Andrew Ryan vs. Bruce Wayne

[Callisto]

Wtf does any of that do with him being a better or more interesting character?

 

You posted an insightful analysis of one of the characters and for that many readers (such as myself) will be gratified and enlightened. Thank you for that.

 

Everyone else posted lazy drek.

 

Regardless of who the more interesting character is, in this particular thread you are certainly the more interesting poster.

[Guest Scar]

Heh. Yep.

 

No really though, Bruce Wayne may not have as much money, but he's definately the better character.

 

1. He's Batman, so he's like the 2nd most famous superhero of all time.

2. He possesses so many skills that some might consider him as the pennacle of human achievement.

 

Sarcasm is obviously lost on you.

 

As for which one is the better character, that's up to the reader/watcher/player to decide. As far as this conversation goes however, Force has made a far better case for Ryan then anyone has made for Batman.

[Indolent]

Holy shit, Callisto spoke. *bows*

 

And Rob, I finally got the capability to make a title for myself.

 

Basically, Force Echo nailed it straight on the damn head (Tis be my lazy drek, sue me. ).

 

Andrew Ryan is indeed the better character out of the two in comparison.

[Guest sirmethos]

"interesting", is subjective.

 

Personally, while I'm not particularly a fan of Batman, I think he is the more interesting of the two, by far.

 

For two reasons.

 

1. I have absolutely no interest in the Bioshock universe, whatsoever. I found the first game, boring an repetitive, and while I haven't tried the sequel, I've been told by people who enjoy it, that it's basically the same(which is the reason that I've simply avoided it, no reason to waste my time with it, when it's basically the same as a game I already think is boring).

 

2. Ryan has a background story that stretches out over, what.. 3-4 games, tops, and a single novel. While Batman's background stretches out over more than 50 years of comics.

[Guest Darxeth]

Sarcasm is obviously lost on you.

 

As for which one is the better character, that's up to the reader/watcher/player to decide. As far as this conversation goes however, Force has made a far better case for Ryan then anyone has made for Batman.

 

I was being sarcastic also.

[Guest Darxeth]

No, no he's not. My bubble has not bursted.

 

Yes, yes he is.

 

Edit: his charisma is his superpower.

[Guest Darxeth]

Wtf does any of that do with him being a better or more interesting character?

 

Crime fighting martial artists > Andrew Ryan

 

Which character generates more fans and money?

Bruce Wayne.

 

Before now, I hadn't even heard of Andrew Ryan.

 

So, yeah. Batman is far more interesting to me and shall remain so.

[C.T.]

Charisma is not a super power.

[Guest Darxeth]

Charisma is not a super power.

 

Duh. I know that. Just trollin'.

[C.T.]

Everyone trolls these days.

[Guest Darxeth]

Batman shares more than enough of the commonalities of the fictional characters classified as "superheroes" to claim the pedigree. He wears a costume and keeps his real identity a secret; he has a hidden headquarters; he uses special equipment, ranging from miniaturized devices he keeps in his utility belt to vehicles like the batmobile and the batplane; he has the legal status of a deputy; he associates with other so-called superheroes and is a founding member of the Justice League of America, a team of "superheroes"; he often fights individuals who qualify as super-criminals; he defends common people and will risk his life to protect the common man; he can be summoned by the police through the use of a special signaling device (the "bat signal"); he has special skills which he uses to fight crime, ranging from a mastery of certain fighting skills, to the use of disguises, to the mastery of certain forensic sciences, to a unique understanding of psychology of the criminal mind, and he is a very good detective. Batman also answers to a higher moral code than does the average man.

 

Interestingly, the term "superhero" has been traced back to its first appearance in a 1942 story by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby, when it was used to describe the costumed character "the Guardian," who also had no "super-powers." The term "super" is a coinage of the 1920s, when iit came into vogue as a contraction of the word "superior" and should not be construed as always meaning something beyond the ability of ordinary humans; "super" does not have to be synomymous with "impossible." Batman is also served as an example of one of the world's best known "superheroes," and he is the prototype of scores of costumed heroes who have no superhuman powers. Clearly, Batman qualifies as a "superhero" and opinions to the contrary are exactly that, mere opinions, and may be ignored with a clear conscience.

[C.T.]

