Guest skadoosh Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 I wasn't being very serious, Manhattan could obliterate Juggs in many ways, but ok. What can Juggs do to Manhattan with a boost from Cyttorak, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FTANG Commando Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Juggernaut could really get out from the center of the Sun? How? The gravity alone should just pin him. I thought his power was once he moves, he couldn't be stopped. But if he's in the sun, he shouldn't be moving. Also, how could he fight as a skeleton with no muscles? Maybe I'm thinking about this in the wrong ways. If you said, he did it, I can't really dispute it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVP vs The Terminator Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 I'd imagine it was through the power of Cyttorak (someone who dwarfs the likes of Dr. Strange and even Dormammu in terms of power)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Odin Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 whats with my warn status what did i say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Yeah, Juggy himself can't do those things and get out of those situations himself, but Cyttorak helps him out when he needs it, conveniently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shoggoth breeder Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Cyttorak must get pretty tired of having to bail Jugs out all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 I would assume so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 It's Comics, FTANG. They violate logic itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hastur Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 like teleporting him into the middle of the sun, Oh, right. After I read the Adamantium Walls thing I guess I assumed the whole fight was supposed to be just in the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Oh, right. After I read the Adamantium Walls thing I guess I assumed the whole fight was supposed to be just in the room. Teleporting Juggs somewhere has nothing to do with what the walls are made of... Duh. And if the fight is limited to just the one room, somehow, then Manhattan can just turn Juggs into bacon, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 And Baconnaut proceeds to fight Manhattan Vegito style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Baconnaut I really wanna see what that guy looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hastur Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Teleporting Juggs somewhere has nothing to do with what the walls are made of... Duh.Yeah. Thanks. That's the mistake I just admitted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I thought you were being sarcastic. Still do, kinda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Man Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Guys, Cyttorak is like some magical other dimensional deity. Don't try to get the physics or logic of it. Having said that, I'm not sure how one would defeat Dr. M. Aside from beating the crap out of stuff, Juggernaut's move list is pretty short. I'm voting Manhatten, but the CBUB should not underestimate Cyttorak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hastur00 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I thought you were being sarcastic.No. When I saw Adamantium Walls, I just automatically assumed Cage Match, because that's what that usually amounts to. Just slipped my mind to consider the nature of the combatants in that regard. Anyway. My thoughts. At very best (for Cain) it's a draw, since unless Cyttorak intervenes directly, he has no way of putting down Manhattan for more than a minute or two. I think Juggs is safe from transmutation, however. His invulnerability is all but absolute (depending on incarnation, of course), but more importantly, it's magical in nature. Hulk, for example, is almost impossible to hurt because his skin and tissues are staggeringly damage resistant. There's both a rationalization for how it works, and consequently a means to bypass it. Cain, OTOH, is invulnerable because CYTTORAK SAYS SO. It's magic. So it works by magic. And considering that he's completely invulnerable, to me it follows that he can't be transformed. So personally don't think Juggs would be vulnerable to transmutation, but considering the vague nature of both magic and invulnerability versus tissue transformation, I can't really fault anyone who disagrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Eh, most of his invulnerability actually comes from his forcefield. Thor's been known to magically rip the shield from Juggernaut using his hammer as a conduit and proceed to literally beat his face in physically with his bare hands. The other instances where he still goes on... like being a skeleton, I think that's the other tid bit, heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hastur00 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Eh, most of his invulnerability actually comes from his forcefield.Heh. Then I suppose the question is whether Manhattan's influence can penetrate his shield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Well it's a magical force field... And Manhattan's like quantum mechanics to a hardcore degree and whatnot - it might conflict or might not work or might work. We don't really know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Science vs magic... Tough call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FTANG Commando Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 It's Comics, FTANG. They violate logic itself. Lol yea I know, that's why I ended up just conceding to the fact that it happened, and there doesn't need to be an explanation. Also, isn't Dr. M practically a deity as well? Like wasn't he planning on going to create life somewhere else besides Earth? Does Juggernaut need air? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 No - I think he's just an entity who can exist across time simultaneously, and has the capability of observing present, past, and future plus matter manipulation. Which could easily make him be mistaken as being a deity I suppose. And Juggernaut doesn't need air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FTANG Commando Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Awesome. Thanks for answering. Then, I suppose it all just depends on what defines a victory and how much Cytorrak helps right? That's pretty much what everyone's been saying anyway haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G4hardcore Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Well it's a magical force field... And Manhattan's like quantum mechanics to a hardcore degree and whatnot - it might conflict or might not work or might work. We don't really know...Manhattan is exactly like quantum mechanics personified, though I would switch the word "hardcore" for macroscopic, given the massively unpredictable nature of the science. However, at the end of the day, Doctor Manhattan is still a being of science. As such, he has constraints and limitations, even if it seems as if he is omnipotent. From what I've observed, magic will always have an edge over pure physical science, no matter how flexible that science is. That's how I like to see it: Manhattan can twist, bend, and push the laws of reality all day long, but it's magic that has the innate ability to ignore the rules altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 TOMATO! And yeah, that much is true in of itself but I typically err on the lines of uncertainty myself when it comes to comparing fluctuating aspects of the magical spectrum i.e. the likes of Cain's empowerment via Cyttorak to a certain constant in Dr. Manhattan - It falls into the category of where it could potentially go both ways. Personally I think if it's Eighth Day Juggernaut - he'd take it but if else, it's most likely Manhattan, simply because as Marvelman put it, Cain doesn't have quite the plethora of capabilities that his opposition has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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