Match 12539 Ryu Hayabusa vs. Sephiroth

[Guest bigballerju]

Continued from Ryu Hayabusa vs Vergil (DMC)

 

Vergil laid beaten and battered on the floor as he was passed out in a pool of his own blood. Ryu made his way through Ra's al Ghul's fortress as he had finally found walter in one of the cells underground. The two men embraced as Ryu made his way back to the States with Walter. Back in the States as soon as they landed thanks to help from Lexscorp with the transportation they immediately got Walter to a hospital.

 

Days Later...

 

Ryu sat with Walter back at his place in Metropolis who had bruises on his body that were still healing. The two men sat at the dinner table as they ate a Sushi meal they had delivered as they spoke about recent events.

 

Walter: My god look at you now Ryu. Your father would be proud. To defeat someone as powerful as one of the sons of Sparda shows you have even surpassed your father.

 

Ryu: Thank you. It is a honor to receive such a kind words. May I ask do you know what has happened to my father? He wanted me to see you and he said you would know what I need to do?

 

Walter: Yes...Yes...We have been catching up but I suppose its time to get down to business. Your father as you know when studying the martial artists went on many quests around the world fighting to become not only a better martial artist but what it means to be a true leader so he could lead the Clan to glory. On many travels he found powerful artifacts and powers that many never knew existed. One such thing was something called the Jenova a alien lifeform.

 

Ryu: Yes I have heard of it. My friend Cloud stopped a powerful evil called Sepiroth along with his master Jenova from using the lifeforce and it's power to become a God. He told me Sepiroth would have destroyed the planet. I don't have all the details I know they wanted to go across the Universe killing planets until they found their very own.

 

Walter: Yes you are right about that. Well your father was the one who helped trap Jenova in the first place.

 

Ryu: This he never told me.

 

Walter: He never had to because he and the others thought they didn't have to worry about it again. Up until months ago when he found out the tomb had been open and Jenova had been released.

 

Ryu: I don't like where this is going.

 

Walter: Your father traveled to the tomb to find out what happened when he was attacked by Jenova's most loyal servant.

 

Ryu: Sepiroth. I just saw Cloud and we sparred together. Why didn't he...

 

Walter: Cloud doesn't know yet and neither does anyone else.

 

Ryu: How did Sepiroth come back to life? Kadaj and the rest were killed so he couldn't have been reborn.

 

Walter: That is something I don't have the answer to but it isn't important. What's important is that you stop Sepiroth from continuing his goal once again.

 

Ryu: What happened to my father? Is he dead?

 

Walter: I don't know. Your father's transmission he sent me ended. I don't know what Sepiroth did to him and what he is up to now. You friend Cloud is probably on his way to fight him now. This time I don't thing he may win. Sepiroth your father did say had found a way to become more powerful then when Cloud originally fought him.

 

Ryu: I need to get to Sepiroth before Cloud does and fast.

 

Walter: I will take care of that.

 

Ryu: Good because I know exactly where he is going to.

 

Walter: The same place he fought Cloud where you and Cloud sparred?

 

Ryu: Yea. Its most definitely the perfect place for Sepiroth to take control of the lifeforce since its the strongest there for some reason.

 

Walter: Good. Get your things ready. You have one hell of a fight ahead of you.

 

48 Hours Later...

 

Ryu arrives in Midgar as he searches for Cloud. Ryu comes across Cloud who is badly wounded in the chest area and is bleeding repeatly. Cloud can barely move as he looks to Ryu as struggles to speak.

 

Cloud: Hey...Ryu..

 

Ryu: Cloud my friend always the noble hero who feels its his sole duty to protect this world. Have you forgotten your not the only warrior?

 

Cloud coughs up blood as Ryu checks his wound and takes out some magic herbs that he gives to Cloud.

 

Cloud: I felt Sepiroth was my responsible to take care of.

 

Ryu: Not anymore. Take these herbs as they will heal you. I have someone coming back to pick you up. Sepiroth and Jenova quest for the Godhood ends now.

