Guest DeoJusto Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 “You wish to proceed with testing the specimens Dr. Plot?†“Why of course Dr. Straightman.†“And you intend to do this by pitting it against massive beasts you bought off an Andromeda black market?†The two scientists sat in the small observation room, lights flashing, and computers beeping around them. Through a small window they could see two aliens snipping at each other. Plot and Straightman turned to each either and were not watching the creatures very intently. “Yes I do,†said Dr. Plot. “But why? To what scientific purpose?†“To the scientific purpose of… a hypothesis of…survival of the fittest?†“You just like making animals fight each other, don’t you?†“What? No. Well, yes. But don’t be so judgmental. You act like it’s a crime.†“It should be. Were-beasts, aliens; it’s like dog fighting for super villains.†A loud siren interrupts them. Red lights flash overhead. Dr. Plot turns to a computer panel and looks across the screen. Dr. Straightman leans over his shoulder. “Did somebody light up in the lavatories again?†“No, that isn’t a fire alarm. That’s the giant monsters have escaped their cages alarm.†“We have one of those?†“Oh yes,†Dr. Plot says, “I find it comes very useful. Let’s see… it says six have escaped†“Did they burn through the floor with their acidic blood?†“No…I left the door open again. Here, I know what I’ll do… there, now the other ones have been let out. They’ll fight each other and leave us alone.†A bright light flares behind them, not an electronic light, but a match. They turn. A man in a tweed suit lights a brass pipe with the match he just struck. His white hair tangles down his back in knots. He puffs, and glares at the two scientists with his eye, the one not covered by an eyepatch that is. “Aye lads. They’ll fight. But you won’t escape them. When the beast roams, no man be safe, no matter how much he guards himself in science and reason. The beast knows nothing of reason…†Dr. Straightman whispers. “How did he get here?†“It’s a werewolf story, doctor; there needs to be a villager in a tweed suit, smoking a pipe, and warning the more rational, skeptic characters about the incredible danger that awaits them. That’s just good procedure.†“But how did he get here?†The one eyed man in tweed shoots up in front of his face. They stand uncomfortably close. “Aw, ye doubt do ye? Ye have been warned, ye cannot escape now. Once the fog be on the moors, then the night belongs to the beast.†“But, we’re on a spaceship…†Dr. Plot elbows him. “Shhhh.†“But luckily,†says the old man, “there be ways to kill the creature. First, you must-“ A spined alien tongue pierces through him and out his remaining eye. Blood spatters across the scientists. They can barely mutter “oh sh-†before they are impaled on its tail like shrimp on a skewer. ----------------Two rounds. Round one: on the spaceship. Round two: the spaceship crashes onto the fog drenched moors of England and the remaining beasts fight out there. Underworld werewolves are my standard, but go by whatever you think the acceptable werewolf brand is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callisto Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Learn More AboutWerewolfRead more about Werewolf at WikipediaOfficial Site: Public Domain Links: Wikipedia Wikia Wikia The XenomorphsRead more about The Xenomorphs at WikipediaOfficial Site: 20th Century Fox Links: Wikipedia: Xenomorphs Essays on the Xenomorph's biology 20th Century Fox's Official 'Alien' Site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenerack5 Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 I imagine that when a wolf wounds a xenomorph their blood dissolves the wolfs limbs. Even if they win they lose. Hilarious set up though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kainboa Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 I imagine that when a wolf wounds a xenomorph their blood dissolves the wolfs limbs. Even if they win they lose. Hilarious set up though. However there's also the thought that depending on which version of werewolf this is, the only way to permanently harm them, is to use silver, which means that various limbs that are dissolved by acid, will simply grow back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deojusto Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Getting killed by silver is pretty werewolfy. But they can be killed in other ways, via decapitation, or fire I believe. Also, the aliens could cripple the werewolves and eventually they'd transform back into humans, and be easily killable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 That, again, depends on the version of Werewolves. There are versions of werewolves that, literally, cannot be killed/damaged permanently by anything other than Silver or another were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deojusto Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Like I said, I'm going with Underworld werewolves as a benchmark. They can be killed by silver, but enough physical dismemberment can also do the job, like how the original werewolf died in the second movie. Use whatever benchmark you want to make your choice as long as they represent what you think of as the main conception of a werewolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Okay setup and I am undecided on who would win. A Lycan is