Rumble 11376 Wolverine vs. Predator

[comic_book_fan]

wolverine was nearly killed by omegared because the deathspores netrualised his regeneration then he beat wolverine nearly to death the tossed him out of a window to the pavement thats one of the only times i seen wolvie's healing factor over taxed and when magneto tore the adamantium out of him but yeah he can be over taxed but the question is can pred do that kind of damage.

[Guest force_echo]

The man's name is Iron Fist.

 

Stuff that occurs in another timeline doesn't count first of all, unless you want me to count Wolverine's feats in other Universes, in which case he has the powers of a herald and totally obliterates the Predator. If you don't have concrete feats of these "other" enemies Predators have fought (which you haven't given yet), then what does it matter? Its completely useless for the purpose of this debate. Besides, just because some Predators fight these kinds of things, doesn't mean every one does. So the fact remains that Wolverine definitely has to regularly push himself against far greater opponents than any Predator's ever faced. Opponents who could easily kill a Predator.

 

Give me concrete proof that the average Bad Blood Predator is 400 years old. And besides, quality beats quantity. Wolverine's been going 200+ years fighting superhumans who are capable of FAR more than Xenomorphs or Space Marines. Wolverine surpasses a Predator in nearly EVERY way.

 

I get that you don't know how to read my responses, but you can't even read your OWN? You explicitly stated, "Logan can survive a nuclear blast, but he cannot survive adamantium being ripped from his bones by Magneto?". That's exactly what you said, which means you said that he died by getting adamantium ripped from his bones by Magneto. And yes, you were posting speculative bullshit.

[RakaiThwei]

wolverine was nearly killed by omegared because the deathspores netrualised his regeneration then he beat wolverine nearly to death the tossed him out of a window to the pavement thats one of the only times i seen wolvie's healing factor over taxed and when magneto tore the adamantium out of him but yeah he can be over taxed but the question is can pred do that kind of damage.

 

If we are talking about melee combat, then not necessarily unless the Predator has some of the top of the line weaponry on him such as the nano-vibronic Smart Disc, which is a heavily upgraded version of the standard Smart Disc, and it's molecular disruption field that allows the weapon to cut on a molecular level is increased quite dramatically. However, as far as cleaving through Adamantium, it's highly unlikely to happen.

 

From what I see in the initial skirmish, the two interlock blades and there is a good chance this Bad Blood could throw Logan away from him some sufficient distance to get some good range.

 

With the shoulder plasma caster, there is a probability that it could do some extended damage. Standard plasma casters happen to utilize plasma shots, each with a varying level of charge from low, medium and high powered shots. The plasma caster charges up very quickly, and it's been known to do some tremendous damage even when set to low power, as the blast radius of a low powered shot is perhaps 12.5 yards from what we've seen in the first movie. Now medium powered shots are known to do some very powerful damage, and high powered shots are-- for all intense and purposes, anti-tank/anti-aircraft. In the Marine campaign in Alien vs Predator 3, there is a cut scene where we do see a Predator firing at UDL4 Cheyenne Dropship out of mid-flight.

 

The plasma caster has a limited shot number of maybe 80 bursts before needing a recharge. So high powered blast, could potentially wear Logan down if he is hit with enough high powered shots.

 

And then there is the other energy based weapons which most Yautja carry with them. One of them being the Burner gun, which is essentially a hand held weapon which functions similarly to a shotgun but instead of firing buckshots, it fires off a stream of high powered plasma energy which continuously burns it's intended target. Think essentially like someone put napalm in a shotgun cartridge and each shot you fire is not only a powerful burst, but a stream of volatile energy that engulfs whatever it hits.

 

So if enough shots are landed by a high powered shot from the plasma caster, with subsequent burner blasts and perhaps more plasma shots. It could potentially wear Logan's healing factor. I'm sure Logan will try and fight off the pain, but pain is pain, and I'm pretty sure that each shot might knock him back.

 

How many shots from either weapon would it take to over-work Logan's healing, I'm not sure.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[RakaiThwei]

The man's name is Iron Fist.