 

Cloud: Be careful he...

 

Ryu: Is more powerful then before. Don't worry I have come prepared.\

 

Cloud: Good luck.

 

Ryu turns around as Sepiroth stands on a broken building nearby waiting silently with a grin on his face.

 

Sepiroth: Your right this ends now. Although if Cloud couldn't defeat me what makes you think you will? Your father tried too and he...Well lets just say he is in a better place Ryu.

 

Ryu pulled out his one true dragon sword in anger as he stood in his legendary falcon armor.

 

Ryu: I am going to kill you and end this now. Then I end Jenova completing what my father started. You ask why will I defeat you? It is because it is my destiny to defeat evil like you whenever it arises.

 

Ryu runs as he super speeds toward Sepiroth with a rush of power as Sepiroth does the same as the building collapses under his power as he flies toward Ryu.

 

Let the battle begin.

 

Ryu Hayabusa in his legendary falcon armor with his one dragon sword

 

 

vs

 

Sepiroth

 

 

This takes place after Advent Children for Sepiroth and he has been reborn like he was in that movie. Both men have all their powers and abilities.

[Callisto]

Learn More About

Ryu Hayabusa

Read more about Ryu Hayabusa at Wikipedia

Official Site: Tecmo Links: Wikipedia Ninja Gaiden Wiki Ninja Gaiden Homepage

 

Sephiroth

Read more about Sephiroth at Wikipedia

Official Site: Square-Enix Links: Sephiroth's Wiki Entry Final Fantasy Wiki Profile Advent Children Profile from Official Si

 

 

[Guest skadoosh]

Damn. Tough call. Nice match up, dude.

 

I know Ryu is a Helluva skilled combatant and has a variety of abilities to use, but i just don't know if he can kill Sephiroth. Or even keep up with him...

[Indolent]

...

 

Cloud was able to keep up with Sephiroth - Ryu is generally capable of defeating Cloud.

 

So he's definitely got a chance.

[Guest skadoosh]

Oh, i know he's got a chance, but Sephiroth is a beast, so it will be far from easy for Ryu to win.

[Guest Posting type guy]

_{That bastard Hayabusa is fast!}

 

_{http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwGpUF5pC9E}

[Guest Pympy dibimpidi]

Ryu cannot beat Cloud, who ever said that? Ryu is good, but not that good. Not when FF people know magic

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6ZaSipHuO4

[Guest skadoosh]

They both have seriously impressive speed and skill feats. This is a very tough decision to make...

[Indolent]

Ryu can beat Cloud since Cloud barely uses Magic - it'd be easier for him to do so against Cloud than it would for Sephiroth.

 

And Ryu's got his own powerful form of magic - Ninpo. He can contend with Sephiroth.

[Guest skadoosh]

But can he beat him?

 

How does one kill someone like Sephiroth? My only knowledge on defeating him comes from Advent Children, so can Ryu pull off a similar move to Cloud?

[Indolent]

He can.

 

Honestly, it took Cloud to kill Sephiroth both times but that only shows that someone as capable of Cloud is capable of doing the same.

 

Which Ryu Hayabusa easily is.

[Guest skadoosh]

Ok, fair enough, i guess.

 

What is Sephiroth's durability like? It's not too well-defined in the film.

[Guest Dr. Pymp(mex)]

It's hard to describe video game people's durability as it is mostly game mechanics.

 

Seph in game has a lot of HP, and has magic that can full cure. Ryu does too, but then you can stand there and be killed by regular ninjas.

 

Based on what we know, If Seph can summon powerful magic, then his magic is better, Meteor, super Nova, etc are more powerful than Ninpo.

 

Based on speed, Seph can fly, watch the video I posted, and you'll see that he is much better than Ryu.

