai, Dragon Style Kung Fu, Boxing, Jujitsu, and Ninjitsu which he has mastered. He took the ones he thought were best from the 127 he mastered and combined it to form his own style. If you watched the earlier stages of DBZ you know full well Goku's whole martial arts involves KI. From throwing a punch or a kick to becoming stronger or faster. Thats always been the case going way back to when Roshi first trained him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pseudonym Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 The set up says "just two martial arts fighters, fighting martial arts." So I assumed Bats doesn't have his suit. Which is a serious hit to his durability. There is no such thing as bullet proof. It is bullet resistant. Stop being pedantic. To even try to compare Bruce's suit being bulletproof to Goku's whole fighting being based on KI makes no sense and is not even the same. I merely stated that some of Bats's feats may be due to his wearing armor all the time. Finally, Goku's extremely durable and strong without ki manipulation and ki training and all that jazz. He's fast enough that as a child he beats the land speed record. He's strong enough to lift a car. And he's durable enough to survive a bullet to the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesh Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 That has no bearing on the argument whatsoever. Batman has been confirmed to have MASTERED 127 Martial Arts. Like it or not. And Goku has been using Ki since Dragonball. His fighting style has been reliant on Ki. Its how he was bulletproof, its how he was fast, etc, etc. Jeez, all the fanboys are coming outta the woodwork. (not you Nesh)How the hell did Bruce manage that? It takes years to master one style and Bruce is no older than Goku. Peak Human my ass. Tecnically Goku didn't actively manipulate i until he learned the Kamehameha and for a good while that was all he could do with it. So Goku hasn't always been reliant on ki manipulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 The only thing Roshi's "training" did, was make Goku and Krillin faster and stronger(i.e. enhance their Ki), he never taught them any actual martial arts, in fact, he specifically said that he was not gonna teach them how to fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 How the hell did Bruce manage that? It takes years to master one style and Bruce is no older than Goku. Peak Human my ass. Tecnically Goku didn't actively manipulate i until he learned the Kamehameha and for a good while that was all he could do with it. So Goku hasn't always been reliant on ki manipulation. Who cares how he managed it? Fact is, he did.(that's one of the reasons that I dislike Batman) And while it's true that he(Goku) has not always been reliant on Ki manipulation, he has always been reliant on Ki. I.e. being stronger and faster in order to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesh Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 The only thing Roshi's "training" did, was make Goku and Krillin faster and stronger(i.e. enhance their Ki), he never taught them any actual martial arts, in fact, he specifically said that he was not gonna teach them how to fight. They already knew how to fight though. Krillin was a monk and Goku had training from Grandpa Gohan. So Roshi didn't need to tech them how to fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Wrong Goku was learning to use his KI going way back to when Roshi had Krillin and Goku training to become stronger as well as faster. The same way Batman mastered 127 martial art styles is the same way Superman is able to move a planet or Goku is able to destroy a planet. Its comics and anime which aren't real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 They already knew how to fight though. Krillin was a monk and Goku had training from Grandpa Gohan. So Roshi didn't need to tech them how to fight. And yet they still rely on superior power, rather than superior skill, to win their fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pseudonym Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Are we forgetting the time Goku got hit by a car as a child, then picked it up, then got shot? Episode 1 of Dragonball? Just saying, serious durability and strength that only increases with age. Goku takes this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesh Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Ki isn't a power, everyone as it. His training made him stronger and faster and yes it increased his ki levels but ki is not a power. You can restrict things lie ki blasts and flight and call them powers but the ki itself and its pysical benfits are a result of training just lie Bruces impossible martial arts skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Are we forgetting the time Goku got hit by a car as a child, then picked it up, then got shot? Episode 1 of Dragonball? Just saying, serious durability and strength that only increases with age. Goku takes this. You seem to be forgetting, that for the purpose of this match, Goku has been reduced to human levels, specifically to avoid either of them being physically superior, and to make the fight about Combat Skills, rather than power. Not to mention the fact that at that point, his Ki was already above normal human levels, which is the reason for his strength, speed and durability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 And yet they still rely on superior power, rather than superior skill, to win their fights. not true Sir, they rely on everything to do it. Don't discredit them simply because in their universe they have to not only be fast, but strong, and smart. Goku is a battle genius as is Gohan, Vegeta, Ten etc.. COuld it be you simply skip their skills because you like to point out one aspcet of their skill sets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Ki isn't a power, everyone as it. His training made him stronger and faster and yes it increased his ki levels but ki is not a power. You can restrict things lie ki blasts and flight and call them powers but the ki itself and its pysical benfits are a result of training just lie Bruces impossible martial arts skill. It kind of is a power since it allows them to punch small mountains, have such high durability, fight at FTL speeds, and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tomisntblue Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 The only thing this thread has taught me is that Dr. Pymp(mex) and Tardauq Ekruggisse are complete idiots and that Jaeger Panzer must really like the taste of his monitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Why is it, that instead of simply giving examples of Goku supposedly high skill level, people keep trying to have Goku win DBZ style(through superior power, instead of skill). Really, if Goku is that skilled, then it shouldn't be a problem to find, and provide, examples. If I am wrong, and Goku has actually defeated opponents due to superior skill, rather than superior power, then providing proof should be easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pseudonym Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Then there's no way to tell. Both are good martial artists. No one wins this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 KI is not one aspect of there powers. KI is everything in DBZ when it comes to Martial Arts. Edit: I am with Methos please give us prove that Goku has beaten somebody because of superior skill since people don't realize or want to admit DBZ fighters win by being more powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Stop being pedantic. I merely stated that some of Bats's feats may be due to his wearing armor all the time. Finally, Goku's extremely durable and strong without ki manipulation and ki training and all that jazz. He's fast enough that as a child he beats the land speed record. He's strong enough to lift a car. And he's durable enough to survive a bullet to the face.Is it not true? You were making him out to have Superman durability. I'm pretty Shockwave wants it to be Goku with no KI at peak human vs Batman who is peak human. Of course Goku would stomp him if he had his KI. Hence why we are discussing who is the better martial artist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 not true Sir, they rely on everything to do it. Don't discredit them simply because in their universe they have to not only be fast, but strong, and smart. Goku is a battle genius as is Gohan, Vegeta, Ten etc.. COuld it be you simply skip their skills because you like to point out one aspcet of their skill sets? Not so much, I've pointed out in past debates, that Goku is an excellent fighter. The point is, that he(in terms of skill) doesn't measure up to Batman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pseudonym Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 How are you measuring this 'skill' faculty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesh Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 No powers. No prep. Just two martial arts fighters fighting martial arts. You seem to be forgetting, that for the purpose of this match, Goku has been reduced to human levels, specifically to avoid either of them being physically superior, and to make the fight about Combat Skills, rather than power. Not to mention the fact that at that point, his Ki was already above normal human levels, which is the reason for his strength, speed and durability.Nowher in that post does it say that Goku has been taken down to Human levels it says, no power, no prep. Ki isn't a power, everyone has it and Goku trained to attian his high levels. The benefits spang from his training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Nowher in that post does it say that Goku has been taken down to Human levels it says, no power, no prep. Ki isn't a power, everyone has it and Goku trained to attian his high levels. The benefits spang from his training.What would be the point of having Goku at full power against Batman? He'd literally beat Batman in a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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