Beat the unbeatable?

[Guest sirmethos]

Here's a little game/challenge, that will test your knowledge of fictional characters.

 

It's quite simple. I'll post what I believe is an unbeatable team, along with the rules(power limits, how big your team can be, etc.) and the setting/arena for that particular match. All you have to do, is post teams(following the rules), that you believe can beat the team, along with a brief description of how.

 

I'll let each team stay for somewhere between 24 and 48 hours, then I'll post the next team and the next set of rules.

 

 

Now, some of you are probably thinking "but if they're unbeatable, how are we supposed to beat them?".

 

Simple, even if I, at the moment, think they are unbeatable, there is still a good chance that there is some weakness I have missed, that you can exploit(kinda like the speed/reflexes weakness, that most reality warpers has), or some characters I haven't thought of, that can beat them.

 

 

That said, here is the first team:

 

Iron Man aka. Tony Stark(earth-616)

The Kingpin aka. Wilson Fisk(earth-616)

The Witness aka. Remy LeBeau(earth-1191)

 

 

Setting and rules:

 

The team(mentioned above) has merged and created a world spanning business empire, covering both legitimate business and the criminal underworld.

 

Create a team of 3 people, to make a business empire that can overtake the merged empire of the above mentioned team.

 

Powers are not allowed to be used in direct confrontations between characters or empires, or in establishing the empire.

[Guest force_echo]

Are character personalities the same?

[Guest Ruinus]

Can we use any characters to beat the unbeatable team?

[Guest sirmethos]

Are character personalities the same?

 

Pretty much, yes. But they have, of course, been affected by each other.

 

 

To explain what I mean:

 

In earth-1191, The Witness is the head of Stark/Fujikawa, as well as the primary leader of the criminal underworld. The Witness, in that time line, uses his control of the criminal elements, not just to keep crime from exploding out of control, but also to help those in need. For example, it was due to his ties with the criminal underground, that he was able to find, and help, orphans such as Bishop and Shard.

 

That said, in the merged empire, Tony Stark sticks to the legitimate side of it(and assists with the good things that the underground can do), while The Witness and Wilson Fisk takes care of the shadier side of things, but (tony)accepts the necessity of the underground side of the business, due to the good it does(and can do).

 

While it might be a bit of a moral stretch for Tony, I don't believe it is completely against him. We have already seen in Civil War, that he is willing to do morally questionable things for the greater good.

 

 

If there are any other questions from anyone, I'll do my best to answer them.

[Guest sirmethos]

Can we use any characters to beat the unbeatable team?

 

As long as you stick to the rules of the game(max 3 people on the team, and no powers can be used in direct confrontations, or in establishing the empire), yes.

[Indolent]

David Xanatos is a must. Will add to it later.

[Guest Bladephyre]

As long as you stick to the rules of the game(max 3 people on the team, and no powers can be used in direct confrontations, or in establishing the empire), yes.

 

Question about when you say, powers used in establishing the empire?

 

Like say I wanted to use Cypher because of his powers with language and tech. Would that be against the rules or do you mean like using powers to take over an empire.

 

If that is ok then I would say Cypher, Madison Jeffries, and Lila Chaney.

 

If not:

 

Mr. Terrific: for his wide range of knowledge, and his techno invis, set up on every enterprise.

Doom: His tech and business sense, also he can handle an entire country a business should be easy. Drones, LOTS of them.

Dunkelzahn: Umm he is freakin Dunklezahn.

[Guest skadoosh]

Xanatos, Wayne and Luthor.

[Guest Pseudonym]

Easily Beaten by The Projectionist and Batman and Napoleon

 

The projectionist uses media manipulation to sling dirt all over the other organization. Batman starts using WayneTech as a legitimate business opportunity. It grows corporately. WayneTech begins to buy other organizations. The Stark organization, worried, starts martialling for war. That's when the Frenchman steps in. Utilizing Bats' tech and Napoloen's strategy. They maintain. The projectionist shows footage of Stark's armies losing. Public opinion swings. My team wins.

[Guest Ruinus]

1. A Culture Mind. Any Culture Mind.

2. A Xeelee. Any Xeelee.

3. Bart Simpson.

 

The Culture Mind and Xeelee agree to play "Capitalism!" against the Marvel team. The Culture Mind does all the work in running the corporation and expanding it while also reading the entire Internet a thousand times in a second while the Xeelee ship goes around and builds the entire capital of the corporation or goes and goes and strip mines a star system or two for resources. If allowed, the Xeelee ship goes and checks every future move the enemy team will do and sends this information back in time for the Culture Mind to use to pre-empt the enemy team.

 

Bart Simpson is just the puppet the Mind and Xeelee got to play the part of the CEO.

[Guest sirmethos]

Question about when you say, powers used in establishing the empire?

 

Like say I wanted to use Cypher because of his powers with language and tech. Would that be against the rules or do you mean like using powers to take over an empire.