 

And just because Ryu can beat people that are real powerful, doesn't mean much as the most powerful in one universe is nothing to do with another, DBZ is powerful but Marvel has Galactus and etc. as an example. So for all we know Soldier 1st class could be a group as powerful or more than the best Dragon ninjas that Ryu comes from.

 

Now there is no proof that Ryu can even beat Vincent or even Cloud or Zack, but we can speculate which is what we are all doing here.

[Guest Dr. Pymp(mex)]

He can.

 

Honestly, it took Cloud to kill Sephiroth both times but that only shows that someone as capable of Cloud is capable of doing the same.

 

Which Ryu Hayabusa easily is.

 

Easily as in you know or you think? I think cloud would wipe the floor with Ryu, does that make me correct?

[Guest bigballerju]

Interesting debate going on here. I like the issues people are bringing up.

[Indolent]

Then I think you are unaware of Ryu Hayabusa's abilities.

 

Which is a recurring theme in some of your posts...

[Guest Pymp]

how am I unawarte, because I disagree with you? I am older than you, seen all his games, and played them all. I think you are just bias which is a theme you like to make an entrance with.

[Indolent]

Age doesn't really have any bearing on the point of a discussion if both parties are at least knowledgeable enough to contribute as it is.

 

That said - if you're banking on the Age aspect - I could honestly say that I think the likes of AvP, who is significantly younger than you, is a far more credible source, where he actually knows what he's talking about. Most instances I've seen from you, you've failed to grasp concepts that others have tried time and time again to elaborate, mostly in DBZ Debates.

 

And while it's true I've never actually played the games, I have done extensive research on Ryu Hayabusa's capabilities, and I have played both Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VII - Crisis Core, and seen Advent Children - it's where I've come up with my conclusion. That aside - I'm familiar with the mentality of the likes of Cloud Strife and Sephiroth - Cloud is the sort where he prefers utilizing his SOLDIER enhancements and his BFS to engage in a high speed, high powered close combat, preferring such over the likes of magic - he uses little if any magic at all, which is why I am confident that Ryu Hayabusa would win in most cases against him.

 

Against Sephiroth, a skilled warrior in his own right plus the fact he's been seen to use magic somewhat, extensively more so than Cloud, dictates the idea that it'd be more a fight cut out for Ryu simply because of the magic itself - though I like to think that if Cloud Strife, Sephiroth's mortal and hated enemy has a chance let alone defeating him, then Ryu Hayabusa has that exact same chance though I'd think slightly better.

 

It does boil down to opinions but opinions can be more so soundly informed than others' - something you seem to not get.

[Guest Pymp]

I get it, but you aving never even played the games should not speak, what did you go to Wikipedia or something? Try to know what you are talking about and I will listen. Ever heard of potential?

 

Cloud has been infused with Mako, the same thing Sephiroth was, which is why he was able to beat him, especially since Sephiroth and him have a past and Cloud has an understanding of him more so than anyone else save for Zack, Angeal and what not.

 

Ryu is good, but what will he do if Seph flies and shoots from far away, speed wise Seph is much faster, my opinion in this is more valid for this especially if you yourself have not played any of these games and just read a few things online. and Age is a factor especially if this guy (me) knows the games like the back of his hand. I own all the games of both and I am a huge fan of Ninja Gaiden. AVP is younger, but he knows his shit so you are right age is not justa factor, but if you are 18 or so or younger, you might not know as much as you think.

 

 

Cloud knows as much magic as Seph by the way, something you seem to not even know. Research more I suggest (Yoda voice)

[Indolent]

Actually no - the Wiki for the Gaiden Series itself is actually pretty well documented and straightforward, compiled with facts by faithful, avid players. Insofar as Wikis being a credible source, yes, it can be an iffy source as wikis generally are but it is rather well done.

 

Did you know Ryu has the means of teleportation? Did you know that Ryu's actually as fast as Sephiroth if not faster (He's actually faster - go replay the games if you must, Sephiroth's feats (taken from Advent Children) pales in comparison to Ryu's)? Did you know Ryu Hayabusa can stop time? Do you know Ryu's Ninpos? This match has both characters with all their abilities. Ryu is easily capable of defeating Sephiroth as Sephiroth is of Ryu.