Batman shares more than enough of the commonalities of the fictional characters classified as "superheroes" to claim the pedigree. He wears a costume and keeps his real identity a secret; he has a hidden headquarters; he uses special equipment, ranging from miniaturized devices he keeps in his utility belt to vehicles like the batmobile and the batplane; he has the legal status of a deputy; he associates with other so-called superheroes and is a founding member of the Justice League of America, a team of "superheroes"; he often fights individuals who qualify as super-criminals; he defends common people and will risk his life to protect the common man; he can be summoned by the police through the use of a special signaling device (the "bat signal"); he has special skills which he uses to fight crime, ranging from a mastery of certain fighting skills, to the use of disguises, to the mastery of certain forensic sciences, to a unique understanding of psychology of the criminal mind, and he is a very good detective. Batman also answers to a higher moral code than does the average man.

 

Hmm...a lot of this stuff you mention fits well with another guy I know.

 

Costume? Check.

Hidden Headquarters? Check.

Special equipment? Check.

Special relationship to cops? Check.

Has associated with superheroes? Check.

Fights super-criminals? Check.

Defend common man with his life? Check.

Special skills(Hand to hand combat, espionage, firearms training etc)? Check.

 

And yet...Frank Castle is no superhero.

 

Well, the origin of something doesn't neccesarily have the same meaning today. For example...

 

http://stigdragholm.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/swastika.jpg

 

Now, back in ancient times, this was a symbol for peace. Now...I think we all know how its looked upon.

 

[Guest Darxeth]

Hmm...a lot of this stuff you mention fits well with another guy I know.

 

Costume? Check.

Hidden Headquarters? Check.

Special equipment? Check.

Special relationship to cops? Check.

Has associated with superheroes? Check.

Fights super-criminals? Check.

Defend common man with his life? Check.

Special skills(Hand to hand combat, espionage, firearms training etc)? Check.

 

And yet...Frank Castle is no superhero.

 

Well, the origin of something doesn't neccesarily have the same meaning today. For example...

 

http://stigdragholm....09/swastika.jpg

 

Now, back in ancient times, this was a symbol for peace. Now...I think we all know how its looked upon.

 

He's an antihero. His morals don't fit the superhero category.

[C.T.]

Batman is just as much an anti-hero.

[Guest Darxeth]

And Batman's does?

 

Indeed. He refuses to take another human's life. At least, as far as I know.

[C.T.]

http://quickstopentertainment.com/comics101/images/2003/nov26/killing.jpg

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/Ratso/batman_cossack.jpg

[Guest Darxeth]

Well, he has killed people before. However, Writers have since made it so those deaths never happened, implying it'd be out of character as far as the modern Batman's morals go, which I'd assume is the Batman used in this discussion. :]

[C.T.]

So he's not a murderer. He's still an anti-hero.

[Guest Darxeth]

So he's not a murderer. He's still an anti-hero.

Not even close.

[Guest Darksaiyajin345]

Not even close.

I could have swore Batman was created to be like the first main comic book Anti Hero of course I am far from an expert so I am probably wrong.

[Guest Darxeth]

I could have swore Batman was created to be like the first main comic book Anti Hero of course I am far from an expert so I am probably wrong.

Who knows? He might've been.

 

However: Modern Batman is dramtically different from 1939-1960's Batman.

[C.T.]

He is an anti-hero. He's served that position many times in the JLA.

 

Who's more likely to drop a criminal off a building and break his legs, Batman or Superman?

[Guest force_echo]

I can't tell if you're serious or not when you say Batman is more interesting because he's more widely known. If so, Justin Beiber is more widely known than many, many, many artists who make higher quality music than he does. Doesn't mean Justin's a better musician than any of them. Also, the main reason Batman's more famous is that he has a ridiculously high amount of marketing, not because he's a better character. His comics have been out since the 30s, he has countless TV shows, movies, lunchboxes, toys, books, backpacks, etc. Andrew Ryan has 1 game and 1 novel.

[ThePhenomenalOne]

I have an Andrew Ryan lunchbox....

[Guest Darxeth]

He is an anti-hero. He's served that position many times in the JLA.

 

Who's more likely to drop a criminal off a building and break his legs, Batman or Superman?

 

Meh, nowadays, he refuses to kill a human being.

Just because he breaks people's legs doesn't mean he's an antihero.

 

WW is more likely to kill someone than Batman, doesn't mean she's an antihero.

 

Catwoman is listed as a antihero, but Batman isn't. Most of the websites I've visted pertaining to Batman list him as a Superhero, and not an anti-hero.

 

but whatevs.

 

 

And @Force_Echo I wasn't being serious when I said that.

 

Honestly though, Batman intrigues me more than Andrew Ryan.

It is what it is, a mere opinion. :]