 

Alright, let me look the guy up.

 

 

Stuff that occurs in another timeline doesn't count first of all, unless you want me to count Wolverine's feats in other Universes, in which case he has the powers of a herald and totally obliterates the Predator. If you don't have concrete feats of these "other" enemies Predators have fought (which you haven't given yet), then what does it matter? Its completely useless for the purpose of this debate. Besides, just because some Predators fight these kinds of things, doesn't mean every one does. So the fact remains that Wolverine definitely has to regularly push himself against far greater opponents than any Predator's ever faced. Opponents who could easily kill a Predator.

 

The writer of this match, who is a horrible writer by the way, has not stated WHICH version of the Predator which he is using. Either he is using the AvP Predators, or the Robert Rodriguez rebooted Predators. And considering the fact that he says that this is a "normal" Predator, by whatever that means considering that this is a kid who knows next to nothing about the franchises, or even so much the EU. "Normal" Predator could mean either this is the Average Ranked/Experienced Predator, or one of the two species seen in the reboot movie PREDATORS. I am only debating because I have to assume that this is perhaps a Bad Blood Predator with the experience level of a Blooded warrior.

 

Yes, you are right... Just because Predators have fought some of the aforementioned enemies I have mentioned, doesn't mean that everyone of them does. But again, considering that the creator of this match up knows next to nothing about the Yautja and instead is perhaps going off from the first two films, maybe even the Rodriguez film, we are left only to assume certain things here

 

I am going with what I know of the Yautja. Others, who are not as well versed as I am, are going with the first two movies. I assume you are going off the movies and only the movies as well.

 

 

So the fact remains that Wolverine definitely has to regularly push himself against far greater opponents than any Predator's ever faced. Opponents who could easily kill a Predator.

 

And I am sure that these opponents whom Logan has fought should've killed him with relative ease as well. Better yet, aside from generalizing, give me some of these names of these opponents because I want to see for myself who Logan has rightfully won against, and whom he had damn well should've lost against. I want names, give me names.

 

I know that Hulk should've been able to kill Logan multiple times, but the reason why Logan is still around is because he is such an iconic (if not shitty) character who has an overwhelmingly large fanbase, that would've had an outcry larger than the Jason Todd fiasco had the mainstream 616 version been killed. No one cared when the 1610 version was killed, because he wasn't the mainstream 616 Logan. Had it been the Mainstream 616 that Hulk would've killed, I gaurentee you that there would've been an outcry.

 

 

Give me concrete proof that the average Bad Blood Predator is 400 years old. And besides, quality beats quantity. Wolverine's been going 200+ years fighting superhumans who are capable of FAR more than Xenomorphs or Space Marines. Wolverine surpasses a Predator in nearly EVERY way.

 

Again, as I have stated we do know that Predators age much slower than human beings. In the Alien vs Predator novels, it's been mentioned that Predators have a longer childhood than human beings do, by the time human beings are grown up and leave their homes to start their own paths in life, Predators for the most part are still being raised to be warriors while still being quite young. And in the movie Alien vs Predator, we do know that the Yautja have been coming down to Earth for the ritual hunt to become recognized as true warriors every one hundred years. And those are just the Unblooded to Young Blooded rank.

 

Also in the case of Scarface Predator, who was the main protagonist of Predator: Concrete Jungle, had been hunting in the area of New Way City for years. In-game story narration suggest that he has been coming down to Earth for maybe well over 200-300 years since Native Americans have old stories about him as a demonic entity that came down to hunt them for generations-- and this was way before the white man came and settled. And then he is banished to a desolate world to fend for himself for over 100 years, not having aged much at all. As for his ranking, he was a dishonored warrior, so ranking does not apply to him since he had to earn it back. However it should be noted that he was much stronger than the average Blooded warrior since he did nothing but hone his skills, and hunt to survive on that planet.

 

In the case of the Elder of Predator 2, we do know that he has been hunting on Earth for quite sometime now. However in the prequel comic to Predator 2, Predator: 1718, we know that the time he was last seen around that era was of course... 1718. We don't see him again until 1997, during the events of Predator 2.