 

And no need to elaborate on Cloud's Mako Infusion - I'm well aware, in fact I even highlighted it via SOLDIER ENHANCEMENT. Beyond that - while they do have a past, it's typically a fact they're fierce enemies/rivals, and the last times they've fought, they've fought to the death with all their might. Not to mention - Angeal and Genesis are actually capable of holding their ground with Sephiroth - and I daresay Ryu would defeat those two as well. Not only that - Ryu is just as capable (I do not know why you're not seeing this) as Cloud is physically.

 

Ryu can actually reach him via his Teleportation or Ninpo - not to mention that if Sephiroth wishes to, he'll have to get in close with his sword to use it, and as mentioned, Ryu's actually faster - you'd know that if you'd drop the attitude about having played the games and actually do some research yourself - actually you'd even know now if you've actually played the games, that Ryu's faster in comparison to Sephiroth. Whether it by pure speed or teleportation. If Sephiroth falls back on the means of utilizing magic, Ryu can simply evade the attacks and take the fight to Sephiroth. His senses would enable him to foresee these attacks - which is why I argue this.

 

Not only that - you clearly don't know the games like the back of your hand - otherwise you'd see that Ryu's physically just as capable, if not superior, in some aspects (namely speed as you are arguing.). Unless you're referring to that one game where they severely depowered Ryu? That shouldn't be used, seeing as this is Ryu with all his abilities shown in his history. Not only that - you're wrong, I am nineteen years old, have been for around nine months. Regardless - as I said, age doesn't matter if both sides are knowledgeable and so far you've proven that despite your age, you're not as knowledgeable as you like to think - which is another common motif.

 

I never said Cloud didn't know any magic - I said Cloud doesn't use magic as much as Sephiroth - Reading Comprehension, I suggest you try it for you seem to lack it, Master Yoda.

[Guest Pymp]

hahah you make me laugh sir. those feats you are using are game mechanics. In that case, Sephiroth can cast Death and or Petrify which will render Ryu useless, he can cast toad, ultima (which is an omnidirectional blast. (he can summon a Super Nova) which if you played FF7 you will see that that alone will triumph anything Ninja Gaiden has ever done. He can teleport as well as he does so in Advent Children, and he can summon (Bahamut, etc)

 

going by game mechanics alone he can cast regen, haste, and slow on Ryu, he can cast powerful elemental magic, and non elemental attacks, such as Flare or Dark Flare, he has mind control, and can be intangible as the lifestream, since that is all he in in FF7.

 

I do know all about the games and not just read some Wiki that you are saying is a valid source. last I checked that would be first canon right?

 

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are arguing only to argue with me since you think I know nothing based ont he fact that I talk about DBZ a lot.

 

again play the games and then speak. Im not dissing you by the way while you are trying to diss me, so be it.

[Indolent]

Actually - some of it is from cutscenes and if you're rendering Ryu's abilities as seen (teleport, etc), as Game Mechanics and thus not able to be used - then what do we use? O<O That's what I thought. Besides - the OP states this is Ryu with all his abilities - so something like the Time Stop ability from the NES Game, which was strictly done in game play (hence technically game mechanics) is rendered useless according to you. I don't think so - I think they're viable.

 

Beyond that - Sephiroth didn't actually use magic as much in Advent Children (A better source of feats as it's defined) but we do know he uses more than Cloud does and has proficiency as seen in The Remnants of Sephiroth. Aside from that - his magic isn't his own but comes from Materia - it isn't part of his powers and abilities - though if we have the OP list them if necessary? So actually, Materia itself is game mechanics, and we see Sephiroth in Advent Children forgoing the use of materia. In fact... he has his own means of powers that he uses - I don't recall a lot of magic in Crisis Core and Advent Children as well as FF7 (Except for Meteor from the Black Materia (He obviously doesn't have it), and already covered Super Nova. Also includes his own teleportation and the energy blade attack as his own powers).

