Guest skadoosh Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 ... I still have no idea who to vote for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pymp Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 After image is not that great as goku does that but does not imply speeds like let's say Superman who makes no after images. That just shows that he is faster than the human eye. You are using game mechanics with Ryu and not width Sephiroth. Cloud uses materia but it's not a summon it's an active power like equipping it and not something he has to take out and use. It's life stream and knowledge from the ancients. Ryu's bosses are not all that powerful and possibly only a threat to his world. Like Frieza being weak compared to superman but at one point being the most powerful in DBZ. Ninpo is a scroll as he needs to use it to do his magic. He doesn't just use it. You make good points but in the hologram Angeal tells Genesis that he will destroy us all and it's stated that Sephiroth was on par with Genesis as both are 1st class but Sephiroth gaining more knowledge of the life's life stream. They use the sword because the same reason Ryu uses his sword. It's his most trusted weapon. Same reason Link uses the master sword instead of the Biggorn sword( it's required to seal evil) If you watch the movie, even Vincent can beat Ryu up based on powers alone. Like i. e. Nightcrawler being faster than death stroke means nothing since he can react faster. Same thing different people. By the way I'm checking YouTube for game footage check out FF dissidia and it shows some good fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 No, it implies that Ryu's faster than Sephiroth. Thing is - you have to apply concepts to it - We're using Time Stomp, which apparently is a game mechanic, because it's an ability of Ryu's. Sephiroth being immune to status effects is a game mechanic, one applied because it's designed to make him a more challenging opponent, simply because he's a boss. And Cloud doesn't use materia often - this is evident in Advent Children (Yuffie was going to give him a massive box of Materia in order to prepare for his fight with Sephiroth. He never took any.) He prefers his sword and his own power. You're downplaying Ryu and his enemies then. A few of them have been slated to be of the sort of "Not quite, quite good for the world at large if they get away with it". They're a massive threat. And you know what else? Some of them requires The True Dragon Sword to kill them - that in of itself is a massively powerful weapon, once conjoined with the Dragon Eye, upsets the balance of the Universe... it shows you how powerful Ryu's enemies are, least the major villains. I recall a Villain named Ishtaros. She couldn't beat Ryu until she got some power up from Dragonstones and whatnot - this enabled her to utterly thrash Ryu. Then he went and got the Dragon Eye for his sword, and lo behold... she was defeated. While the sword is powerful, it still requires Ryu's physical capability to defeat his foes - it just gives him the capability of killing them (as to dissuade any illusions of the sword doing all the work.) No... Ninpo is not a scroll he has to pull out and use - granted this is game mechanics and you might throw this out but whenever we see him perform a Ninpo in game, he doesn't pull out a scroll, he performs a technique, utilizing his ki, to instigate the Ninpo and activate it, to utilize it. It's a scroll they learned from, yes, but they don't need to have it to perform a Ninpo attack. It's a learned technique. Ah yeah, that was because Genesis found the Goddess I believe (Dirge of Cerberus hints at this in it's ending). At the time though, he was inferior to Sephiroth. Even before Sephiroth gained access to the Life Stream. Don't believe me? I refer you to the Angeal & Genesis vs. Sephiroth fight, you linked the video. Angeal was a First Class Soldier - doesn't mean he was as good as Sephiroth now, does it? Ryu uses the sword because it's the most effective weapon - he can use other weapons if he wants I suppose. No, I watched the movie and Vincent doesn't show anything that would enable him to defeat Ryu, namely sheer speed and reflexes. That plus the Dragon Sword would definitely kill him. Though of course, if this was Chaos Form Vincent from Dirge of Cerberus, then yeah, Ryu would be *vulgarity*ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 God damn I haven't written such massive posts in a long ass time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 at least we are trying to prove each other wrong ina good way. I take that as a compliment. Genesis was not weaker than Sephiroth but not more powerful, I think they were about even. Angeal hinted that as well. not all 1st class soldiers are equal, but given that these were the top three with Zack being a young buck it's safe to assume that they wewre close. Angeal stops Genesis and Sephiroth and has Sephiroth gasping as if surprised. Angeal doesn't use his sword for a reason or else he would have jumped in (Buster Sword) Oh and by your words Ryu is faster than Sephiroth just because he has after images as he moves, but so does lets say Krillin, does that mean Krillin is faster than someone like Goku or even Tien? no. oh and about Ninpo, most of it is game mechanics as Materia is and even so not one of them seem more powerful than magic used by Materia users. (i.e. fireball) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Djgambrell Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Just watched all the cut scenes in all the ninja gaiden games and just noticed something. No matter what happens to him or who he fought against he's never tired afterwards. Throwing that out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 haha, thats game mechanics, but if so neither does Mario or Sonic or Road Runner lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Djgambrell Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 No I'd call that stamina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvette1710 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 So, wait... you're calling what's happening repeatedly in the cutscenes of the game... game mechanics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 stamina is not game mechanics, but if you see any game, no one gets tired usually. Cloud destroys Ultima w/o even breathing hard at all and so forth so--- The problem with games is that it can show anything i.e. Megaman 5 he holds up the castle with no problem, but then he gets killed instantly by spikes. or Yoshi not needing to breathe underwater (the green one not blue) Thats all I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 if that is the case, stamina has no bearing on anything since most "people" have seemingly infinite or unlimited stamina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvette1710 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 If they wanted him to look tired, they'd have done it, I'm sure. But they made sure he wasn't tired, hence he has stamina, and lots of it. The concept at hand here is that they can do whatever they want to; the fact is they didn't make him look or sound tired. Therefore, he wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 ok well then sephiroth wasn;t made tired, so same goes for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvette1710 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Going to let Jaeger argue that, as I'm not very knowledgeable of the FF universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 lol no worries lets agree to disagree on who would win. This was fun and hopefully you guys at least respect me trying to explain my opinions and addressing yours and jaeger. That is what we do and why we vote, remember I am just one vote, if this was real, I think this would be a great fight either way, I just think Sephiroth would destroy Ryu, while you guys say the latter. Until we meet again, unless you guys have more and I will be happy to respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callisto Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Match Final ResultsUSER RATINGS A SCORE Ryu Hayabusa: 21Sephiroth: 24FPA: 4.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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