Match 1751 Obi-Wan Kenobi and The Jedi Knights and Clonetroopers vs. Master Chief and Spartan II's and UNSC (Halo)

[Skirmisher]

Nomi Sunrider, Odan-Urr, Vodo-Siosk Baas, Vandar Tokare, Revan, Alek Squinquargesimus, Bastila Shan, Hoth, Ahsoka Tano, Anakin Skywalker, Luke Skywalker, Galen Marek, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Qui-Gon Jinn, Shaak Ti, Mace Windu, Plo Koon, Oppo Rancisis, Rahm Kota

 

these are many of the jedi knights

Like I said before, and in the set-up, and in multiple places throughout this discussion... No, this is Not the entire Jedi Order... This is Just Obi-Wan and 25 Random Jedi Knights... Not Masters and Not Named Characters...

 

That means that Nomi Sunrider, Odan-Urr, Vodo-Siosk Baas, Vandar Tokare, Revan, Alek Squinquargesimus, Bastila Shan, Hoth, Ahsoka Tano, Anakin Skywalker, Luke Skywalker, Galen Marek, Qui-Gon Jinn, Shaak Ti, Mace Windu, Plo Koon, Oppo Rancisis and Rahm Kota are not in this fight!

[Mercenaryblade]

Great set up, this will be a truly great battle but I think in the end the Republic will win out but not without heavy casulties.

Would you be so kind as to check my Magneto vs. Thrawn battle? You seem to know a bit of strategy and id love to hear your take on it.

[Guest KevinDWolf93]

As far as I'm concerned, Skirmisher's doing a damn good job here. The UNSC have more of a chance than you seem to think.

 

 

Most UNSC bullets could penetrate Star Wars armor, probably in a single shot. Even if the *first* didn't, it seems that the UNSC like to put a LOT of rounds downrange at once, so much that they'd eventually punch through. And that's not even counting those bullets within a burst that would hit the body glove or visor, which has very little (if any) resistance to projectiles.

 

 

However, I would see Star Wars blasters being highly effective against the Spartans' armor and shielding. My reasoning is this: almost all Covenant weaponry uses unconcentrated plasma, which is why they look like they're shooting "blobs". Star Wars weaponry fires concentrated plasma beams or particle beams. The Covenant Beam Rifle fires a concentrated particle beam I believe, and we can see how effective that is. Now imagine a whole army armed with weapons that powerful.

 

But it gets more complicated than that when you take into account that blaster bolts move slower than bullets, so slow in fact, that I could see a Spartan dodging them. Hell, if I'm not mistaken, there are several cases of regular humans in the Star Wars universe (non-Force users) dodging blaster bolts.

 

I also agree that a Spartan could, potentially, fight a typical Jedi on even ground.

 

 

So, as for my overall decision... not sure, to be honest. The numbers seem to be slightly in favor of the UNSC, enough for me to say they have the overall advantage, even against the superior Star Wars tech. And then there's the reinforcements factor... Right now I'm leaning toward the UNSC, but I'll withhold my vote to see what others have to say.

 

Agree with troops and equipment(mostly).

 

As for Spartan vs Jedi. Im inclined to say jedi(Ive been listening let me finish) Now I get that reflexes could be on par, but I cant tell if ur taking into account their weapons , now I doubt any spartans are gonna have plasma swords and Im still thinking that Halo bullets arent as fast as u give credit, and can be deflected a bit easier than ur saying, though since theres not much I can compare I will hold that bullets will be deflected unless en-masse, the Jedis lightsabers would clinch that duel in my opinion considering cut through armor as well as defensive/creative capabilites(throwing ur sword really works:) .

 

Still overall Ill have to hold vote but rooting for Spartans

 

 

PS Great fight skirm.

[Guest Red Blue Blur]

I think after a tough fight they're will be dismembered marines, ODST, and Spartans laying all over the ground with clone troopers. Meanwhile most the jedi walk away unscathed.

[Skirmisher]

I also want to post some links to vids to show the two fighting forces

 

Republic

Clone Troopers & Jedi

 

UNSC

ODST's

Marines

[Skirmisher]

Agree with troops and equipment(mostly).

 

As for Spartan vs Jedi. Im inclined to say jedi(Ive been listening let me finish) Now I get that reflexes could be on par, but I cant tell if ur taking into account their weapons , now I doubt any spartans are gonna have plasma swords and Im still thinking that Halo bullets arent as fast as u give credit, and can be deflected a bit easier than ur saying, though since theres not much I can compare I will hold that bullets will be deflected unless en-masse, the Jedis lightsabers would clinch that duel in my opinion considering cut through armor as well as defensive/creative capabilites(throwing ur sword really works:) .

 

Still overall Ill have to hold vote but rooting for Spartans

 

 

PS Great fight skirm.

