Guest Zreth Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 The primary antagonists of each Final Fantasy versus everything in Starwars not including the Deathstar or any spaceship. Final FantasyJechtSephirothGarlandThe Emporer(With the army of Palamecia)Kefka PallazzoXandeUltimeciaExDeathKujaZemus/Golbez(All are at around their mid level of power.) Star Wars/HaloAll notable charactersStrong Units(Jedi,Sith,Elites and Spartans II): 1000 eachMid Units(Spartan III, Mandos,Clones,Brutes,Marines etc.): 2000 eachWeak Units(Primitives like Gungans, Grunts etc.): 4000 eachVehicles, animals and equipment: They may contiue to gain.No Flood I'll put up stuff about the Final Fantasy characters later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 What stage are the FF Villains at? Because some of them at end game are Literally God-like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zreth Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 What stage are the FF Villains at? Because some of them at end game are Literally God-like...I already stated that they where all around mid level. I chose mid level because all the others become godly powerful (Except for Xande who gets to be at max. And Zemus who gets Golbez seeing he isn't really that much of a fighter. I'm gonna add Golbez now.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 I already stated that they where all around mid level. I chose mid level because all the others become godly powerful (Except for Xande who gets to be at max. And Zemus who gets Golbez seeing he isn't really that much of a fighter. I'm gonna add Golbez now.)Ok, didn't see that... Also what are the requirements for "Notable Characters"? Anyone who's Named, and/or featured in a book? Because, from just the Spartans alone I can name about a dozen or more major characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zreth Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Ok, didn't see that... Also what are the requirements for "Notable Characters"? Anyone who's Named, and/or featured in a book? Because, from just the Spartans alone I can name about a dozen or more major characters.Yeah pretty much everyone that's been named. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ruinus Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 IGG-8 when he downloaded himself into the Death Star II shows up, and blows up the planet. Win?* *Not a serious comment.EDIT: Oh, I saw your OP set up which doesn't include spaceships. Star Wars?Game mechanics aside, bullets from 1,000+ people are not going to be good for their health. Oh wait, so there are vehicles allowed for the Star Wars/Halo side? So, they win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Ok, as the biggest voice of Halo here I will start marshaling their forces... I'll be adding to this list as I go, but here are a couple off the top of my head: Spartan II'sJohn-117 (aka: Master Chief) Spartan II leaderLinda-058, Spartan Sniper, very legendary accuracyKelly-087, Fastest Spartan of allFred-104, Spartan Second in command, actually better than Chief but doesn't like the attentionGrace-093, Spartan Demolitions ExpertWill-043, Spartan... killed a Hunter with his bare hands...Li-008, Spartan E.V.A. SpecialistAnton-044, Spartan Tracking SpecialistJai-006, Leader of Gray Team, has renegade tendency'sAdriana-111, scouting specialist, member of Gray Team, has renegade tendency'sMike-XXX, Spartan Tech specialist, member of Gray Team, has renegade tendency'sKurt-051, leader and trainer of the Spartan III'sJosh-029, skilled in leadership, electronics and many other fieldsSam-034, Biggest Spartan and probably the strongest Spartan III'sLucy-B091, Survivor of Suicide Mission, trainer of later Spartan III'sTom-B292, Survivor of Suicide Mission, trainer of later Spartan III's MarinesSergeant Major A. J. Johnson, one Badass Marine, and a Spartan I to bootCPO Franklin Mendez, Badass drill instructor to S-II's and S-III's, possibly a Spartan IStaff Sergeant Nolan Byrne, Veteran of Harvest and possibly Spartan ICorporal Harland, Veteran marine and survivor of the Sigma Octanus MassacreFirst Lieutenant Melissa McKay, Veteran ODST, saved Earth from first Flood ThreatStaff Sergeant Marvin Mobuto, First Reclaimer Candidate in Alpha Halo, made it damn far, Very Badass MarineCorporal Locklear, ODST, survivor of Alpha Halo, nuff saidGunnery Sergeant Pete Stacker, Survived Alpha Halo, both battles of Earth, Delta Halo, and the Ark... nuff saidGunnery Sergeant Reynolds, told off a Brute while being choked by said brute, lived to tell about it CovenantThel 'Vadam (The Arbiter), Covenant counterpart to the Chief, nuff saidRipa'Moramee, Earlier Arbiter, one of the very few Duel Plasma Sword wieldersRtas 'Vadum, Badass Elite, Survived Halo 2 and 3, lead Separatist forces against Truth at the Battle of ArkImperial Admiral Xytan 'Jar Wattinree, Rank in the Covenant is by Merit, and he holds the highest rank there is... Tartarus, Chieftain of the Brute Race, has a nearly impervious shield, and the Fist of Rukt a superior Grav HammerZuka 'Zamamee, relentlessly tracked the Chief on Alpha Halo, survived a couple fights before his luck ran