C.T. Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 WW is more likely to kill someone than Batman, doesn't mean she's an antihero. Um...yes it does. Especially since both Superman and Batman admonished her for doing it with Maxwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darxeth Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Um...yes it does. Especially since both Superman and Batman admonished her for doing it with Maxwell. She's listed as a superhero, not an antihero. Batman is listed as a superhero, not an antihero. http://www.dccomics....aracters/batman Edit: "Batman is proof you don’t need superpowers to be a superhero..." That's a quote from the link above. What more proof do you need to classify him as a superhero if DC states that he is indeed a superhero? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 “Harvey is that hero. He locked up half of the city’s criminals, and he did it without wearing a mask. Gotham needs a hero with a face.”“You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. I can do those things because I’m not a hero, like Dent. I killed those people. That’s what I can be.”- Bruce Wayne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darxeth Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 “Harvey is that hero. He locked up half of the city’s criminals, and he did it without wearing a mask. Gotham needs a hero with a face.”“You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. I can do those things because I’m not a hero, like Dent. I killed those people. That’s what I can be.”- Bruce Wayne. We're talking about the comics, not the movies. The Nolan films aren't canon to the comics, I figured you of all people should know that. Edit: Comics > Nolan films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Its not canon to the comics, but it shows the character of the guy. But since you want to play it like this, fine. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qoZ4ydTE7LY/Tm29qhZeMiI/AAAAAAAABRw/N3kjOJ9gpHI/s1600/Batman+vs+Darkseid+2+apocalypse+art+by+michael+turner.jpg Darkseid even compliments Bruce for the levels he will go to, that neither Superman or Wonder Woman would have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darxeth Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Its not canon to the comics, but it shows the character of the guy. But since you want to play it like this, fine. http://3.bp.blogspot...hael+turner.jpg Darkseid even compliments Bruce for the levels he will go to, that neither Superman or Wonder Woman would have done. Lol, that was a bluff. Batman tricked Darkseid into thinking he'd blow the charges. And appearently, he tricked you too. Look, DC states Batman to be a superhero. You may say otherwise all you want, but at the end of the day he's still a superhero. Besides, we're not talking how he acts in the movies, we're talking about his personality in the comics.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 A bluff, huh? And it works on a guy that can read minds? Yeah, totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darxeth Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 A bluff, huh? And it works on a guy that can read minds? Yeah, totally. Yeah, he bluffed him. Sirmethos and I actually talked about it in another topic, I could redirect you there if you like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Go ahead. Although, its not a bluff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darxeth Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 http://www.electricferret.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=24771&st=60 Even if he wasn't bluffing and would have set the charges off, DC has stated Batman is a superhero. and when it comes to Batman, DC's credibility is greater than yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 True. But this quote here, on the DC comics website. "How far will he go to protect the innocent, and will he sacrifice his humanity along the way?" Also... "He is a classic and well-known anti-hero who has had a significant influence on comic book anti-heroes. Batman displayed the traits of the modern anti-hero since his debut in Detective Comics, 1939. However, Batman's status as an anti-hero ultimately depends on who's writing or portraying him; many have leaned towards a more traditional idea of heroism. For example, while Frank Miller's might fit this trope like a glove, it's hard to really describe Adam West's Batman as an anti-hero." DC has said him to be an anti-hero as well. So now what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darxeth Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 True. But this quote here, on the DC comics website. "How far will he go to protect the innocent, and will he sacrifice his humanity along the way?" Also.."he is a classic and well-known anti-hero who has had a significant influence on comic book anti-heroes. Batman displayed the traits of the modern anti-hero since his debut in Detective Comics, 1939. However, Batman's status as an anti-hero ultimately depends on who's writing or portraying him; many have leaned towards a more traditional idea of heroism. For example, while Frank Miller's might fit this trope like a glove, it's hard to really describe Adam West's Batman as an anti-hero." DC has said him to be an anti-hero as well. So now what? So now we accept both. orAgree to disagree? If we acknowledge that Batman is both a superhero and an anti-hero, it would mean that he's his own worst enemy.Sounds about right. However, he tends to have more superheroic deeds than antiheroic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I