 

Thank you, and here's some specs on the Assault Rifle. It has a 10 round per second fire rate, and it's rounds travel at 905m/s, which is supersonic (~ Mach 3)

 

I think after a tough fight they're will be dismembered marines, ODST, and Spartans laying all over the ground with clone troopers. Meanwhile most the jedi walk away unscathed.

Like I've been trying to say, I don't think that the case. Jedi have been taken down with combined fire before, and Marines and ODSTs are far smarter than Droids.

[Guest Red Blue Blur]

Nomi Sunrider, Odan-Urr, Vodo-Siosk Baas, Vandar Tokare, Revan, Alek Squinquargesimus, Bastila Shan, Hoth, Ahsoka Tano, Anakin Skywalker, Luke Skywalker, Galen Marek, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Qui-Gon Jinn, Shaak Ti, Mace Windu, Plo Koon, Oppo Rancisis, Rahm Kota

 

these are many of the jedi knights

 

those guys above ARE the jedi knights The nights are all above padawan. These people listed are the only known knights really so the 25 would have to consist of some of them.

[Guest Red Blue Blur]

Thank you, and here's some specs on the Assault Rifle. It has a 10 round per second fire rate, and it's rounds travel at 905m/s, which is supersonic (~ Mach 3)

 

 

Like I've been trying to say, I don't think that the case. Jedi have been taken down with combined fire before, and Marines and ODSTs are far smarter than Droids.

all rifle fire is supersonic. thats why the target is struck before you hear the sound

[Skirmisher]

 

those guys above ARE the jedi knights The nights are all above padawan. These people listed are the only known knights really so the 25 would have to consist of some of them.

The ones you listed are all Jedi Masters. They are above a Jedi Knight. They are also Named Characters. The 25 random jedi knights are just that, Random = Not a Named character, Jedi Knight = Not Padawan, but also not a Master. As such, there is no Nomi Sunrider there is no Odan-Urr there is no Vodo-Siosk Baas there is no Vandar Tokare there is no Revan there is no Alek Squinquargesimus there is no Bastila Shan there is no Hoth there is no Ahsoka Tano there is no Anakin Skywalker there is no Luke Skywalker there is no Galen Marek there is no Qui-Gon Jinn there is no Shaak Ti there is no Mace Windu there is no Plo Koon there is no Oppo Rancisis there is no Rahm Kota

 

Hell, almost half the people on your list are already Dead by the clone wars.

 

 

all rifle fire is supersonic. thats why the target is struck before you hear the sound

Yet, that's not the same for Blasters.

 

, these are the rounds it fired, they fire at only fire at 250m/s to 330m/s... Already they look Faster than Blaster Bolts... Actual NATO Rifle rounds that the UNSC uses fire three times as fast as the ones in that video.

[Guest Red Blue Blur]

The ones you listed are all Jedi Masters. They are above a Jedi Knight. They are also Named Characters. The 25 random jedi knights are just that, Random = Not a Named character, Jedi Knight = Not Padawan, but also not a Master. As such, there is no Nomi Sunrider there is no Odan-Urr there is no Vodo-Siosk Baas there is no Vandar Tokare there is no Revan there is no Alek Squinquargesimus there is no Bastila Shan there is no Hoth there is no Ahsoka Tano there is no Anakin Skywalker there is no Luke Skywalker there is no Galen Marek there is no Qui-Gon Jinn there is no Shaak Ti there is no Mace Windu there is no Plo Koon there is no Oppo Rancisis there is no Rahm Kota

 

Hell, almost half the people on your list are already Dead by the clone wars.

 

 

 

Yet, that's not the same for Blasters.

 

, these are the rounds it fired, they fire at only fire at 250m/s to 330m/s... Already they look Faster than Blaster Bolts... Actual NATO Rifle rounds that the UNSC uses fire three times as fast as the ones in that video.

your NOT going to convince me that guys with OLD guns will beat people from thousands of years in the future especially with the abilities they have. JEDI AND CLONES STILL WIN!

[Guest Kain59]

your NOT going to convince me that guys with OLD guns will beat people from thousands of years in the future especially with the abilities they have. JEDI AND CLONES STILL WIN!

I gotta agree with the blur

[Skirmisher]

your NOT going to convince me that guys with OLD guns will beat people from thousands of years in the future especially with the abilities they have. JEDI AND CLONES STILL WIN!

Lol... those old guns are many, many years ahead of Blaster, so far ahead it's funny.

 

After all these weapons are from 2552 AD, and Blaster are from "A Long, Long Time Ago"

 

Even with that, I say that Modern Fire Arms are equal to Blaster Weapons. The only thing that Blaster Weapons have over Modern weapons is ammo capacity, as Blasters can hold about 100 shots per energy clip and can function for 500 shots before needing to be refilled with more gas.