outSesa'Refumee, Heretic leader of pre-schism seperatists Forerunner Constructs343 Guilty Spark, took several Spartan Lasers to the "Face" to take him down... had a nasty beam weapon as well2401 Penitent Tangent, same design as Guilty Spark Ok... So I may have gotten carried away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LegendX Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Are we using SW groups from all time periods? For example are stormtrooper and clone troopers seperate or counted as one? GA and Old Republic, Sith Empire and Brotherhood, etc.?Also are we using literally every Sith/Jedi or just named ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zreth Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Anyone that has been named at least once anywhere counts and this is for all time. I think this match is possible seeing that these characters have shown to be able to bullet time, take hits from bullets without harm hack apart buildings with no effort and guys like Zemus can take control of army worth of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LegendX Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Well I honestly know zero about FF. I do know this... Several Jedi/Sith through history have been known to use various form of battle meditation, allowing them to bolster morale, determination and even coordination in there allies while sapping the will and energy. Imagine Spartans, as described by Skirmisher, being further augmented through battle meditation.Additionally a few have been know to have precognitive abilities allowing them to see years, even centuries into the future. Darth Kraya was able to predict the fall of the Old Republic and of the Mandolorian Clans. Mace Windu and Darth Caedus(Jacen Solo) both mastered the art of Shatterpoint, the ability to perceive the weak point in an object or situation and know how to strike it so as to shatter it. Sometimes literally. On a side note Jacen was also able to "travel time" and view past events, though it required that he know where and when to look to really be affective. That my contribution for know. I'm just gonna wait for more descriptions of FF's abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zreth Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Well I honestly know zero about FF. I do know this... Several Jedi/Sith through history have been known to use various form of battle meditation, allowing them to bolster morale, determination and even coordination in there allies while sapping the will and energy. Imagine Spartans, as described by Skirmisher, being further augmented through battle meditation.Additionally a few have been know to have precognitive abilities allowing them to see years, even centuries into the future. Darth Kraya was able to predict the fall of the Old Republic and of the Mandolorian Clans. Mace Windu and Darth Caedus(Jacen Solo) both mastered the art of Shatterpoint, the ability to perceive the weak point in an object or situation and know how to strike it so as to shatter it. Sometimes literally. On a side note Jacen was also able to "travel time" and view past events, though it required that he know where and when to look to really be affective. That my contribution for know. I'm just gonna wait for more descriptions of FF's abilities.Okay so they can enhance all of their soldiers to be better but I don't think that would be much use to a person who can cut buildings or someone who can backhand just about anything that comes his way or someone who can simply manipulate and take control of his opponents. Ultimecia should cover all the time abilities. For the shatterpoint abillity i don't think it would be that useful against be crushed by a orb of gravity so Golbez has that covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zreth Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Ok, as the biggest voice of Halo here I will start marshaling their forces... I'll be adding to this list as I go, but here are a couple off the top of my head: Spartan II'sJohn-117 (aka: Master Chief) Spartan II leaderLinda-058, Spartan Sniper, very legendary accuracyNot really gonna work if the bullet dosen't hurt them.Kelly-087, Fastest Spartan of all Has she reached light speed? no she has not.Fred-104, Spartan Second in command, actually better than Chief but doesn't like the attentionGrace-093, Spartan Demolitions ExpertI assume the actually have to hurt them to be effective.Will-043, Spartan... killed a Hunter with his bare hands...Impressive but Garland wiped away all the summons in his world with his bare hands. Like to see Will wrestle a dragon.Li-008, Spartan E.V.A. SpecialistAnton-044, Spartan Tracking SpecialistOkay he can find them what happens next?Jai-006, Leader of Gray Team, has renegade tendency'sAdriana-111, scouting specialist, member of Gray Team, has renegade tendency'sMike-XXX, Spartan Tech specialist, member of Gray Team, has renegade tendency'sKurt-051, leader and trainer of the Spartan III'sJosh-029, skilled in leadership, electronics and many other fieldsSam-034, Biggest Spartan and probably the strongestDragon wrestler? Spartan III'sLucy-B091, Survivor of