 

In the case of the Elder Predator in Alien vs Predator, storyline wise we do know that Predators have been coming down to Earth since maybe... 10,000 BC and they were the ones who had created the first civilization. However, the Elder in the end is simply known as Ancient according to the script and is suggested that the Predator in the flashback scene of the first civilization, the Predator holding the Alien head with his combi-staff-- might be infact the Ancient we see at the end of the film. And this was a Hunter who claimed a successful kill (or amount of kills) before Antarctica was turned into a frozen desert before the fall out.

 

I'm just giving out rough generalizations based on researched material, but you're demanding something from the source material and the EU that I cannot provide.

 

 

I get that you don't know how to read my responses, but you can't even read your OWN? You explicitly stated, "Logan can survive a nuclear blast, but he cannot survive adamantium being ripped from his bones by Magneto?". That's exactly what you said, which means you said that he died by getting adamantium ripped from his bones by Magneto. And yes, you were posting speculative bullshit.

 

I can read your responses, and I most certainly can read mine. I don't know where you get this idea that I am some elementary school drop out that never got his G.E.D. (for the record, let it be known that I completed my years from Kindergarten to Senior, from elementary to high school and earned my diploma. Class of 06.).

 

Incase you didn't know, with that statment, I was being semi-sarcastic about how Marvel sometimes over-powers their characters or give them convenient plot-armor or Deus Ex Machina plot devices. Internet doesn't text emotes very well, so I was being sarcastic.

 

Really, Sid, I'm trying to be civil.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[corvette1710]

Just going to say, if the Predator from this set up gets a headshot or a shot in anywhere close to his brain, said brain will boil from the heat of the plasma. >.>

 

*Departs, lets others continue*

[Guest Dr. Pymp(mex)]

I think you are providing excellent points Rai, but a few things we should all look at:

 

1. Logan survives due to the fact that he heals from injuries, Hulk punching him won't kill him because his bones won't break and if the bones can't break there is only bruising which is nothing bad to Logan. I mean if you get sliced by a sword and it hits the bone(metal) it will stop there, that means there would be only cuts and bleeding instead of a hulk punch just blowing Logan up like would happen if a train hit a person in real life.

 

Now since his bones are good, healing the injuries are a piece of cake.

 

2. Predators while being great hunters are what not, are not masters of fighting, hunting means tracking, ambushing, and stealth, not out fighting someone, don't get me wrong hunting involves fighting too, but w/o the predators armor and gadgets they would be seriously weaker

 

I mean what can they do with out a cheap blaster or a PiS throwing homing blades lol. It would just be them all natural and they can only see in infrared which sucks

 

Logan can see lasers and smell them too, he can hear sounds only animals can hear and has more training with his claws than we would think

 

It's not about PIS but more about comic logic

 

Alien queens kill predators when one on one and nothin they have can stop l

[RakaiThwei]

I think you are providing excellent points Rai, but a few things we should all look at:

 

1. Logan survives due to the fact that he heals from injuries, Hulk punching him won't kill him because his bones won't break and if the bones can't break there is only bruising which is nothing bad to Logan. I mean if you get sliced by a sword and it hits the bone(metal) it will stop there, that means there would be only cuts and bleeding instead of a hulk punch just blowing Logan up like would happen if a train hit a person in real life.

 

I already know this, why are you bringing this up?

 

2. Predators while being great hunters are what not, are not masters of fighting, hunting means tracking, ambushing, and stealth, not out fighting someone, don't get me wrong hunting involves fighting too, but w/o the predators armor and gadgets they would be seriously weaker

 

I mean what can they do with out a cheap blaster or a PiS throwing homing blades lol. It would just be them all natural and they can only see in infrared which sucks

 

Actually, some Predators ARE masters of fighting. As I have already stated, there is a Predator who is a master of Kenjutsu and Bushido after having spent many years in Japan, hunting Samurai and had come to learn the style by mimicing their movements and learning the technique. This Predator also happened to own two set of custom swords and has become a master of the art of Kenjutsu, the art of sword combat. And Kenjutsu is the parental art of Kendo and Iaito. It's not practiced much today as it's modern descendent arts but it is still practiced.