 

But UNSC weapons are slightly better than Modern weapons. MA5C's hold 32 rounds, BR55's hold 36 rounds, SMG's hold 60 rounds, ect.

 

 

 

The Anti personnel power of these weapon is also similar, Bullets kill people, that's what they were designed to do, they do it well. I have shown you proof that even Modern weapons can penetrate Clonetrooper armour, which means that the Bullets Can and Will kill Clone Troopers. So what if they aren't "Lazhers!" they can still kill clonetroopers very effectively.

 

I have also shown you multiple times that Jedi are not the Infallible and Invulnerable Gods that you people wank them to be.

[Guest Jason Redfield]

Agree with troops and equipment(mostly).

 

As for Spartan vs Jedi. Im inclined to say jedi(Ive been listening let me finish) Now I get that reflexes could be on par, but I cant tell if ur taking into account their weapons , now I doubt any spartans are gonna have plasma swords and Im still thinking that Halo bullets arent as fast as u give credit, and can be deflected a bit easier than ur saying, though since theres not much I can compare I will hold that bullets will be deflected unless en-masse, the Jedis lightsabers would clinch that duel in my opinion considering cut through armor as well as defensive/creative capabilites(throwing ur sword really works:) .

 

Still overall Ill have to hold vote but rooting for Spartans

 

 

PS Great fight skirm.

 

 

 

As for the bullet speed...

 

There doesn't seem to be a definitive speed given for blaster bolts, but a bolt from Jango Fett's blaster pistol seemed to travel at about 410 feet per second. Not bad. http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=108677

 

A 7.62x51mm NATO round travels at, get this, 2,756 feet per second. And that's a modern 7.62 round -- if I'm not mistaken, UNSC standard-issue rounds are a lot "hotter" than what we have today.

 

That means the UNSC round is almost seven times faster than the blaster bolt. Most Jedi seem to have to concentrate pretty intensely to block blaster bolts, so...

 

That being said, I think it's rather generous to even say that your typical Jedi could defend against just ONE bullet, to say nothing of the volley that is sure to come at him/her.

[Guest Jason Redfield]

your NOT going to convince me that guys with OLD guns will beat people from thousands of years in the future especially with the abilities they have. JEDI AND CLONES STILL WIN!

 

 

Your "futuristic" guns fire a beam that is barely faster than an arrow from a longbow, which is an ancient and outdated weapon by our standards. How is that for ironic? Besides, they're from the past, not the future...

 

 

Right now it's like you've been proven wrong at every attempt to argue, and now you've just put your hands over your ears and started saying "LALALALALALALALA! NOT LISTENING!"

[Guest Zreth]

Star wars blasters are extremly unimpressive. The thing that makes the weapon actually effective is the fact that it deals good damage and hits a large area. For the Haloid video I don't think thats canon. What makes a bullet deadly is it's heat, speed and force.

[Skirmisher]

Star wars blasters are extremly unimpressive. The thing that makes the weapon actually effective is the fact that it deals good damage and hits a large area. For the Haloid video I don't think thats canon. What makes a bullet deadly is it's heat, speed and force.

Well, yes Haloid is Not Canon. Though, like I said, it's as close to what a Spartan is capable of as I can get.

 

As for what makes a Bullet deadly... it's the soft tissue damage, you get a round that tumbles or

and that's a sh!t load of pulped flesh. Now just imagine UNSC rounds that explode inside their targets.

[treacherous]

Pay close attention folks, cause this is what a set up should look like.

[Guest Kain59]

A blaster bolt would melt right through the armor of the marines and ODST. Spartans armor is thicker but again while the clone trropers lay down cover fire the jedi go in and mop up. Especially when the get in the spartans base in close quarters

[Guest Kain59]

where did you find how fast the blaster bolts are? Plus when using a tracer round you can see the bullet all the way to the target. It doesnt seem to move any faster than what the blaster does in the movie.

[Guest Kain59]

The ones you listed are all Jedi Masters. They are above a Jedi Knight. They are also Named Characters. The 25 random jedi knights are just that, Random = Not a Named character, Jedi Knight = Not Padawan, but also not a Master. As such, there is no Nomi Sunrider there is no Odan-Urr there is no Vodo-Siosk Baas there is no Vandar Tokare there is no Revan there is no Alek Squinquargesimus there is no Bastila Shan there is no Hoth there is no Ahsoka Tano there is no Anakin Skywalker there is no Luke Skywalker there is no Galen Marek there is no Qui-Gon Jinn there is no Shaak Ti there is no Mace Windu there is no Plo Koon there is no Oppo Rancisis there is no Rahm Kota

 

Hell, almost half the people on your list are already Dead by the clone wars.