powerful enough to do some damage to a Xenomorph but the same can be said for the Xenomorph. A Lycan speed wise is fast but not as fast as the wolves in Twilight or Vampire Diaries. As far as killing them the Lycans can take a good amount of silver bullets before dying depending on how big and strong the Lycan is. On the Xenomorph side its not proven that its acid won't do some serious damage to a Lycan. The acid while it may not kill the Lycan for good will do enough damage to keep the Lycan from delivering a killing blow due to the burning which will cause it pain. That will give the Xenomorph enough time to kill the Lycan while its in pain from the acid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenerack5 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Although silver is a werewolfs kryptonite I've never seen a version that could survive being ripped apart by an opponent with similar strength. Also though they can heel from almost any injury I've never seen them regrow whole limbs. Even if they could if they really tore into the xenomorph it would get all over them and they would either melt or be dissolved into pieces. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 As has been stated, it depends on the Werewolf, but if we're using Underworlds Werewolves then the Xenomorph wins easily. A Van Helsing Werewolf or even a Dog Soldiers Werewolf could give a Xeno a hard time, but they would probably get melted in the end anyway, seeing as close combat is their only option and the Xeno's have acid blood, so they don't properly win. While i can think of several Werewolves that could match or surpass a Xeno in terms of strength, speed and intelligence, i can't think of a kind of Werewolf that could survive being drenched in the Xeno's acid blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leroypowell3 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I'm going to go with the Xenomorphs. The arguments that their acid blood will keep the werewolfs from finishing them off sounds like the most logical outcome of a fight between these two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhenomenalOne Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 This set up was hilarious. Wasn't crazy long because it didn't have to be. Short, sweet, hilarious, and to the point. A from me sir. Xeno FTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamagingRob Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Interesting match. I have to go with the Aliens, also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Actually, what about a werewolf from Skyrim or World of Darkness? Surely those kinds of werewolves could give a Xenomorph a hard time, and even kill one..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Actually, what about a werewolf from Skyrim or World of Darkness? Surely those kinds of werewolves could give a Xenomorph a hard time, and even kill one..? From Skyrim, not so much. The Skyrim werewolves aren't particularly impressive. For the WoD werewolves, it would depend on what kind of werewolf we're talking about. I can easily think of builds for WoD werewolves that would lose badly against Xenos, but I can just as easily think of builds for WoD werewolves that would win without breaking a sweat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 I love them Garous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Man Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Amazing set up. Brevity is the mark of the wise! Anyways, I'm on Team Xenomorphs on this one. The werewolves are a formidable threat, yes, but they've been taken down by much weaker foes in the past. I prefer not to use "Only Silver Can Kill Me" Werewolves, because frankly, those wouldn't be very sportsmanshiplike. Using regular Underworld styled Werewolves, they kill a couple aliens here and there, but the Xenos are just too quick. Too deadly. Xenos ftw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deojusto Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Thanks for all the compliments on the match write-up. Every time I get a thumbs up from Marvel I've know I've done all right. It seems most people are going xenomorph. I voted for them too, but in hindsight, the werewolves have the same speed and more strength, but would have to be smart enough not to drench themselves in acid. If I had to do it all over again I'd switch, but it would still be close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenerack5 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Xeno's aren't that impressive. Their ability seems to vary and they can be pretty stupid and easily killed by a human with a gun. The acid blood is their ace in the hole though most wereolves, even the smarter characters, aren't known for thinking before they act in a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Xeno's aren't that impressive. That is where you are very wrong. The Xenomorphs are a biological weapon that can adapt to literally any environment, and they can thrive wherever they are. They can even thrive in an atmosphere where the air is completely unbreathable, and they also are known to function perfectly fine even in the vaccuum of space as seen in the original ALIEN film when it had been shot out of the airlock. Under most circumstances, most organisms would have their blood boiling and literally freeze to death and explode without a space suit, but