A true Hero

[Guest xman4life]

Now almost every fight has been done before so now I have to ask a different questions.

 

 

Now We all know Batman can fight but how much can even he take? Or better yet how much can ANY hero take before he brakes down. So now here is the question: Can these heroes make it through before they 1)Taking a life(killing a villain) 2)Gives up being a hero OR 3) Gets killed. And tell at which point do they break.

 

 

 

Batman(The death of Nightwing, Damien, Catwoman, Alfred and Red Robin to the Joker, THEN after Joker has to take down Bane and Hush the same week)

Daredevil(death of Elektra, Foggy, and half of Hell's kitchen By Bullseye, THEN he has to fight Kingpin and Daken the same day)

Superman(death of Jimmy, Lois, and Supergirl by Lex Luthor, THEN after Lex he has to fight Bizarro and General Zod the same week)

Spiderman(death of mary jane, aunt may, and black cat by Green Goblin, THEN after Green Goblin he has to fight Carnage and Venom the same week)

[Guest Darxeth]

Now almost every fight has been done before so now I have to ask a different questions.

 

 

Now We all know Batman can fight but how much can even he take? Or better yet how much can ANY hero take before he brakes down. So now here is the question: Can these heroes make it through before they 1)Taking a life(killing a villain) 2)Gives up being a hero OR 3) Gets killed. And tell at which point do they break.

 

 

 

Batman(The death of Nightwing, Damien, Catwoman, Alfred and Red Robin to the Joker, THEN after Joker has to take down Bane and Hush the same week)

Daredevil(death of Elektra, Foggy, and half of Hell's kitchen By Bullseye, THEN he has to fight Kingpin and Daken the same day)

Superman(death of Jimmy, Lois, and Supergirl by Lex Luthor, THEN after Lex he has to fight Bizarro and General Zod the same week)

Spiderman(death of mary jane, aunt may, and black cat by Green Goblin, THEN after Green Goblin he has to fight Carnage and Venom the same week)

 

Hm. Batman is obsessive. And aside from Superman, his only true friends are his Bat Family and Alfred.

So if they die it could break his spirit and he'd probably resort to Red Hood's tactics after beating Joker and facing Bane...Hush would get under his skin and eventually drive him to his breaking point.

 

Daredevil would probably end up doing the same, except Bullseye would have gotten under his skin so he would've broken sooner.

 

Spiderman in Grim Hunt almost lost it, so it wouldn't be shocking to see him lose it thanks to the deaths of everyone closest to him by Green Goblin.

Soon as Green Goblin kills them all Pete would break and it would be all she wrote for Osborn.

 

So I'd have to go with Superman.

His will is indomitable.

[Guest xman4life]

Hm. Batman is obsessive. And aside from Superman, his only true friends are his Bat Family and Alfred.

So if they die it could break his spirit and he'd probably resort to Red Hood's tactics after beating Joker and facing Bane...Hush would get under his skin and eventually drive him to his breaking point.

 

Daredevil would probably end up doing the same, except Bullseye would have gotten under his skin so he would've broken sooner.

 

Spiderman in Grim Hunt almost lost it, so it wouldn't be shocking to see him lose it thanks to the deaths of everyone closest to him by Green Goblin.

Soon as Green Goblin kills them all Pete would break and it would be all she wrote for Osborn.

 

So I'd have to go with Superman.

His will is indomitable.

I don't know I agree with everything you said. I honestly think daredevil would break first but Superman would FLIP to find Lois and his cousin dead by Lex. I think Supes would maybe kill Lex and then leave earth immediately after leaving Zod and Bizarro to do what ever.

[Guest Darxeth]

I don't know I agree with everything you said. I honestly think daredevil would break first but Superman would FLIP to find Lois and his cousin dead by Lex. I think Supes would maybe kill Lex and then leave earth immediately after leaving Zod and Bizarro to do what ever.

 

I haven't read much of Daredevil recently, so you may be right.

 

I believe that Superman would be the last to break, then Batman. With Spiderman and Daredevil being first.

 

Edit: Superman might flip out, but not on the scale that the others would. Supes would handle it better than the others.

[Guest xman4life]

I haven't read much of Daredevil recently, so you may be right.

 

I believe that Superman would be the last to break, then Batman. With Spiderman and Daredevil being first.

 

Edit: Superman might flip out, but not on the scale that the others would. Supes would handle it better than the others.