suppose so, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Wait. Isn't an anti-hero someone who performs heroic deeds for their own personal gain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhenomenalOne Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Wait. Isn't an anti-hero someone who performs heroic deeds for their own personal gain? Well, he is. That's how Batman gets off. DC said so. Can't find the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darxeth Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Eh. He wouldn't take in as many sidekicks as he has if he was in it for personal gain. Unless his gain is that he gets to be a father-figure to 3 teens and then an actual father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Sidekicks has nothing to do with it as there are antiheroes who have sidekicks or partners. Batman's personal gain has always been his parents being killed by a criminal right in front of him and him fighting crime ever since. Very similar to Punisher where Punisher's family was killed in front of him as well. The only difference is one will kill and the other won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darxeth Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Sidekicks has nothing to do with it as there are antiheroes who have sidekicks or partners. Batman's personal gain has always been his parents being killed by a criminal right in front of him and him fighting crime ever since. Very similar to Punisher where Punisher's family was killed in front of him as well. The only difference is one will kill and the other won't. How many other antiheroes do you know that have sidekicks?And no, that is not a personal gain. Batman became what he is to prevent families from having to deal with what he dealt with. To become a guardian and do his best to keep Gotham safe; a VERY selfless gesture. What I've noticed with Batman is that when a family is struck by a similar tragedy as his own, he feels at fault (to a degree). This is probably why he took in Nightwing and the rest of the Bat Family under his wing. But as I've stated on the previous page already, DC has stated Batman to be a superhero. And from what Nova said, Batman possesses antihero qualities. He's both, let's leave it at that, shall we? :] Anyway, we've managed to derail this topic far enough. I think Batman is more interesting because: The man had to overcome the emotional trauma of seeing his parents murdered right in front of him. Later, he questioned the corrupted judicial system of Gotham and went on a journey that had lasted years to learn how to become a symbol; a symbol to give the good people of Gotham a feeling of security whilst making the criminals fear him. After all of the chaos and bloodshed he's endured throughout his time as the Dark Knight, he remains the protector of Gotham City. He has saved the city from itself on several occasions and has outsmarted countless foes. He's help conquer global threats and has rescued the JLA on occasion. Politically, he may be no match for Mr. Rionafski, but he's arguably just as complex and charismatic. He's a complex guy. Sometimes he's a broody paranoid jerk, othertimes he's an understanding advisor. Nontheless, there's a reason he is a favored superhero for many: Maybe it's because they grew to love his character, or because he's a hero who overcomes astronomical odds from time to time using an extraordinarily keen investigative mind, or maybe fans are content with the idea of man in a costume leaping rooftop to rooftop. One thing remains fairly certain: Bruce Wayne has remained popular since 1939. I'd be willing to bet that long after mostly everyone has forgotten about Andrew Ryan and Justin Bieber, Batman will still be a familiar figure and shall remain infinitely more interesting to me. But hey, it's not like my opinion matters to most of you anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Punisher has had sidekicks(Kind of...Microchip and Henry Russo), Wolverine(Kitty Pryde and Jubilee) etc. Derailed again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darxeth Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Punisher has had sidekicks(Kind of...Microchip and Henry Russo), Wolverine(Kitty Pryde and Jubilee) etc. Derailed again. hm, I stand corrected.Batman seems to be interesting enough for some of us if we can continuously derail a thread discuissing his character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 With the reasons you've given me, Batman doesn't seem that complex at all. So he's an interesting character because he's a hero? Because that's basically what the first 6 sentences of that paragraph says. If we're using that logic, I could easily name 20 characters off the top of my head that should be just as interesting, if not more so, than Batman. Yes, sometimes he's friendly, most of the times he's brooding. I can also list 20 characters off the top of my head that fit that category, namely almost every anti-hero ever made, and some villains. There are some things that are interesting about Batman, he isn't a boring character. The different ways he views justice (although this is more writer inconsistency than actual character thought), and the dichotomy between Batman and Bruce Wayne. Its interesting how, instead of the costume being a disguise for the person, its the other way around for Batman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darxeth Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 It is a matter of opinion good sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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