 

If that is ok then I would say Cypher, Madison Jeffries, and Lila Chaney.

 

If not:

 

Mr. Terrific: for his wide range of knowledge, and his techno invis, set up on every enterprise.

Doom: His tech and business sense, also he can handle an entire country a business should be easy. Drones, LOTS of them.

Ummm be back for the 3rd

 

Cypher, Madinson Jeffries and Lila Chaney are allowed.

 

But keep in mind that the objective is not just to "take over the empire", the objective is for your team to create a business empire of their own, that can overthrow the empire of Tony Stark, Wilson Fisk and The Witness. And they are not allowed to use their powers to create their own empire(though their are allowed to use them to Maintain it), nor are they allowed to use their powers in direct confrontations between the two empires, or between specific characters.

 

 

Easily Beaten by The Projectionist and Batman and Napoleon

 

The projectionist uses media manipulation to sling dirt all over the other organization. Batman starts using WayneTech as a legitimate business opportunity. It grows corporately. WayneTech begins to buy other organizations. The Stark organization, worried, starts martialling for war. That's when the Frenchman steps in. Utilizing Bats' tech and Napoloen's strategy. They maintain. The projectionist shows footage of Stark's armies losing. Public opinion swings. My team wins.

 

You seem to be forgetting two things.

 

1. Both Tony Stark, The Witness and especially Wilson Fisk, are used to dealing with 'hostile' business opponents.

 

2. While it wouldn't be against the rules to attempt sabotage against the opposing team/empire, but keep in mind that the team aren't just the largest Legitimate empire, they are also the largest Criminal factor.

 

 

1. A Culture Mind. Any Culture Mind.

2. A Xeelee. Any Xeelee.

3. Bart Simpson.

 

The Culture Mind and Xeelee agree to play "Capitalism!" against the Marvel team. The Culture Mind does all the work in running the corporation and expanding it while also reading the entire Internet a thousand times in a second while the Xeelee ship goes around and builds the entire capital of the corporation or goes and goes and strip mines a star system or two for resources. If allowed, the Xeelee ship goes and checks every future move the enemy team will do and sends this information back in time for the Culture Mind to use to pre-empt the enemy team.

 

Bart Simpson is just the puppet the Mind and Xeelee got to play the part of the CEO.

 

Nice, they might actually have a chance of succeeding. Just keep in mind that The Witness can do the same(check every future move the enemy team makes).

[Guest Bladephyre]

Cypher comes up with the strategy using his gift for language to predict their plans and come up with the best ones. If combat strategy is a language then business definitely is.

Madison FAR exceeds any sort of production and inventiveness they have.

Lila simply puts all their operations on the other side of the galaxy and all their transport is handled instantly.

[Guest Pseudonym]

1. Both Tony Stark, The Witness and especially Wilson Fisk, are used to dealing with 'hostile' business opponents.

 

2. While it wouldn't be against the rules to attempt sabotage against the opposing team/empire, but keep in mind that the team aren't just the largest Legitimate empire, they are also the largest Criminal factor.

 

Too bad Batman has no clue how to deal with criminals, amirite? Also, I'll add the Expatriate Darkleer to my team. He blocks FutureSight and that sort of stuff AND he's skilled with a bow and arrow AND he's a genius level mechanist.

[Guest sirmethos]

Cypher comes up with the strategy using his gift for language to predict their plans and come up with the best ones. If combat strategy is a language then business definitely is.

Madison FAR exceeds any sort of production and inventiveness they have.

Lila simply puts all their operations on the other side of the galaxy and all their transport is handled instantly.

 

While 1. and 3. are correct, 2 is not.

 

Madison's inventive power works in the same way as Forge's power. That doesn't mean his inventiveness surpasses that of Tony Stark. In fact, it has been directly stated that Forge's power does not make him a greater inventor than people like Richards, Doom and Stark.

 

And however great 1 man's production capabilities are, they aren't going to surpass that of a global business empire.

 

 

Too bad Batman has no clue how to deal with criminals, amirite? Also, I'll add the Expatriate Darkleer to my team. He blocks FutureSight and that sort of stuff AND he's skilled with a bow and arrow AND he's a genius level mechanist.

 

I am well aware that Batman is capable of dealing with criminals, he just isn't used to dealing with it at this scale.

 

The Witness worked his way up to the point where he pretty much controlled all organized crime on the entire planet. And Wilson Fisk not just worked his way up to become the Kingpin of New York, after leaving NY, he worked his way up, from rock bottom, to being one of the top 5 crime lords in asia, in less than 2 years.

 

Batman is also not used to dealing with opponents that works on both sides of the law at the same time, at least not on this scale.

 

 

Finally, who are you switching out, to add Expatriate Darkleer?(and you do realize, that his ability to block future sight, is absolutely useless in this case, right?)

[Guest Pseudonym]

1) The Expatriate's sight blocking abilities would cancel out the witness. Unless the witness literally waltzes into this corporation's base of operations, the Expatriate will block out any sort of remote psychic sight.