Lois being killed isn't the part that makes him snap. it will be her dying by lex which really does it. but yeah i think he would be the last......meh or spiderman. He is really good at keeping his temper in check and also he CONSTANTLY preaches about not killing. Superman is a bit easier because killing a human would be like a human killing an ant so it might not mean much ti him or bother him that bad. Spiderman doing it requires him to stop the jokes and requires more effort than Supes does.

[Guest sirmethos]

With the information we've been given here, neither Superman nor Batman will break(though Alfred's death will get Batman close).

 

Spider-Man breaks first, with Daredevil being a (very)quick number two, considering that both of them have snapped in the past.

[Guest Darxeth]

Lois being killed isn't the part that makes him snap. it will be her dying by lex which really does it. but yeah i think he would be the last......meh or spiderman. He is really good at keeping his temper in check and also he CONSTANTLY preaches about not killing. Superman is a bit easier because killing a human would be like a human killing an ant so it might not mean much ti him or bother him that bad. Spiderman doing it requires him to stop the jokes and requires more effort than Supes does.

 

In Grim Hunt he had reached his breaking point.

Imagine what he'd do if said scenario were to play out?

He greatly dislikes Kraven and his family, but he absolutely despises Green Goblin.

Sure Kain's death and Spiderwoman's death really hurt him, but they're nothing compared to the pain he'd feel if MJ and Aunt May were to die.

[Guest sirmethos]

In Grim Hunt he had reached his breaking point.

Imagine what he'd do if said scenario were to play out?

He greatly dislikes Kraven and his family, but he absolutely despises Green Goblin.

Sure Kain's death and Spiderwoman's death really hurt him, but they're nothing compared to the pain he'd feel if MJ and Aunt May were to die.

 

Uh, Kaine isn't dead as far as I know, he was definitely alive after the events of Grim Hunt.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

Uh, Kaine isn't dead as far as I know, he was definitely alive after the events of Grim Hunt.

He was apparently killed near the end of Grim Hunt after sacrificing himself to save Spider-Man's life, and was believed to be dead by Peter for a while, but he survived. This, along with Mattie Franklin's murder, drove Pete to his breaking point, to the extent that he was on the verge of murdering Ana Kravinoff.

[Guest force_echo]

But he didn't. If you count that, then count Batman almost beating Joker to death. If Commisioner Gordon wasn't there to stop him, Batman would have beat the Joker to death with his bare hands.

 

That being said, I think the only person who makes it through this is Superman. Daredevil snaps first, followed by Spider-Man/Batman.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

But he didn't. If you count that, then count Batman almost beating Joker to death. If Commisioner Gordon wasn't there to stop him, Batman would have beat the Joker to death with his bare hands.

Right, but we're discussing the effect of Kaine's apparent death on Peter's mental condition, not whether his death counts or not (it obviously doesn't). I'm fairly certain that's what Darxeth meant when he brought it up in the first place. :/

[Guest bigballerju]

Superman wouldn't snap as he would know Lois would never want him to cross that line even in death for her. The only way he would snap would be if he were the one responsible for her death like in the DC Universe comics currently going on.

 

Batman would snap and kill if Alfred were to die by Joker. That's the one person who would push him over the edge. Batman wouldn't be able to handle Joker finally killing the one person he cares for the person who is like a father to him.

[Guest sirmethos]

Superman wouldn't snap as he would know Lois would never want him to cross that line even in death for her. The only way he would snap would be if he were the one responsible for her death like in the DC Universe comics currently going on.

 

Batman would snap and kill if Alfred were to die by Joker. That's the one person who would push him over the edge. Batman wouldn't be able to handle Joker finally killing the one person he cares for the person who is like a father to him.

 

Both Batman and Superman still have people/support to fall back on.

 

Batman still has Barbara Gordon(most importantly), Huntress, Talia, etc.

 

Superman still has Power Girl, Perry White, etc.

 

And that is without including things like the JLA that offers a net of support for them as well.

 

 

 

On the other hand, while Spider-Man and Daredevil also still has support they could fall back on, they have both 'snapped' in the past, despite having support to fall back on. Daredevil actually 'killed' Matt Murdock at one point, and Spider-Man considered doing the same thing, Spider-Man also punched Mary-Jane when he 'found out' the he was the clone, when him and Ben Reilly did their tests. He also snapped when Aunt May died, causing the entire retcon fubar with Mephisto.

 

While neither Superman nor Batman has really snapped that way, despite Batman losing Jason, and Barbara being paralyzed(just to mention a few things), or in Superman's case, when Supergirl died.

 

There is a chance that Batman would end up getting killed, having to fight both Bane and Hush afterward, but he wouldn't mentally break/snap, and neither would Superman. Daredevil and Spider-Man both would though.

