Rumble 11376 Wolverine vs. Predator

[RakaiThwei]

Hmm. You read the books yes? What about a showing frm those?

 

The books make mention of several durability feats about Dlex, but those usually consist of the metals withstanding gun firing, extremely high temperatures, and Xenomorph acid splashes here and there. In the Alien vs. Predator universe, there is a mention of Dlex being able to withstand the chronosphere of the sun as far as the novels go.

 

But if your asking feats of Dlex withstanding something like Thor's Hammer or Hulk's punch, I cannot give that to you because something like that doesn't exist. Superheroes don't exist in the Alien vs. Predator universe, so asking me for something like that is an impossibility.

 

However, if we take the Word of God trope into accountability, and read what was mentioned in those weapons specifications regarding Plasma Grade Dlex, then you have something which may rival Adamantium. I do know that some people have rated it as close to primary or secondary adamantium. I believe it was SirMethos who had made something of that claim based on the information I shared with him as far as Dlex metal goes.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[xLEGACYx]

Hmm. You read the books yes? What about a showing frm those?

I have seen some comics were a bomb blew up in the preds gut and he was unharmed due to his armor.

 

An example of his skills would be in Preator South China Sea he defeated 100 heavily armed men within and hour without being hit. The men had sniper rifles, mortars, AKs, grenades, and M60s to defend the fort they were in. The pred had a plasma caster, spear, net gun, and wrist blades.

[Guest bigballerju]

Didn't the original movie had those Commandos lead by Arnold blowing up a portion of the Jungle and finding out the Predator was still untouched? In that movie they had heavy weapons they used and firepower that tore through the jungle which they used on Predator or at least tried but failed.

 

Yet the Predator was still unharmed. Now either that shows how strong a Predator's armor can be or that shows how fast they could be.

[RakaiThwei]

Didn't the original movie had those Commandos lead by Arnold blowing up a portion of the Jungle and finding out the Predator was still untouched? In that movie they had heavy weapons they used and firepower that tore through the jungle which they used on Predator or at least tried but failed.

 

The original movie showed that the Commandos were firing at the jungle, but the Predator was initially tagged somewhere in the calf on one of his legs. Keep in mind that this was a Blooded ranked warrior who was more than likely wearing medium grade Dlex armoring, and to penetrate something like that, you'd need high calibur firing rifles and heavy weapons. Again, keep in mind that this was a warrior who was wearing Medium Grade Dlex.

 

In short, he wasn't wearing the top of the line armor. And that was pretty damn durable either way.

 

Never the less, he dodged most of the bullets which were being fired at him. Predators can dodge bullets, provided if they see them coming and they can. So they have a pretty fast reaction time when it comes to dodging bullets. I would say they would be just about a level below Spider-Man in dodging bullets as far as reaction speed goes in terms of dodging.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Nesh]

I'd like to point out that according to the set-up this isn't your average Yautja. It slaughtered an entire village. That would include women and children,the elderly, and possibly pregnant women. This Yautja broke the rules of The Hunt and is therefore a Bad Blood deviod of any honor. He will not play by the rules of The Hunt. It will do anything and everything to get the kill and not engage in fair combat like a normal Yautja.

 

Now assuming this Predator was a Blodded warrior before going bad, all o Rakai arguments apply, this thing is armed to the teeth and will not engage in fair combat like a normal Yautja. If Logan chaarge in he's in trouble.

[RakaiThwei]

I'd like to point out that according to the set-up this isn't your average Yautja. It slaughtered an entire village. That would include women and children,the elderly, and possibly pregnant women. This Yautja broke the rules of The Hunt and is therefore a Bad Blood deviod of any honor.

 

Assuming that this is true, and considering that this is a Predator who could be somewhere in the Blooded ranking level of experience and level of strength which would be somewhere around 2 to 5 tons in strength. Logan is even in more trouble than I initially thought.

 

All bets are off as far as a Bad Blood Predator is concerned. These are Predators who won't be playing fair at all whatsoever, and for all intents and purposes they might've even acquired or stolen some weaponry which is reserved for the high ranking warriors such as Elders and Veteran warriors. If that is the case here...

 

Logan is in SERIOUS trouble.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Nesh]

Assuming that this is true, and considering that this is a Predator who could be somewhere in the Blooded ranking level of experience and level of strength which would be somewhere around 2 to 5 tons in strength. Logan is even in more trouble than I initially thought.

 

All bets are off as far as a Bad Blood Predator is concerned. These are Predators who won't be playing fair at all whatsoever, and for all intents and purposes they might've even acquired or stolen some weaponry which is reserved for the high ranking warriors such as Elders and Veteran warriors. If that is the case here...

 

Logan is in SERIOUS trouble.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

Well let's look at the OP itself shall we? The first line in fact

 

Nick Fury had finished debreifing wolverine of how a creature has completely killed a village of people and he needs him to kill it.