the Xenomorph in question actually didn't succumb to it, suggesting that these things are HIGHLY adaptable. Their ability seems to vary and they can be pretty stupid Their abilities seem to vary based upon the host which they have gestated inside of. The Xenomorph can have a wide range of abilities depending on the host in question which has been the victim for a Facehugger. We do know that the Xenomorph absorbs a small amount of genetic make up from their host, in turn giving it some physical resemblance and even downright some of the abilities of the host in question. We already know that the human born Xenomorph is a specimen which is extremely dangerous, and we also know that PredAliens are even far more dangerous than the human gestated Xenomorphs. As for them being stupid, the Xenomorphs have been shown to have a fairly high intelligence. In the original ALIEN, the Xenomorph actually used stealth like tactics to get to it's victims and immediately go away with them. This was also seen again to a lesser extent when Grid Alien had exhibited some form of intelligence when fighting against both Chopper and Celtic Predator, dispatching the former with relative ease and of course the latter with much more difficulty. Another Alien which showed incredibly intelligence was Specimen 6, the Alien in Rebellion's Alien vs Predator 3 game. This was an Alien that started out as a Warrior but she had been noted by Dr. Graves that she was intelligent when she had tried to make her escape from the pod labs. Even before she was fully grown, as a chestburster, she had broken out of her host's chest, slithered back inside and waited until the scientist were gone so she could escape. Later on, it was then revealed that Specimen 6 was infact destined to become a new Queen of the hive when the Ancient Empress had been killed in a fire. Alien Queens are also intelligent, this was seen in ALIENS when the Xenomorph Queen, perhaps only two weeks old at the most and this was a Young Queen-- had learned how to operate an elevator, and she had also managed to sneak onboard the Dropship and back onto the Sulaco. She also recognized that her eggs were in danger and even commanded her drones to back off from Ellen Ripley. So she is intelligent for problem solving and survival instincts. Also considering that Queens have a telepathic link with the Hive over all, she can give them commands on how to better deal with her enemies. Xenomorphs aren't as stupid as most people make them out to be. easily killed by a human with a gun. Although this much is true, blame James Cameron for that one... The acid blood is their ace in the hole though most wereolves, even the smarter characters, aren't known for thinking before they act in a fight. The Xenomorphs have a lot more than what you're giving them credit for. For one, their claws are extremely sharp and are extremely hard. Almost as hard a diamond as I can recall about such a mention from the novels and comics of course, and then there is the fact that these creatures also have a telepathic hive mind. What one Xenomorph knows, the rest will also know and the group will better react to the situation. And then there is the fact that the Xenomorphs also have a strong neurotoxin in the barb of their tails to better incapacitate their prey with. If a Werewolf gets struck by the tail, chances are that the neurotoxin will eventually do the beast in and allow for the Xenomorph to drag it back to the Hive for implantation. Strength wise... it's really hard to say where a Xenomorph that was gestated inside of a Human is when compared to a Werewolf. But there are some hybrids out there that are far... far stronger than any Werewolf. PredAliens being an example, and of course there is the Jockey-Xenomorph... and I am not talking about the Deacon from Prometheus. Really, if you're going to act like you know something about the Xenomorphs, at least show more knowledge than what the average movie go'er knows about these creatures. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenerack5 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Whoa I just slid out of my chair. Oh god my ass was just chewed off. RakaiThewei most of the stealth tactics and intelligence feats you described could have been performed by most animals and one only has to see them running directly at their prey and being shot to know they can make dumb mistakes. They have shown impressive ambush tactics but I doubht those will work on werewolves given their sharp sences and that their mind is at human level intelligence but with animalistic aggression. The hive mind thing is an advantage but some werewolves have shown similar abilities such as the Quilette tribe or the wolves from the TV adaptation of Teen Wolf which has stated that wolves are much stronger in a pack. It doesn't state what these xeno's gestated inside of but i assume its the standard human gestation type. A Queen would be an an even bigger equaliser than the acid blood though.As for specimen 6 wasn't every other xeno in that game fodder for marines and Yautjas. Grid didnt show much higher thinking than "A predator, kill it." She won because her blood ate through the net which just shows that Celtic Predator didn't think that move through.As I said before I dont know which is stronger but the tactical advantage of acidic blood wins it for the aliens and don't say I dont know what I'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Whoa I just slid out of my chair. Oh god my ass was just chewed off. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. RakaiThewei most of the stealth tactics and intelligence feats you described could have been performed by most animals and one only has to see them running directly at their prey and being shot to know they can make dumb mistakes. They have shown impressive ambush tactics but I doubht those will work on werewolves given their sharp sences and that their mind is at human level intelligence but with animalistic aggression. Name me an animal that can actually visualize a working elevator, understand it's working purpose and application, and even understanding to how it actually works and use it. Name me any animal. Any. Be it reptile, mammalian, marsupual or even arthropod. Any animal on this planet that has the intelligence level to work an elevator, and even be intelligent enough to sneak onboard a UD4L Cheyenne Dropship, and maintain being hidden until the right moment was there for it to strike a Colonial Marine issued Synthetic. As for the Werewolves, it depends on what version of Werewolf we are talking about. Considering that Deojusto has said that these are the Underworld type of Werewolves, this is a double edged sword here. Only the Werewolves who are centuries old enough have actually managed to maintain control over their Lycan forms and retain their intelligence. Newer lycans who have been recently turned DO NOT have control over their werewolf forms, and they do not retain their intelligence. Most Werewolves, especially in old folklore don't even retain their intelligence at all whatsoever. There are a few however that do, namely such as the Garou of the World of Darkness lore, and of course the Lycans from Underworld if we are to count those as well. But for the most part, from the movies I have seen with Werewolves and looking into ancient folklore, they don't retain much intelligence. As the poster said, it depends on WHICH version of the Werewolf we think is appropriate. The hive mind thing is an advantage but some werewolves have shown similar abilities such as the Quilette tribe or the wolves from the TV adaptation of Teen Wolf which has stated that wolves are much stronger in a pack. It doesn't state what these xeno's gestated inside of but i assume its the standard human gestation type. A Queen would be an an even bigger equaliser than the acid blood though. The Quileute Tribe from Twilight are not even Werewolves as made mention in the book. They've even said that they are not Werewolves, as their transformation isn't caused by the Lunar phases, nor where they bitten to become Werewolves. They're actually a different species altogether known as Shapeshifters and perhaps should be discounted. However, if you are going by the movies, there might be some evidence that suggest that they are Werewolves, but if you look at the source material-- the books, it ultimately states that the Quileute tribe are not at all Werewolves. Real Werewolves DO exist within the Twilight universe, but they are nearly extinct and are refered to as Children of the Moon... what their capabilities are, no one has seen as Stephanie Meyer has not even botehred in writing out what the Children of the Moon could do. So in short, Quilette Tribe are not Werewolves and should not be counted: "Shape-shifters, often mistaken as werewolves, are descended from the ancient spirit warriors of the Quileute. Back then, warriors and chiefs could leave their bodies and wander as spirits, communicate with animals, and hear each other's thoughts. However, a change impacted the tribe members hugely during Taha Aki's leadership and permanently changed their powers to shape-shifting into giant wolves." Source: http://twilightsaga.wikia.com/wiki/Shape-shifter "Children of the Moon are creatures similar to the traditional werewolves of myth, not to be confused with Shape-shifters." Source: http://twilightsaga.wikia.com/wiki/Children_of_the_Moon Teen Wolf on the other hand.... I haven't even seen. As for the Queen, well if there is a Queen in this fight... We also need to understand how old it is. If it's two weeks old, then this is a Queen that is somewhere in the 12 - 24 foot height in range like the Queen we saw in ALIENS. And that was a Young Queen who was more or less two weeks ago, but if we are talking about an Empress on the other hand... Empresses are much more menacing than normal Queens. Empresses are Queens who have survived for hundreds, maybe even thousands of years and are somewhere in the 30 - 40 foot height in range, and their exoskeleton is harder than a normal Queen's. If you have an Empress in this fight, then surely she will also be guarded by the Praetorian Aliens, who are much stronger than most Xenomorphs and are perhaps rivaled by PredAliens in terms of strength. But the Empress is stronger than most other Alien Queens. Much stronger. As for specimen 6 wasn't every other xeno in that game fodder for marines and Yautjas. Grid didnt show much higher thinking than "A predator, kill it." She won because her blood ate through the net which just shows that Celtic Predator didn't think that move through. The Xenomorph itself is intelligent. However because of Jame Cameron's ALIENS, a lot of people have written them out to be nothing more than just this alien insectoid which