[Guest bigballerju]

You see Batman has never been close with Huntress as there always at odds and Barbara herself would be way too unstable from there deaths to even be a support for Bruce. Barbara would be just as screwed up mentally and emotionally as Bruce would be with there deaths. That definitely goes if she lost Dick Grayson. Batman would snap though in my opinion.

 

Superman I agree would not snap because he knows Lois would never want that. Superman like you said has people to fall back on like Perry White, Wonder Woman, Powergirl, Mon El, Lana, Steel, and Superboy. Who are closest to him like a family.

[Guest Bladephyre]

If Batman did not snap after Batman and Robin came out a few years back, he is going to be fine.

[Guest force_echo]

But Batman did almost snap before, he probably came just as close as DD or Spider-Man. Again, if Commisioner Gordon would not have stopped him, Batman would have killed the Joker. Alfred is probably the one person Bruce is closest to, he's gone.

[Guest xman4life]

Both Batman and Superman still have people/support to fall back on.

 

Batman still has Barbara Gordon(most importantly), Huntress, Talia, etc.

 

Superman still has Power Girl, Perry White, etc.

 

And that is without including things like the JLA that offers a net of support for them as well.

 

 

 

On the other hand, while Spider-Man and Daredevil also still has support they could fall back on, they have both 'snapped' in the past, despite having support to fall back on. Daredevil actually 'killed' Matt Murdock at one point, and Spider-Man considered doing the same thing, Spider-Man also punched Mary-Jane when he 'found out' the he was the clone, when him and Ben Reilly did their tests. He also snapped when Aunt May died, causing the entire retcon fubar with Mephisto.

 

While neither Superman nor Batman has really snapped that way, despite Batman losing Jason, and Barbara being paralyzed(just to mention a few things), or in Superman's case, when Supergirl died.

 

There is a chance that Batman would end up getting killed, having to fight both Bane and Hush afterward, but he wouldn't mentally break/snap, and neither would Superman. Daredevil and Spider-Man both would though.

But Batman loses basically THREE sons(Tim, Drake and Damien), his woman(catwoman) Plus Alfred by the joker. Yeah I think he would kill him. Now Superman is a tough one but he would be broken a little mentally and physically when he faces Zod and Bizarro. Spiderman/Daredevil would probably kill and then kill the other people they face.

 

Your trading one thing for another. Supes will move on but would get killed because his head wouldn't be in the fight. Spiderman would kill AND Kill the other because him and daredevil would be more focused than anything. Batman would kill the Joker and probably quit being Batman knowing that he got EVERY kid close to him killed,Plus the woman he loves and his father figure.

[Guest Darxeth]

Right, but we're discussing the effect of Kaine's apparent death on Peter's mental condition, not whether his death counts or not (it obviously doesn't). I'm fairly certain that's what Darxeth meant when he brought it up in the first place. :/

 

Precisely.

I'm aware that Kaine came back, but Spiderman wasn't at the time.

 

My point was this:

 

After Kaine and Mattie died, Spiderman was barely able to stop himself at the last second.

So I definitely think he'd break as soon as Osborn kills everyone dear to him.

Why?

 

He hates Green Goblin more than Kraven.

Mary Jane and Aunt May are closer to him than Kaine and Mattie.

Plus Black Cat dies too?

 

He'd instantly blame himself and kill Osborn.

But not before using his wall-crawling abilities to rip the flesh off of Osborn's... again.

[Guest xman4life]

Precisely.

I'm aware that Kaine came back, but Spiderman wasn't at the time.

 

My point was this:

 

After Kaine and Mattie died, Spiderman was barely able to stop himself at the last second.

So I definitely think he'd break as soon as Osborn kills everyone dear to him.

Why?

 

He hates Green Goblin more than Kraven.

Mary Jane and Aunt May are closer to him than Kaine and Mattie.

Plus Black Cat dies too?

 

He'd instantly blame himself and kill Osborn.

But not before using his wall-crawling abilities to rip the flesh off of Osborn's... again.

Meh Spideys number one villain(Osborn) has done sooooooo much crap in the past 2 years that spidey would have to kill him. Wolverine blamed him back during dark reign for not killing him and now he has started all over again. JUST KILL THE GUY

[Guest xman4life]

Sisde note thanks everyone for voting on my battles. I'm ranked 1 now.

[Guest force_echo]

Oh CBUB, how you have fallen.

[Guest xman4life]

Oh CBUB, how you have fallen.

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