 

And Jehdin is a martial art which is a fighting style all in itself. According to Steve Perry, the author of the Alien vs Predator novels, Jehdin is their martial art. He was inspired by actual martial arts which he had learned in his life ranging from Tae Kwon Do, Shotokan Karate, Aikido and Penchak Silat. The style is described roughly as being mostly hand to hand since that's what the word Jehdin means. One Predator who was a master of Jehdin, hand to hand fighting, was Dachande, and he was an Elder who was known to trounce other Elders with relative ease and Young Blooded warriors alike.

 

Actually, Yautja are just as dangerous without their armor and weapons-- there has been numerous instances where a Predator who has been captured by human scientists were stripped of all of their weapons and their armor, but they patiently wait and when an opprotunity arrives for escape, they take it. In Alien vs Predator: Thrill of the Hunt, a Young Blooded Predator had escaped-- BARE NAKED save for a loin cloth, from a captivity and he tore through dozens of heavily armed personel with his bare hands, and had a UD4L Cheynne Dropship chase after him in the jungle... and all the while, he was tearing away at security staff and Marines. That was just one instance.

 

In Predator: Concrete Jungle, Scarface was stripped of his weapons as well and left essentially with his bare hands thanks to being captured by Borgia Industries Anti-Predator Strike Forces-- who were armed with retro-engineered Pred-Tech based weapons that utilized lasers and plasma rifles, as well as cloaking devices and armor. Upon escaping, the same strike forces were chasing after him but he was tearing through them all the while in his escape, and he went through Borgia Industries headquarters, and he got his weapons and armor back.

 

So, Predators are just as dangerous without their armor and weapons.

 

I mean what can they do with out a cheap blaster or a PiS throwing homing blades lol. It would just be them all natural and they can only see in infrared which sucks

 

How is the Smart Disc plot-induced stupidity when there is concrete technical insights to how the device works? I... I sometimes wonder if you are trying to be funny... or are just being stupid. I really hope it's the former.

 

Alien queens kill predators when one on one and nothin they have can stop l

 

Actually, there are two instances of a Yautja killing an Alien Queen with their bare fists. Those two Predators are Dachande, and Smilely Predator. In the novels, it was explicitly stated that Dachande was known to go into Alien Hives with just his combi-staff and wristblade, and that he had taken on a Queen with his bare fist and killed it, also making mention that Drones and Queens were no challenge to him.

 

Smilely had fought a Queen with just his bare fist and wristblades. This was in Alien vs Predator: Civilized Beast. He didn't have a combi-staff, didn't have a smart disc, and had no plasma caster. Just his wristblades and his bare fist. Now we don't see the fight but we do know that Smilely comes out triumphant, battered and scarred but he beat a Queen with his bare hands.

 

I have the scans if you want to see them.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Guest force_echo]

Umm, it doesn't matter if YOU think he shouldn't have won or not, he did, and its canon. Its not recognized PIS like the BP/SS incident. He has beaten The Hulk, Iron Fist, Omega Red, Cyber (who has most of his body covered with adamantium), Firestorm, Magneto, and more. I don't think you get that Wolverine beats people far more powerful than Predator on a regular basis. The Predator is literally just another day for Wolverine.

 

I'd also like to point out that while that nuclear explosion feat was done under enhancement, Wolverine was able to survive his entire body being completely incinerated by Nitro except for his adamantium skeleton. He was fully healed in literally a 45 seconds to a minute.

[Guest bigballerju]

Wolverine also loses to people on Predator's level which Rakai is right about on that front. Yes we know Wolverine defeats people more powerful then him but he also loses to people less skilled then him.

 

Whether you like it or not Wolverine can lose in this match as well. Nobody can ignore the fact in Wolverine's history he has lost to people less skilled then him like Mystique, Punisher, and others.