 

 

 

Yet, that's not the same for Blasters.

 

, these are the rounds it fired, they fire at only fire at 250m/s to 330m/s... Already they look Faster than Blaster Bolts... Actual NATO Rifle rounds that the UNSC uses fire three times as fast as the ones in that video.

NO... those look about the same speed. Actually they look the exact same speed from the movie. Plus when the Clone troopers lay supressive fire the Jedi will get in close. The fight will go to the jedi. In close they will rip anyone opposing them to pieces with their lightsaber. The Spartans only defense would be there arms...oops, that wont work. As skilled as the jedi are in close quarters the Spartans wont have a chance inside the base. Which is where the jedi would encounter them because they are not stupid.

 

[Guest Kain59]

gunfire

 

blasterfire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ezsVj_DQzo...feature=related

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE2azmDTFX4...feature=related

looks the same to me

[Skirmisher]

gunfire

 

blasterfire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ezsVj_DQzo...feature=related

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE2azmDTFX4...feature=related

looks the same to me

Hey that's the exact same vid I used to discredit you! If you actually did any research you'd see that those rounds are actually Subsonic... And that Military Grade Rifles fire their rounds 3x Faster. So If Star Wars Military Bolts fire at Subsonic speeds and UNSC Military Rounds fire at 3x the speed they will be a base 3x harder to do anything to! Add in the fact that unless it's a tracer like that vid, a bullet is EXTREMELY hard to see, if at all, which makes it EVEN HARDER to to anything to. Then there's the fact that Most UNSC firearms are FULLY AUTOMATIC in some way,unlike the Semi-Automatic Blasters... meaning that the Jedi wouldn't just have to dodge/block/deflect One or Two bullets at a time, he'd have to Deflect DOZENS at a time, from only One soldier.

 

As well, Marines are not Droids, if they see a threat that's greater than another soldier they will concentrated Fire... That means, Just like Order 66 dead jedi. So that's kinda moots your argument of Jedi Leaping into the Marine Ranks.

 

 

Just imagine a Jedi jumping into this!

[Guest Kain59]

Hey that's the exact same vid I used to discredit you! If you actually did any research you'd see that those rounds are actually Subsonic... And that Military Grade Rifles fire their rounds 3x Faster. So If Star Wars Military Bolts fire at Subsonic speeds and UNSC Military Rounds fire at 3x the speed they will be a base 3x harder to do anything to! Add in the fact that unless it's a tracer like that vid, a bullet is EXTREMELY hard to see, if at all, which makes it EVEN HARDER to to anything to. Then there's the fact that Most UNSC firearms are FULLY AUTOMATIC in some way,unlike the Semi-Automatic Blasters... meaning that the Jedi wouldn't just have to dodge/block/deflect One or Two bullets at a time, he'd have to Deflect DOZENS at a time, from only One soldier.

 

As well, Marines are not Droids, if they see a threat that's greater than another soldier they will concentrated Fire... That means, Just like Order 66 dead jedi. So that's kinda moots your argument of Jedi Leaping into the Marine Ranks.

 

 

Just imagine a Jedi jumping into this!

 

but my point was is the jedi dodge it and block it. The marines or ODST will NOT dodge blaster fire once it has been shot. They would run for cover from the begginning. Plus the clone troopers are fearless. If they ran out of ammo with a big gun like in the vid one rushed a crawler jumped on top and took it down himself. Another jumped on blew the roof off a tank and blew it up.

 

The clone troopers = the ODST. The Jedi = Spartans. Obi Wan = Master Chief. The marines are a mute point. Seeing as how the clones way out number the ODST and the marines wont have much effect the battle then shifts.

 

ODST and Marines dead to Clone trooper + Jedi + Obi-Wan vs Master Chief + Spartans

 

26 Spartans can NOT take on what would be about 400 clone troopers + jedi + and Obi-Wan

[Guest Kain59]

I would see Star Wars blasters being highly effective against the Spartans' armor and shielding. My reasoning is this: almost all Covenant weaponry uses unconcentrated plasma, which is why they look like they're shooting "blobs". Star Wars weaponry fires concentrated plasma beams or particle beams. The Covenant Beam Rifle fires a concentrated particle beam I believe, and we can see how effective that is. Now imagine a whole army armed with weapons that powerful.

 

The rifles the clone troopers use are not all one shot at a time. There are some that are automatic and some that shoot 4 lasers at one time. So One shot kill on marines, two shot kill on ODST, and 2 to 3 shot kill on Spartans(depending on head shot). From long distance the UNSC's bullets have to counter wind and gravity as a blaster will not, its straight shot.

[Guest Red Blue Blur]

You do know essentially all clone troopers are as skilled as Jengo Fett since they were all cloned from him.