isn't very intelligent, but they couldn't be farther from the truth because of Cameron's film. However, upon watching the Directors Cut of ALIENS, the Xenomorphs are shown to retain that intelligence, namely with the fact that they were searching for alternative ways to get around the Sentry Guns, and then there is the fact that in both the theatrical version and the director's cut-- they cut the power to the medical lab, and they had successful managed to breach the Marine's barracades and sentries and even over their line of fire until they swarmed in. For the most part, the Xenomorphs had the numbers on their side, and for the most part-- their tactic actually worked. Specimen 6 wasn't the only Alien protagonist to be featured as an intelligent Alien. There was also the unnamed Alien Warrior in Monolith's 2001 Alien vs Predator 2. Right from the get go even when in the form of a Facehugger, this Alien had managed to evade a tightly knit and secured colonial complex and had managed to find a host to latch onto and gestate. After which, this very Alien then had evaded Iron Bear mercenaries and guards, and grew into adulthood, where it had proceeded to effectively kill as many Iron Bear mercenaries-- and it had killed three Predators later on in it's storyline, and it was even smart enough to recognize that the captor of it's Empress, Dr. Eisenberg, was a synthetic. The creatures are intelligent. But it's mostly bad writing which has regulated them into the thinking of how people percieve them. Yes, they do follow a eusocial Hive structure as insects do like ants or bees, but that doesn't make them stupid like you're making them out to be. They do have problem solving capabilities, they do have a telepathic mind link, and are of course highly adaptable. They have even managed to kill superheroes in the semi-canonical crossover, WildCATS/ALIENS. The reason that crossover is canon is because WildCATS/ALIENS was a prelude to the creation of the Authority. And the Xenomorphs were deadly enough to kill the Stormwatch team. One of them even gestated inside of Farenheit and inherited her powers over fire. So really, the Xenomorph has ALOT more going for it then you assume. As I said before I dont know which is stronger but the tactical advantage of acidic blood wins it for the aliens and don't say I dont know what I'm talking about. Everything which I have made mention of above regarding the Xenomorph still holds. However we also don't know what version of the Werewolves we are dealing with. From how I see it... Folklore Werewolves vs Xenomorphs--- Xenomorphs First Generation Lycans (Underworld) vs Xenomorph - Xenomorphs Second Generation Lycans (Underworld) vs Xenomorphs- Toss Up Third Generation Lycans (Underworld) vs Xenomorphs- Xenomorphs Corvinus-Lycan Hybrid (Underworld) vs Xenomorphs- Corvinus-Lycan The Wolfman vs Xenomorphs-- Xenomorphs WoD Garou vs Xenomorphs- Garou Twilight Children of the Moon vs Xenomorphs-- Xenomorphs. Also another thing to consider is the fact that the Xenomorphs making use of Werewolf captives for the Hive. Some werewolves are known to possess highly regenerative healing factors unless when exposed to by Silver... if a Werewolf with this attribute is taken into the Hive, you have essentially a never ending supply of breeding stock for the Xenomorphs to make use of. A Werewolf would suffer birth after birth, endlessly until it's freed by it's pack... If more than one Werewolf with this trait is captured, more numbers on the side for the Xenomorph. 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Xenerack5 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Dude my ass was just starting to grow back. The elevator i have to assume was PIS but i was refering more to the stealth tactics. I definately underestimated these aliens. And the idiocy of Stephanie Meyer's writing. I now really want to see that army of werealiens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Dude my ass was just starting to grow back. Want me to tear you a new one? The elevator i have to assume was PIS No, not really. As a matter of fact, the Queen is said to be generally the most intelligent of all the Xenomorphs and this concept was heavily expanded upon in the comics and novels as far as the expanded universe is concerned. There was a site called the Anchorpoint Essays which detailed on how intelligent the Queen was and how intelligent the Xenomorphs themselves are, but the author of the site, Thedus, shut his site down due to people hacking into it. And the idiocy of Stephanie Meyer's writing. Yes, Stephanie Meyer is an awful writer. I now really want to see that army of werealiens. I think that you would just get regular human gestated Xenomorphs... or a Xenomorph that is perhaps slightly bigger, taller, heavier and has the joint configurements of the Aliens that we saw in Alien Resurrection. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Man Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 One, I'm glad Rakai's back in a debating mood. Somebody go make a Marvel Character vs Xenomorphs/Yautja match right now! Second, Deo, your match making prowess doesn't need any recognition from such a humble guy like myself. Simply reading one of your matches would make anyone into a Deojusto-fan. Hope to see another match soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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