Suicide Mission, trainer of later Spartan III'sTom-B292, Survivor of Suicide Mission, trainer of later Spartan III's MarinesSergeant Major A. J. Johnson, one Badass Marine, and a Spartan I to bootCPO Franklin Mendez, Badass drill instructor to S-II's and S-III's, possibly a Spartan IStaff Sergeant Nolan Byrne, Veteran of Harvest and possibly Spartan ICorporal Harland, Veteran marine and survivor of the Sigma Octanus MassacreFirst Lieutenant Melissa McKay, Veteran ODST, saved Earth from first Flood ThreatStaff Sergeant Marvin Mobuto, First Reclaimer Candidate in Alpha Halo, made it damn far, Very Badass MarineCorporal Locklear, ODST, survivor of Alpha Halo, nuff saidGunnery Sergeant Pete Stacker, Survived Alpha Halo, both battles of Earth, Delta Halo, and the Ark... nuff saidGunnery Sergeant Reynolds, told off a Brute while being choked by said brute, lived to tell about itCan he tell off Jecht while he uses his bottomless pool of strength to pop his head CovenantThel 'Vadam (The Arbiter), Covenant counterpart to the Chief, nuff saidRipa'Moramee, Earlier Arbiter, one of the very few Duel Plasma Sword wieldersCool two swords but how about one really big one that can cut through buildings.Rtas 'Vadum, Badass Elite, Survived Halo 2 and 3, lead Separatist forces against Truth at the Battle of ArkImperial Admiral Xytan 'Jar Wattinree, Rank in the Covenant is by Merit, and he holds the highest rank there is... Tartarus, Chieftain of the Brute Race, has a nearly impervious shield, and the Fist of Rukt a superior Grav HammerCan he survive having a mountain thrown on him?Zuka 'Zamamee, relentlessly tracked the Chief on Alpha Halo, survived a couple fights before his luck ran outI give him one against anyone of these guys in FF.Sesa'Refumee, Heretic leader of pre-schism seperatists Forerunner Constructs343 Guilty Spark, took several Spartan Lasers to the "Face" to take him down... had a nasty beam weapon as wellThat dosen't really sound that impressive.2401 Penitent Tangent, same design as Guilty Spark Ok... So I may have gotten carried away...I didn't respond to all of them but you should get the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ruinus Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Sephiroth's ability to cut buildings in half doesn't translate into the ability to shrug off bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zreth Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Sephiroth's ability to cut buildings in half doesn't translate into the ability to shrug off bullets.No it dosen't but I'm pretty sure surviving a bullet does Or maybe recovering after being stabbed all the way through the body and the destruction of his spine then being literally thrown out of a city does too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 No it dosen't but I'm pretty sure surviving a bullet does Or maybe recovering after being stabbed all the way through the body and the destruction of his spine then being literally thrown out of a city does too.But there is the fact that the Sniper Rifle doesn't really fire any ordinary bullet... The Halo Sniper Rifle is classed as an Anti-Material Rifle... basically something designed to take out Heavily armoured vehicles like Tanks and Self Propelled Artillery... Imagine Sephy getting one of them to the face from 3 klicks away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zreth Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 But there is the fact that the Sniper Rifle doesn't really fire any ordinary bullet... The Halo Sniper Rifle is classed as an Anti-Material Rifle... basically something designed to take out Heavily armoured vehicles like Tanks and Self Propelled Artillery... Imagine Sephy getting one of them to the face from 3 klicks away!Yes but if Sephiroth where to be shot by the bullet or the bullet is to be shot at Sephiroth what stops Sephiroth from doging it or blocking it because he has gone faster then the speed of sound and moved around the speed of light before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Yes but if Sephiroth where to be shot by the bullet or the bullet is to be shot at Sephiroth what stops Sephiroth from doging it or blocking it because he has gone faster then the speed of sound and moved around the speed of light before.The simple fact that:1) his concentration would be elsewhere as he decimates the Star Wars and Halo troops 2) the Sniper Rifle has a muzzle velocity of 1450m/s... that's about Mach 43) Linda is very good at hiding and camoflage, she also uses various suppressors on her rifle to make it so that there is next to no way of knowing you've been hit until your dead... So unless Sephy can See the bullet like Neo, I really don't think he'd be able to dodge or evade... As well, you may say that Linda wouldn't be able to track him at his high speed movement. Well, he doesn't move at those speeds all the time, like all villains he usually stops to gloat in his own way... As well, Linda has killed the pilots out of three Banshee fliers from about 3 Km with ricochets, while hanging upside down, and firing her rifle one handed... If anyone were to hit him it would be her... