Rumble 12572 Darkseid vs. Madara Uchiha vs. Thanos

[The Void]

"I asked the OP and he said 12 hour prep..."

 

Yes, I know. What's your point? They still don't have any information to use for their prep. Which still gives the advantage to Team Darkseid.

 

 

The OP still said 12 hour prep time. It's the OP rules...

 

 

Ok, do you have anything to back that up? I.e. what are you basing that opinion on?

 

 

 

Dr Doom, Loki, Magneto and Thanos are better tacticians and Strategist..I'm bashing this on how Dr Doom is able to go up against people like Dr Strange, Beyonder, Silver Surfer. Thanos is able to out-think extremely powerful people like Galactus and Tyrant.

 

 

 

1. The majority of Doom's "prep work", happens with tech. Stealing the powers of Silver Surfer, Galactus, Beyonder, etc. all happened with tech. As I said, without tech, the majority of Doom's prep. ability has been taken away. 2. As I(and kain) already pointed out, Doom is cut off from the majority of his magical power. Most of his spells(particularly the powerful ones) are powered by various demons and deities, that he can't access due to being in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.

 

If that's the case, then why is this match in this location? And why is Doom even here? I'm being honest I don't know much about the Hyperbolic Time Chamber...

 

 

 

 

Batman hasn't "out thought" post-crisis Darkseid. He has bluffed him, and Darkseid wasn't willing to call the bluff, but that =/= out-thinking.

 

If you can actually bring up examples of Darkseid being "out thought", I'll be willing to concede on that one though.

 

Batman almost killed Darkseid. I know I didn't go into detail when I said Batman out-thought Darkseid, but he was still able to do this.

 

 

 

 

For actual combat, that's true. But for prep. work, he does. Every single one of his prep. feats worth mentioning, were done with tech.

 

Hence, as I said, the fact that there is no tech. takes away the majority of Thanos' prep. ability.

 

I can't disagree with this, but lets not forget about Thanos telepathy powers and that he was able to get inside Galactus mind. Thanos is a skilled telepathy.

 

 

 

 

I'm well aware that Thanos is the avatar of Death. As for his shielding and energy manipulation being "superior to anyone on Darkseid's team". Hardly. Darkseid's own energy manipulation, and shielding, is more impressive.

 

IMO Thanos has way better shielding and energy manipulation feats...

 

Also Odin is Skyfather level... Much higher than Post crisis Darkseid.

 

 

 

Just so we have all the facts from that feat: 1. Galactus was barely making any effort. and 2. After just one blast, Thanos was begging for mercy, and a second blast would have killed him.

 

So, to sum up. Thanos was, despite his shielding, brought to the point of begging for mercy, with a single half-assed blast from Galactus. Still relatively impressive, but far from as impressive as you make it out to be.

 

He was still able to take it from a person like Galactus. That is impressive to me.

 

 

 

 

And Juggernaut is not a jobber? He has been beaten by, among others, the original X-men team, and Spider-Man.

 

I know, but Juggernaut has way better showings than compared to Apocalypse...

 

I never seen Apocalypse with a durability like this...

 

Aye, and so has Apocalypse. Like single-handedly defeating the Inhumans, or the X-men.

 

Yet he lost to someone like Magneto and continues to Jobs to this very day.

 

 

 

Oh yes, replacing Juggernaut with Sinister is a great idea, but replacing him with someone that Sinister is afraid of, is a bad one.[/sarcasm]

 

I said Sinsister because to me he has better prep feats...

 

Mines is in red

[kainboa]

Wrong...

 

I don't know about intelligence. But Juggs has waaaay better strength feats compared to Apocalypse. How could Apocalypse even hurt him? He processes no magic abilities what so ever.

 

Juggs is leagues ahead of Apocalypse. He has the powers of a power demon..

 

Apocalypse beat down a raging Hulk, I might be remembering wrong, but I can't remember anything that Juggernaut has done, without getting some kind of power-up, that is superior to that.

[The Void]

Apocalypse beat down a raging Hulk, I might be remembering wrong, but I can't remember anything that Juggernaut has done, without getting some kind of power-up, that is superior to that.

 

Juggernaut also beat Hulk and he didn't even have any power ups.

 

He also made Thor look like a joke. Thor who is stronger than the Hulk,,,

[comic_book_fan]

Juggernaut also beat Hulk and he didn't even have any power ups.

 

He also made Thor look like a joke. Thor who is stronger than the Hulk,,,

thor is not stronger then hulk and apocalypse has beat the hulk also and he has also laughed at loki's best efforts

[The Void]

thor is not stronger then hulk and apocalypse has beat the hulk also and he has also laughed at loki's best efforts

 

Hulk is no where near as strong as Thor. Thor strength feats alone are superior to Hulks, but that's another debate.

 

I already know about Apoacalypse beating Hulk.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

You're underestimating Apocalypse severely - focusing on his low-end showings, while ignoring his more powerful feats.

 

 

You see Black Bolt? See how he's screaming? See how Apocalypse is laughing at him? Yeah...

[Guest sirmethos]

"The OP still said 12 hour prep time. It's the OP rules..."

 

Aye, and I already acknowledged that. But you don't seem to be getting my point, so I'll try to explain it slowly, in detail, and with simple words.

 

They have 12 hours to prep.

 

But for their prep:

 

They don't know the powers of the other team.

 

They don't know the skills of the other team.