Emphais aded by me. Completely killed, that means no survivors and that the Yautja was directly responsible. Yep, we're looking at a Bad Blood here.

[RakaiThwei]

Yep, we're looking at a Bad Blood here.

 

Then that little fact completely changes the original point of view on how this fight may potentially end.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Nesh]

Then that little fact completely changes the original point of view on how this fight may potentially end.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

It also goes to show that the Rumble creator knows nothing about Yautja and their honor code as he claimed this was your average Yautja. Bad Bloods aare a nasty breed... I feel bad for Logan.

[RakaiThwei]

I feel bad for Logan.

 

I most certainly don't.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Guest Guest]

Not entirely true.

 

For the most part, the Predators in the films have mostly died out of plot convenience and plot induced stupidity. In the case of Diablo Predator, Scar Predator, Wolf Predator, they were killed solely for plot convenience and we shouldn't hold plot convenience kills as accurate. If anything, Diablo, Scar and Wolf Predator would give Logan a fight.

 

 

-Rakai'Thwei

 

The thing is, considering wolverine's abilities and training, a large portion of his losses are acquired thanks to PIS and plot device. If this wasn't the case, there would be a lot more dead heroes and villains. It would be a really good and close fight but Wolverine has an extremely unrealistic healing factor based on "comic book physics". Every time Wolverine gets hit, he will likely heal and keep coming; every time the Predator gets hit, he will continue to be weakened.

 

Yes, this fight could go either way but without PIS I don't think that it's 50/50. I vote Wolverine after a great fight.

[Nesh]

I most certainly don't.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

Oh you, no respect for the dead.

[RakaiThwei]

Oh you, no respect for the dead.

 

No, I have respect for the dead.

 

I just don't like most Marvel superheroes. Some I like, but in the case of Logan... Not so much.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Nesh]

No, I have respect for the dead.

 

I just don't like most Marvel superheroes. Some I like, but in the case of Logan... Not so much.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

You are aware that was meant to be lighthearted right? I wasn't actually implying any lack of respect.

[RakaiThwei]

You are aware that was meant to be lighthearted right. I wasn't actually implying any lack of respect.

 

I figured much too late that you were being lighthearted.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Nesh]

I figured much too late that you were being lighthearted.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

I blame the internet's lack of inflection, I probably should've used an emoticon to denote such.

[Guest force_echo]

I haven't seen anything in this thread indicative of this Predator beating Wolverine. So the Predator will do whatever it takes to win, so will Wolverine. So the Predator has 3-5 ton strength, some of Wolverine's feats approach that level too, such as picking up cars and shattering steel chains. So the Predator is experienced in the hunt- Wolverine's experienced in fighting superpowered beings. So the Predator is old, so is Wolverine.

[comic_book_fan]

Oh come on, not this BS again...

 

First off, we need to account the rank of the Yautja in question, and not to mention the level of equipment the Yautja in question is using.

 

Seriously, Wolverine is not the end all, beat all.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

no but it does not take a galactus level being to beat a pred and what weapon does the average pred have that is capable of beating wolverine .

[RakaiThwei]

I haven't seen anything in this thread indicative of this Predator beating Wolverine. So the Predator will do whatever it takes to win, so will Wolverine. So the Predator has 3-5 ton strength, some of Wolverine's feats approach that level too, such as picking up cars and shattering steel chains. So the Predator is experienced in the hunt- Wolverine's experienced in fighting superpowered beings. So the Predator is old, so is Wolverine.

 

That's not exactly the point of me presenting my arguements.

 

The reason why I am arguing is the fact that people are so quick to dismiss a Yautja, any Yautja, regardless of the level of strength or the experience, to lose so immediately to Wolverine.

 

I'm not saying Wolverine doesn't stand a chance, but I am also saying that the Predator has a chance.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Guest The Lord Dragon Reborn]

No one is trying to say that the Pred doesn't stand a chance, we just feel that ultimately Wolverine has the best chance.

[RakaiThwei]

No one is trying to say that the Pred doesn't stand a chance, we just feel that ultimately Wolverine has the best chance.

 

And that's fine, but when you actually take the time to research the Predator character(s) as I have by watching the films, reading the expanded universe material, and playing the games as I have for many years-- I feel as if the Yautja, any Yautja would be more than capable of taking Wolverine out.

 

I mean I am definitely in the minority here and I am not sure if there is anyone who has invested in the Alien vs. Predator franchise as I have here on this forum.

 

Considering that Wolverine is dealing with a Bad Blood Predator, who is of average strength for the average Predator (which is somewhere between 2 - 5 tons) and has a fair amount of experience, I personally feel that this is a toss up and I could argue that this Yautja could beat and claim Logan's life. Now that's just my opinion.