[Guest force_echo]

He's also beaten both Mystique and the Punisher. In fact, I can't even remember the last time he's lost to either of those two.

[RakaiThwei]

Umm, it doesn't matter if YOU think he shouldn't have won or not, he did, and its canon. Its not recognized PIS like the BP/SS incident. He has beaten The Hulk, Iron Fist, Omega Red, Cyber (who has most of his body covered with adamantium), Firestorm, Magneto, and more. I don't think you get that Wolverine beats people far more powerful than Predator on a regular basis. The Predator is literally just another day for Wolverine.

 

Just because some things are canon doesn't necessarily make it right. I recognize that Wolverine is a a finely tuned superhero but he is not unbeatable like a lot of people are suggesting that he is. Really, he has been beaten before and there are just some wins that I just don't agree with because I just find it simply hard to believe. Especially with enemies like Hulk and Magneto. The Hulk, because of the fact that the gamma irradiated giant virutally has limitless strength and maybe even has a better healing factor than Logan does. Magneto, because here we are talking about a guy who can manipulate magnetic fields and can use Logan's own adamantium skeleton against him, and he has by rippnig the adamantium out from his skin by every pore of his body. As a matter of fact, why hadn't Magneto done that since their first encounter if Magneto is that powerful?

 

Danny Rand, well... considering that this is a guy who is essentially the Jake Dragon of the Marvel universe who has a danger sense and manipulation of chi energy to imbue his attacks-- again, I am having a hard time figuring out how Logan could've beaten him, unless of course Danny Rand just got tired from beating the snot out of Logan, and Logan just beat him by wearing him out. I mean... Spider-Man has consistently beaten Logan and he has a danger sense too, and hasn't been trained in any martial arts up until the events of Spider-Island. So... why couldn't Danny Rand?

 

Considering that this Predator in this again, and I stress, horribly written match up with little to no information to who exactly this Predator is, and what this Predator has done in his time, we're left only to assume and we're left only to pick from mediums from what certain individuals of the species have accomplished. Had I written this match, I could assure you that people would've had a hell of a lot more to work with and to consider as I usually take into account of the films and the expanded universe, the latter often ignored by a lot of people on this forum.

 

But here, considering that we have some fourteen year old kid writing the match up, we're just left with nothing but guesses to who this Predator is. We do know that he is a Bad Blood, but that's it. We don't know if he hails from the AvP continuity Predators, or the Rodriguez Continuity Predators.

 

Considering from what I know about Yautja, at least AVP Continuity, I'm working with what I know.

 

I'd also like to point out that while that nuclear explosion feat was done under enhancement, Wolverine was able to survive his entire body being completely incinerated by Nitro except for his adamantium skeleton. He was fully healed in literally a 45 seconds to a minute.

 

I think Pymp(mex) made mention of that, and I already took note of it and dismissed it because it's not under the character's natural abilities.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[comic_book_fan]

Just because some things are canon doesn't necessarily make it right. I recognize that Wolverine is a a finely tuned superhero but he is not unbeatable like a lot of people are suggesting that he is. Really, he has been beaten before and there are just some wins that I just don't agree with because I just find it simply hard to believe. Especially with enemies like Hulk and Magneto. The Hulk, because of the fact that the gamma irradiated giant virutally has limitless strength and maybe even has a better healing factor than Logan does. Magneto, because here we are talking about a guy who can manipulate magnetic fields and can use Logan's own adamantium skeleton against him, and he has by rippnig the adamantium out from his skin by every pore of his body. As a matter of fact, why hadn't Magneto done that since their first encounter if Magneto is that powerful?

 

Danny Rand, well... considering that this is a guy who is essentially the Jake Dragon of the Marvel universe who has a danger sense and manipulation of chi energy to imbue his attacks-- again, I am having a hard time figuring out how Logan could've beaten him, unless of course Danny Rand just got tired from beating the snot out of Logan, and Logan just beat him by wearing him out. I mean... Spider-Man has consistently beaten Logan and he has a danger sense too, and hasn't been trained in any martial arts up until the events of Spider-Island. So... why couldn't Danny Rand?