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ruinus Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 and moved around the speed of light before. This leads me to believe that you don't know what c actually is. Seriously, Sephiroth wank never dies does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 This leads me to believe that you don't know what c actually is. Seriously, Sephiroth wank never dies does it?Quite right, when has he ever gone Light Speed? He may be fast but not that fast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zreth Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 The simple fact that:1) his concentration would be elsewhere as he decimates the Star Wars and Halo troops 2) the Sniper Rifle has a muzzle velocity of 1450m/s... that's about Mach 43) Linda is very good at hiding and camoflage, she also uses various suppressors on her rifle to make it so that there is next to no way of knowing you've been hit until your dead... So unless Sephy can See the bullet like Neo, I really don't think he'd be able to dodge or evade... As well, you may say that Linda wouldn't be able to track him at his high speed movement. Well, he doesn't move at those speeds all the time, like all villains he usually stops to gloat in his own way... As well, Linda has killed the pilots out of three Banshee fliers from about 3 Km with ricochets, while hanging upside down, and firing her rifle one handed... If anyone were to hit him it would be her...Yes but what about the more aware ones like Exdeath or Zemus they can warn him with telepathy of a little person hiding and preparing too shoot him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zreth Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Quite right, when has he ever gone Light Speed? He may be fast but not that fast!In point of some cutscenes and in gameplay you can actually see only that of a beam of light for his trail for about a half second time. his hands most positively move at light speed for many of his physical attacks has shown him in a single have millions of light slashes within the time of the motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ruinus Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Quite right, when has he ever gone Light Speed? He may be fast but not that fast! I blame animu and mangos and their habit of showing speed by simply making the character 'disappear' or turn into lines. People see that and go "Well, I can't see him, so therefore c." Yes but what about the more aware ones like Exdeath or Zemus they can warn him with telepathy of a little person hiding and preparing too shoot him. The message is compiled, sent out, received and understood faster than the blaster bolt or bullet reaches it's target? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zreth Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 This leads me to believe that you don't know what c actually is. Seriously, Sephiroth wank never dies does it?I haven't lied yet or made stuff up so wheres this "wank" you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zreth Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I blame animu and mangos and their habit of showing speed by simply making the character 'disappear' or turn into lines. People see that and go "Well, I can't see him, so therefore c."Well yes but even if you take away the possibillity of light speed then it still is a impressive speed feat to move a considerable distance in a very short amount of time or becoming what would seem to be nothing but a flash of light. The message is compiled, sent out, received and understood faster than the blaster bolt or bullet reaches it's target?Okay you got me there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ruinus Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 In point of some cutscenes and in gameplay you can actually see only that of a beam of light for his trail for about a half second time. his hands most positively move at light speed for many of his physical attacks has shown him in a single have millions of light slashes within the time of the motion. ^This.People look at stuff like this, and go "Hello c!!!" Dude those are stylistic choices. If he was really moving that fast, where are the sonic booms and massive shockwaves he would make as his arms move through the atmosphere at those speeds? Those flashes of light are generated by what? His sword annihilating the atmosphere as it moves through it? No violent and explosive heating of the atmosphere around him? He can move at light speed, yet doesn't have the reflexes to keep up with Cloud, who is much slower? What, his skin is made of supermaterial so that they don't rip apart his joints as they move at those speeds? I haven't lied yet or made stuff up so wheres this "wank" you speak of? The wank is that you think Sephiroth moves at c, something which you back up only with "flashy" moves. Post a video of Sephiroth breaking the light speed barrier and then I will believe you. Then come up for reasons why none of the above occurs in those videos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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