 

Are you seriously saying that the people who've played the games first hand and listed what they witnessed in the games down as written sources isn't exactly a viable source? It's coming from the first canon - the games - if you would please, go through the wikia and provide evidence that what was stated is false.

 

Not that I'd take your word for granted as per your history...

 

Actually - I'm not arguing with you for the sole sake of arguing with you, I'm arguing with your because your opinion is wrong, ill informed. Again, Reading Comprehension. I said there's a pattern, and DBZ is one of them. Please stop taking my statements out of context to better suit your argument.

 

If your only defense in the argument is that you've played the game, which apparently automatically qualifies you as the #1 say on how it goes - that doesn't work. Believe it or not, but Research counts just as well - I will even consult those that have played it (Those that aren't clearly biased and ill informed) on their opinions.

 

You are dissing me as well, indirectly so, so please don't pull that crap.

[corvette1710]

Actually, no, Jaeger's correct.

 

Throughout nearly every debate I've seen you in, you've refused to listen to fact, reason, or any sort of logic. I'm fairly sure the only time you admit you were incorrect is when you find it favorable to whichever alternative.

 

I don't see any "dissing" from Jaeger-- He's calling it as it is, you need to get your facts straight, you just won't admit it because he's younger.

 

PS: Learn to English.

[Guest Dr. Pymp(mex)]

Stick to the "facts" that you claim I won't listen to and what you call logic.

 

Oh and to Jaeger, they do use magic in that movie, watch it please and you will see that they use a full cure for one, and what is Ninpo? a scroll that they use to cast spells so if Materia is not valid neither is Ninpo as it is not their own. I read what you write, but only address cerain points as it is pointless to nickpick everything. Are you going by the movie alone? if so why since you are using Ryu's game and movie parts from the games, use all of Sephiroth's "skills"

 

If you must I will be blunt

 

1. Sephiroth has a higher showing

2. Sephiroth has Haste Magic and is usually immune to status effects which Time Stop is one

3 Sephiroth fused with the life stream as in the movie you seem to only know about Sephiroth is dead and is reformed from the lifestream.

4. The video games are first canon if we are to use a game right? if we use game mechanics then why not Sephiroths in game skills?

5. If we go by game mechanics Sephiroth can phase through walls and floors as seen in Costa Del Sol's ship part.

6. If we go by both's game mechanics, Ryu fights regular tanks and normal ninjas (albeit they aren't just like our ninjas) but they shoot regular guns most of the time. (I played all Ninja Gaiden's up to the most recent which sucks) Sephiroth doesnt lose to anyone except Cloud and he is the one to do it, like Ryu is for his enemies.

7. I'm sure I have more, but lets start with these and bottom line let me ask you something, have you seen Ryu get killed in the games? I have and I have seen him get killed by regular people(if you let him of course) so he does bleed and can be cut by regular weapons. If you watch my video I posted Genesis shoots fire shots at him (I'm sure thats magic) and Sephiroth is covered in it and is not hurt at all. Thats not a showing? play the new games and you will see that if anything Sephiroth has more skills and better showings overall and while Ryu is great (again I love this guy and his games) he is no Sephiroth.

[Indolent]

I've watched the movie - I never said they didn't use magic, I said they either used Magic from Materia or their own powers, such as Cloud's Omnislash (his own power), etc. You say you read but you only convince me otherwise.

 

Actually... you've just shown you don't know what Ninpo is. It's not a scroll... They learn from a scroll but it's an art - a form of technique that utilizes the ninja's own spiritual energy. Their Ki so to speak. So no, they don't need the scroll to use Ninpo - if they've learned it, they can utilize it at any time without needing the scroll. a Minor and distinct difference between Ninpo and FF7's Magic, where FF7 is reliant on the necessary possession of Materia itself in order to have access to magic.