 

Considering that this Predator in this again, and I stress, horribly written match up with little to no information to who exactly this Predator is, and what this Predator has done in his time, we're left only to assume and we're left only to pick from mediums from what certain individuals of the species have accomplished. Had I written this match, I could assure you that people would've had a hell of a lot more to work with and to consider as I usually take into account of the films and the expanded universe, the latter often ignored by a lot of people on this forum.

 

But here, considering that we have some fourteen year old kid writing the match up, we're just left with nothing but guesses to who this Predator is. We do know that he is a Bad Blood, but that's it. We don't know if he hails from the AvP continuity Predators, or the Rodriguez Continuity Predators.

 

Considering from what I know about Yautja, at least AVP Continuity, I'm working with what I know.

 

 

 

I think Pymp(mex) made mention of that, and I already took note of it and dismissed it because it's not under the character's natural abilities.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

because dany is not as fast or as strong as spiderman or as smart.

[RakaiThwei]

because dany is not as fast or as strong as spiderman or as smart.

 

A guy who can use his chi along with the power of Shou-Lou to enhance his strength and speed to superhuman levels such as manhandling Luke Cage, to leaping over a 150 foot monster in the span of a few seconds faster than the human eye can see isn't as strong as Spider-Man or as fast... Yeah, right.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Guest bigballerju]

Wolverine can lose to people less skilled then him as well is all we are saying folks. No one here is taking anything away from Wolverine's skills and abilities. Predator is just as capable of defeating Wolverine as Wolverine is defeating Predator. In the setup for this Rumble so far the Predator has been leading the attack and has been successful. Thats already a advantage for the Predator.

[Guest Magickal]

A guy who can use his chi along with the power of Shou-Lou to enhance his strength and speed to superhuman levels such as manhandling Luke Cage, to leaping over a 150 foot monster in the span of a few seconds faster than the human eye can see isn't as strong as Spider-Man or as fast... Yeah, right.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

 

Rakai,

 

You are obviously the resisdent expert on Predators. Who do you think is MOST LIKELY to win this encounter? I ask this considering no PIS, fanboy love, or plot device crap etc. allowed. I personally think that Wolverine ultimately has the better chance, based on his unbelievable regeneration. The Marvel universe has a far more "lenient" understanding of physics than the Predator universe. I'm not saying it's a fair or even likable comparison; but, based on their individual abilities, who do you think wins the most in let's say, 1000 matches.

[RakaiThwei]

Rakai,

 

You are obviously the resisdent expert on Predators. Who do you think is MOST LIKELY to win this encounter? I ask this considering no PIS, fanboy love, or plot device crap etc. allowed. I personally think that Wolverine ultimately has the better chance, based on his unbelievable regeneration. The Marvel universe has a far more "lenient" understanding of physics than the Predator universe. I'm not saying it's a fair or even likable comparison; but, based on their individual abilities, who do you think wins the most in let's say, 1000 matches.

 

You need to be more specific about this.

 

I mean we need to consider the ranking and skill of the Predator in question here, as well as the level of strength, and the kind of armor and weapons which are given to the Predator in question.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Guest Magickal]

You need to be more specific about this.

 

I mean we need to consider the ranking and skill of the Predator in question here, as well as the level of strength, and the kind of armor and weapons which are given to the Predator in question.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

 

The setup wasn't really clear so let's say let's say an elder. Do you think they the elder Predator can overcome Wolverine's (physics-defying yet still canon) skills, experience, and regeneration without taking a single fatal strike from his (again physics-defying yet still canon) claws. Let's say this is based on 1000 similar confrontaions. For the record, I think the Predator characters are more interesting than the Wolverine character but this site isn't supposed to be a popularity/who do I like most contest( yes, I know the site is like that but I'm only talking about your and my opinion here).