 

The problem with hackneyed matches like this, is that there are too many variables, very few specifics, and little to know information which leaves us to assume that we're dealing with the kind of Predator we see in the movies and only the movies, when really, the expanded universe does got hand in hand with the movies as well as the games and if you count those like I do... whole different ball game.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Guest bigballerju]

The Predator has the firepower and equipment to defeat Wolverine. The Predator with his mask could do a quick x-ray of Wolverine's body as he will detect something in Wolverine's body which that something we know is his metal. The Predator is smart enough and has the experience along with the firepower to find a weakness in Wolverine to kill Wolverine or at least put him down for a while. Wolverine has lost alot to super-powered beings and other opponents in his first encounter with them if you look at his history.

 

Now here is the thing no one is taking into consideration. One Wolverine won't really be able to track the Predator too well because he has never encountered it before nor does he even know what he is dealing with. Wolverine won't be able to detect its scent and more because he doesn't know what its like nor do Predators even leave a trace or anything from there attacks that leads to them. Also being in the jungle which has other animals, scents, and stuff willl throw him off. This has been shown to be the case before in the comics. Wolverine doesn't even know his enemy is from another planet in another part of the galaxy. Wolverine does not know a damn thing about the Predator so even if he engages it in combat if he goes about fighting it his usual way he will get killed as the Predator will tear him apart.

 

Last the Predator in hiding using his cloaking device with his weapons could take Wolverine out from a distance before Wolverine even knows what hit him.

[RakaiThwei]

The Predator has the firepower and equipment to defeat Wolverine. The Predator with his mask could do a quick x-ray of Wolverine's body as he will detect something in Wolverine's body which that something we know is his metal. The Predator is smart enough and has the experience along with the firepower to find a weakness in Wolverine to kill Wolverine or at least put him down for a while.

 

Here is the thing about Wolverine's healing factor-- and this is something which a lot of people have purposely never even so much as brought up, oh so conveniently because of the fact either they know it's something which could be crucial in Wolverine's fall, or they don't even know it and aren't Wolverine fans to begin with.

 

Wolverine's healing factor can be over-worked, and it has been over-worked in the past. Sure, Wolverine can take a lot of damage but there have been instances to where even his healing factor has not been enough to save him and he required medical assisstance until his body was at a nominal point for his healing factor to kick in. One instance, was where Magneto had ripped the Adamantium from Logan's bones. Wolverine was taken out for a while and then he lost his mind to a feral state because of it.

 

Another instance was where Nick Fury had actually caught Logan in a vulnerable position and jabbed a knife into his ear, effectively stopping his brain from funcitoning. And he proved this to a bunch of rookie SHIELD Agents.

 

There are numerous ways to counter Wolverine's healing factor. Wolverine's wounds could be further aggravated to delay healing, enough for the Predator to deal some siginficant amount of damage, and considering that this is a Bad Blood, I can see the Predator using his plasma caster to play a part in over-working Logan's healing acceleration. And I can see the Predator stabbing his wristblades through Logan's eyes, effectively, rupturing his brain.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Guest Dr. Pymp(mex)]

The whole "what metal is more durable" is moot even if they are close in strength/durability, they would never cut into one another. Try slashing two similar swords, they would cling off and not be sliced in half. All I'm saying is that Logan has healing that has shown remarkable strength and has taken hits by Sabretooth who is about 5 ton range, dodged punches from Spiderman who is ten times faster than a human and taken shots from all kinds of weapons,

 

His up close skills would be enough to render any predator off guard as Logan would bleed, scream and fall over, but would then get up quickly and be close enough where he can damage his foe, everyone that beats him does so by knowing his powers and him fighting people unknown don't know that he heals and can track/hear his foes

[RakaiThwei]

The whole "what metal is more durable" is moot even if they are close in strength/durability, they would never cut into one another. Try slashing two similar swords, they would cling off and not be sliced in half.

 

I can agree with that.

 

All I'm saying is that Logan has healing that has shown remarkable strength and has taken hits by Sabretooth who is about 5 ton range, dodged punches from Spiderman who is ten times faster than a human and taken shots from all kinds of weapons.

 

Sabretooth's strength seems to fluxuate. He started off somewhere to five tons, then his strength was augmented to fifteen tons, and then it went somewhere back down again. So that point would seem moot.

 

Also, Predators have taken all kinds of gunshots as well and for the most part shrugged them off in a few ocassions.

 

His up close skills would be enough to render any predator off guard as Logan would bleed, scream and fall over, but would then get up quickly and be close enough where he can damage his foe, everyone that beats him does so by knowing his powers and him fighting people unknown don't know that he heals and can track/hear his foes

 

No. Not ANY Predator as you would like to think.

 

I could see something like that working on an inexperienced Predator, but one who has a fair amount of experience like Diablo or even a vast amount of experience like someone either say Wolf, Smilely or even Dachande... that's not going to work. They wouldn't get careless like you would believe to think.

 

-Rakai'Thwei