 

Edit: After further research, it appears to be that Sephiroth in Advent Children, after having reformed from the Life Stream via possessing one of his Remnants, no longer needs Materia. And that he's more powerful than he was in FF7 - huh, this was stated by the producers for Advent Children movie. Good thing Research is key... and so if I'm using the movie version, that means he's more powerful in this instance than prior... and he was still defeated by Cloud. Though they implied his potential wasn't explored much, we didn't see much, so we have nothing to go on with other than the fact he was defeated by Cloud, and (obviously), retains all his prior abilities. And he didn't even use that much magic despite his reincarnation and power up in Advent Children - he didn't use much magic prior in FF7 or Crisis Core, other than his trade mark energy attacks, teleportation, Supernova, etc. Let me explain my reasoning: I also take into account the personality of the characters in question and in how they fight, their habits, whatnot.

 

It's why I say that since Cloud doesn't use magic so much and prefers his big effing sword to beat the crap out of others, that Ryu would have a chance against him, a definite chance of winning, more so than Cloud against him. Now, I did say Sephiroth uses more magic than Cloud - I merely mean the likes of his own abilities, Supernova (As seen in Dissidia and Crisis Core), and whatnot.

 

Actually there's been many characters that are of great skill to go up against Sephiroth and do battle with him competently - it seems to imply he holds back - he does have a somewhat arrogant, narcissistic personality, so that may very well be it - though likely only Cloud is able to match him mostly.

 

...He's not immune to Status Effects logically - that's mainly game mechanics mostly, you do realize that? Unless he was packing a Ribbon... he was immune due to the boss status as to give the players a difficult time.

 

Yes, I know.

 

In game skills such as the Materia? No, not exactly. You're ignoring the character personality - that's what defines the usage of said skills and abilities. I mentioned this above.

 

Ryu fights Mooks, yes (the tanks and ninjas you mentioned.). That's not all he fights though... Ryu fights God Like Entities and whatnot and actually defeats them using his own abilities. This is in conjunction with his own physical power and ability and the True Dragon Sword. There's also the Fiends and whatnot which easily is way past street level entities... he is quite capable of defeating Sephiroth. He's been seen to literally block a barrage of bullets from full automatic weapons while surrounded from all sides. At once. He has moved so fast he's left after images of himself (a la Son Goku from Dragon Ball).

 

All I've seen of Sephiroth's speed is in his sword fights - there's not really any definitive speed feats in FF7 itself but there are a few in Crisis Core and they're not as impressive as Ryu's - you can still track him as he fights with the likes of Angeal, Genesis, and Zack. Then there's the fight scene between him and Cloud - you can still track him. Only time I've seen him disappear from view and reappear elsewhere suddenly as if he moved that fast was when he teleported. And if you're implying Haste was used in these instances... then that's worse.

 

Technically if you go by the story in the game... Ryu doesn't get damaged often by the mooks - there's been instances where he's been gravely wounded by major characters, like Doku, a Greater Fiend (iirc he was caught off guard there) but otherwise, he typically survives without a scratch from the likes of the mooks - so if anything, it requires quite powerful and capable entities to injure Ryu let alone kill him, such as the mentioned Fiends or God Like Entities he's fought. If we're going by the fact he can die in the game to attribute to being cut and bleeding, then I could attribute to the fact that it takes a lot to bring him down regardless as that he has great durability and stamina, easily beyond a human being...

 

Yes, Genesis isn't as powerful as Sephiroth, that was the whole point of the showing was to prove that Genesis and Angeal, even combined, were not a match for Sephiroth. Plus that took place in a simulation room - so it was a sparring that got serious - which kinda detracts from it a bit but still proves Sephiroth's superiority.

 

And I said Ryu could defeat Angeal or Genesis, probably so better than Cloud or Sephiroth...

 

I said I have played the new games, namely Crisis Core (As that has Sephiroth). I've also played Dirge of Cerberus, which centers on Vincent Valentine.