[RakaiThwei]

The setup wasn't really clear so let's say let's say an elder. Do you think they the elder Predator can overcome Wolverine's (physics-defying yet still canon) skills, experience, and regeneration without taking a single fatal strike from his (again physics-defying yet still canon) claws. Let's say this is based on 1000 similar confrontaions. For the record, I think the Predator characters are more interesting than the Wolverine character but this site isn't supposed to be a popularity/who do I like most contest( yes, I know the site is like that but I'm only talking about your and my opinion here).

 

You're right, the set up isn't really clear at all to whether or not this Predator is normal in the sense that he could be a "Blooded" in rank, which is your average ranked Predator who has average level strength 3-5 tons, or any higher rank which would more than likely have the better equipment such as armor and weapons, and of course the physical strength as Veterans and Elders are stronger than your average Predator.

 

If I had to guess... and this is a guess...

 

An Elder would have a fairly good chance as long as an Elder would play it smart. Wolverine's biggest asset is his Adamantium skeleton and his healing factor.

 

If we are talking about a Bad Blooded Elder, then Logan would be in even more of a fight. But asking for a mathematical outcome is something which Deadliest Warrior is known for, and I don't have the software which Deadliest Warrior is known to have. We also need to consider tactics, as the weapons and how they use them.

 

Considering that at your scenario, the idea of a Bad Blood Elder vs Wolverine.. If I had to guess... And this a guess... So don't take my word for this as definitive.

 

Would perhaps be maybe.... 58% chance. And this is taking account to a Bad Blood Elder who hasn't learned any fighting styles from human warriors, and has only the top of the line blades and armor, and maybe the standard shoulder plasma caster. Logan, considering his healing factor and skeleton, and his skill might have a 54% chance.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Guest Magickal]

You're right, the set up isn't really clear at all to whether or not this Predator is normal in the sense that he could be a "Blooded" in rank, which is your average ranked Predator who has average level strength 3-5 tons, or any higher rank which would more than likely have the better equipment such as armor and weapons, and of course the physical strength as Veterans and Elders are stronger than your average Predator.

 

If I had to guess... and this is a guess...

 

An Elder would have a fairly good chance as long as an Elder would play it smart. Wolverine's biggest asset is his Adamantium skeleton and his healing factor.

 

If we are talking about a Bad Blooded Elder, then Logan would be in even more of a fight. But asking for a mathematical outcome is something which Deadliest Warrior is known for, and I don't have the software which Deadliest Warrior is known to have. We also need to consider tactics, as the weapons and how they use them.

 

Considering that at your scenario, the idea of a Bad Blood Elder vs Wolverine.. If I had to guess... And this a guess... So don't take my word for this as definitive.

 

Would perhaps be maybe.... 58% chance. And this is taking account to a Bad Blood Elder who hasn't learned any fighting styles from human warriors, and has only the top of the line blades and armor, and maybe the standard shoulder plasma caster.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

 

Cool. I was just curious about your ultimate prediction. The Predator, as a character, is one of the best for fan fiction-types to put against popular characters.

[Guest Djgambrell]

Better than I expected to hear from you Rakai.

[Guest force_echo]

First of all, spider-Man does not consistently beat Wolverine. I can think of at least two sparring matches where Spider-Man has beaten Wolverine. Like the match in Amazing Spider-Man # 338. Second, Wolverine beats Iron Fist through sheer skill, Magneto through stealth, and Hulk through his sheer determination and durability.

 

Also, you can't just discount a perfectly valid feat because YOU don't think it falls within the character's "natural abilities". Wolverine has many such instances. He's been thrown in the ocean with his throat cut out, had his throat cut out a second time and literally healed in a second, was hit by a freaking B-2 bomber going at least Mach 2 with little to no effect, etc. etc. Either way, you still haven't shown any proof that the Predator stands much of a chance.

[Guest D-Lyte]

Heh, over a decade after the Back Issue was created, Wolvie vs. a Predator still causes heated debate.

[Guest bigballerju]

Yup that was a good back issue and if I remember correctly the Predator won actually. I think we need to really shine some light on the back issues for newer people who don't know about them.