2) The Projectionist can manipulate all media, thereby severely weakening the Stark company's base and turning public opinion against them. Criminal Enterprises are pretty hard to keep together when members keep seeing news stories of betrayal and such. The Projectionist is doing most of the leg work, Stark's business will mostly collapse on itself.

3) Batman and Napoleon protect the Projectionist. WayneTech builds some sweet technology. Napoleon was mostly a joke submission. But Batman alone should be able to handle Iron Man's forces.

 

OOH, idea strike. Replace Batman and Napoleon with Doc Scratch. The Doctor is an omniscient being with space manipulation powers, immortality, and the ability to weild a broom as a weapon. So that's my team.

 

Expatriate, Doc Scratch, The Projectionist.

[Guest Ruinus]

Nice, they might actually have a chance of succeeding. Just keep in mind that The Witness can do the same(check every future move the enemy team makes).

 

According to this the Witness didn't really share information. The Xeelee, on the other hand, would. In that future Stark/Fukikawa was struggling with some sort of mind mapping, trivial stuff for the Mind to figure out.

 

The Mind alone could build and sell technology that would quickly outsell anything the Marvel team could make. Simpsons Inc (Or Bartman Industries, whatever Bart decides to call "his" company).

 

Iron Man level power armor? Bart Inc sells that to anyone who wants one. Hunting rifles that auto-aim for you and fire shots that could level modern cities? Bart Inc builds those too. Straight up immortality and medicine on a level unimagined by anyone alive today? Bart Inc has that too. Unlimited energy to solve the entier worlds energy crisis? Bart Inc can sell you that too. Computers that are far beyond your level of understanding, can talk to you, won't ever get virsus or break down and can run Crysis 2 at max settings while also downloading the entire contents of the Internet? Bart Inc sells those in three different colors. Technology that would revolutionize the entirity of human existence and completely collapse all modern forms of human society and reshape it into a post-scarcity society? Bart Inc could, if you ask nicely, give you that for free.

[treacherous]

Oxmandias

Scrooge McDuck (Switched out Richie Rich for Scrooge McDuck, Rich's money has been depreciating year to year, while Scrooge has been going up up up.)

Madam Web

 

Tony Stark's net worth: 9.5 billion

Scrooge McDuck's net worth: 44.1 billion

 

Guess who just got bought out. Scrooge's money in the hands of Oxymandias with a precog backing him up. Priceless.

[Guest hellboy6]

Reed Richards

Poison Ivy( I think you all know why)

Chuck Norris(When he was younger)

 

also read this:If you have 5 dollars and Chuck Norris has 5 dollars, Chuck Norris has more money then you.

[treacherous]

I'm not Sirmethos, but the biggest glaring aspect of your list Hellboy is no Business men whatsoever. None of your group has any idea how to take over a global financial empire.

 

Note: At least two of my members ARE a global financial empire.

[Guest hellboy6]

I'm not Sirmethos, but the biggest glaring aspect of your list Hellboy is no Business men whatsoever. None of your group has any idea how to take over a global financial empire.

 

Note: At least two of my members ARE a global financial empire.

Chuck Norris is a businessman in a few films(Forgot which ones)

Reed Richards is one of the smartest people in the Marvel Universe(He has the Intellect to run a business which he does. )

Poison Ivy is hot as hell

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

Chuck Norris is a businessman in a few films(Forgot which ones)

Reed Richards is one of the smartest people in the Marvel Universe(He has the Intellect to run a business which he does. )

Poison Ivy is hot as hell

SMH

[Guest hellboy6]

SMH

What? Reed Shares a part of Stark Industries.

[C.T.]

Chuck Norris acted as a businessman...ok, that doesn't count for shit.

Poison Ivy is hot as hell, that also counts for nothing.

Richards is a part of Stark Industries...I'm a part of Apple, that doesn't mean anything.

[Guest Hayesmeister5651]

What? Reed Shares a part of Stark Industries.

Your justification for your picks is just out right stupid. Instead of saying Ivy is hot as hell, you could have said "she can use here pheromones to manipulate other businessmen" or something along those lines.

[Guest sirmethos]

As promised, here is a new 'unbeatable' team, with a new scenario and new rules.

 

 

The team:

 

Batman-One Million

Zealot

Deathstroke

Remo Williams

Duncan Idaho

 

 

 

Setting and Rules: Create a team of 5 people to defeat the team in close combat.

 

The team must be street level characters(max 20 tons of strength. max Spider-Man level speed).

 

 

The fight will take place in Washington D.C.

 

Both teams have 24 hours to prepare.

 

Both teams have information about the powers and training of the opposing team(on top of any information that the characters might have themselves, of course).

 

 

Note: You are allowed to de-power/nerf characters, in order to use them in the challenge.

 

Note 2: Remo Williams is taken from the end of the series, and Duncan Idaho is the final Ghola, from the novel Sandworms of Dune.