[RakaiThwei]

I can think of at least two sparring matches where Spider-Man has beaten Wolverine.

 

Stop right there. Having Wolverine defeat Spider-Man in a SPARRING match is not so much of a good argument to bring up. Because in sparring there is a level of control that both contenders would have to actually remain within. Being a former martial artist (and still practicing within my own regmine) I can tell you that sparring is NOTHING like a real life situation where your life is in danger. In sparring, there is a comfort zone. Some have a wider range of that comfort zone to their own capabilities, and some have a smaller range of that comfort zone.

 

I mean sure Spider-Man could throw a punch at Wolverine, but considering the metal which is in Wolverine's bones, I'm pretty Spider-Man would end up risking a sprained wrist, or possibly an injured hand. But that is a sparring contest, and neither are actually going out to kill each other.

 

If you have ever taken a martial arts class, and been in sparring matches, there is always that level of control. In a real fight, there is no control.

 

Second, Wolverine beats Iron Fist through sheer skill, Magneto through stealth, and Hulk through his sheer determination and durability.

 

That's good and all. Iron Fist is perhaps a maybe... Magneto through stealth, I could probably see it but still considering that this is a man of magnetism who could feel out minerals within Logan's body, I'm still not seeing it... As for the Hulk.... No... No, no, no, no, no, no.... Determination is a valuable asset to have in a fight, and so is durability but really, considering what the Hulk is and what he has done... I'm not convinced Wolverine should've won those fights with the Hulk, considering that the green giant is supposed to be this nigh unstoppable force of rage.

 

And in one recent Wolverine vs Hulk comic, from what I can remember was World War Hulk, the Hulk had rightfully beaten Wolverine by actually punching his head so hard, that Wolverine's brain was scrambled and that's how Hulk had beaten him.

 

Also, you can't just discount a perfectly valid feat because YOU don't think it falls within the character's "natural abilities". Wolverine has many such instances. He's been thrown in the ocean with his throat cut out, had his throat cut out a second time and literally healed in a second, was hit by a freaking B-2 bomber going at least Mach 2 with little to no effect, etc. etc. Either way, you still haven't shown any proof that the Predator stands much of a chance.

 

As far as Logan's abilities go, I do recognize that he has a fast healing factor. I do recognize that he is a trained swordsman, and I do recognize that he is without a shadow of a doubt a great fighter and warrior. I have not taken away any of that but really, considering the abilities that some of the enemies he has fought, he shouldn't have won those fights-- and this is talking from a fighter's perspective, not a comic book geek (I use the term lovingly) perspective. Being a former martial artist and fighter, I can say that every contender in any battle has a chance, no matter how small. So I apply this to whatever I debate in.

 

What is it that you are exactly looking for with a Predator? Especially a Predator whom, the original poster of this match has not even bothered to specify?

 

All I can give you is what the general species can do and the select few who have reached a rare potential can and have accomplished. We're talking about a generalized, generic and not even fleshed out Predator character. So what is it that you're asking, Sid as far as THIS Predator, in THIS set up, is concerned?

 

Heh, over a decade after the Back Issue was created, Wolvie vs. a Predator still causes heated debate.

 

I generally try to avoid getting in Wolverine vs Predator debates, or even creating Wolverine vs Predator debates because really... no one really gets anywhere. No one, absoloutely no one gets anywhere and it's frustrating.

 

-Rakai'Thwei

[Guest force_echo]

What am I asking for? Any indication that the Predator in this matchup could win this fight, you know, kinda what ANYONE in a debate asks for. So far, you haven't given me that. Again, it doesn't matter if you don't think Wolverine should have won those fights for whatever reason, he did, and he does these kinds of feats on a regular basis, so its not PIS. Predator is just fighting someone way beyond his league.

 

Wolverine and Spider-Man have never fought outside of a sparring environment. So the instances you're referring to where Spider-Man beat wolverine are rendered moot by your own point as well. Besides, spider-Man could easily beat a Predator anyway.