 

They don't know the weaknesses of the other team.

 

To summarize: As I've already said, they don't have any information to use for their prep. Thus, the advantage goes to Team Darkseid.

 

 

"Dr Doom, Loki, Magneto and Thanos are better tacticians and Strategist..I'm bashing this on how Dr Doom is able to go up against people like Dr Strange, Beyonder, Silver Surfer. Thanos is able to out-think extremely powerful people like Galactus and Tyrant."

 

Doom's ability to go up against people like Dr. Strange, Beyonder, Silver Surfer, etc. has nothing to do with his strategic and/or tactical abilities, and has everything to do with his technological and magical skills.

 

Thanos has never "out thought" neither Tyrant nor Galactus, so that's a useless example.

 

 

"If that's the case, then why is this match in this location? And why is Doom even here? I'm being honest I don't know much about the Hyperbolic Time Chamber..."

 

No idea, I didn't create the match.

 

 

"Batman almost killed Darkseid. I know I didn't go into detail when I said Batman out-thought Darkseid, but he was still able to do this.

 

"

 

Any idiot with a gun and a radion bullet could have done that.

 

Once again, a useless example.

 

 

"I can't disagree with this, but lets not forget about Thanos telepathy powers and that he was able to get inside Galactus mind. Thanos is a skilled telepathy."

 

That much is true.

 

Let's just be clear about the facts of your example here though. Thanos was only able to get into Galactus' mind, because Galactus wasn't paying attention, and wasn't actively defending himself. As soon as Galactus realized what was going on, Thanos was kicked out of his mind in a matter of seconds.

 

Again, it's still impressive. But again, not nearly as impressive as you're making it out to be.

 

 

 

 

"IMO Thanos has way better shielding and energy manipulation feats..."

 

That's because you, apparently, don't know much about Darkseid.

 

In terms of raw power, Darkseid provided (at least)1/5 of the power to destroy an entire universe.

 

Which, btw, is better than any 'feats' from a Skyfather as well.

 

 

"He was still able to take it from a person like Galactus. That is impressive to me."

 

Aye, as I already said in my last post, it is an impressive 'feat', but it is far from as impressive as you were making it out to be.

 

 

 

If there's anything important that I've forgotten to address, just let me know(it took a while to respond, and my ADD was acting up, so took a few breaks while responding).

[The Void]

You're underestimating Apocalypse severely - focusing on his low-end showings, while ignoring his more powerful feats.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You see Black Bolt? See how he's screaming? See how Apocalypse is laughing at him? Yeah...

 

Hulk also tanked Black Bolts scream...

 

And I'm trying to ignore the his biggest feats. Fact of the matter is that Juggernaut has fought physically tougher people.

 

And he has better showings IMO.

[DSkillz]

Hulk also tanked Black Bolts scream...

 

 

That was a Skrull posing as Black Bolt.

[The Void]

 

 

Aye, and I already acknowledged that. But you don't seem to be getting my point, so I'll try to explain it slowly, in detail, and with simple words.

 

They have 12 hours to prep.

 

But for their prep:

 

They don't know the powers of the other team.

 

They don't know the skills of the other team.

 

They don't know the weaknesses of the other team.

 

To summarize: As I've already said, they don't have any information to use for their prep. Thus, the advantage goes to Team Darkseid.

 

Than Brainiac is considered useless... I bet Juggs can easily defeat Bizzaro. And his durability is a team savor.

 

 

Doom's ability to go up against people like Dr. Strange, Beyonder, Silver Surfer, etc. has nothing to do with his strategic and/or tactical abilities, and has everything to do with his technological and magical skills.

 

Thanos has never "out thought" neither Tyrant nor Galactus, so that's a useless example.

 

Doom is a good strategist for invading Wakanda(one of the richest and most power countries) and almost succeeding...

 

What? He out-thought Tyrant by escaping their fight. Thanos was able to get into Galactus mind.

 

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Any idiot with a gun and a radion bullet could have done that.

 

Once again, a useless example.

 

I doubt a idiot would have the brains to try to go up against Darkseid like Batman did.

 

 

 

That much is true.

 

Let's just be clear about the facts of your example here though. Thanos was only able to get into Galactus' mind, because Galactus wasn't paying attention, and wasn't actively defending himself. As soon as Galactus realized what was going on, Thanos was kicked out of his mind in a matter of seconds.

 

Again, it's still impressive. But again, not nearly as impressive as you're making it out to be.

 

That was still Galactus, I doubt people on team Galactus can resist that besides Darkseid and MAYBE Black Adam.

 

 

 

 

 

That's because you, apparently, don't know much about Darkseid.

 

In terms of raw power, Darkseid provided (at least)1/5 of the power to destroy an entire universe.

 

Which, btw, is better than any 'feats' from a Skyfather as well.

 

I know a lot about Darkseid. It seems you're thinking this is pre crisis Darkseid.. Pre Crisis Darkseid was able to do that, but the writers toned him down. Odin can easily bust a galaxy.

 

 

Aye, as I already said in my last post, it is an impressive 'feat', but it is far from as impressive as you were making it out to be.

 

The reason why I said it was impressive, because it showed Thanos shield feats.

 

 

If there's anything important that I've forgotten to address, just let me know(it took a while to respond, and my ADD was acting up, so took a few breaks while responding).

 

I think you're all good, but I'll check.

 

 

Mines in blue.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

 

 

That was a Skrull posing as Black Bolt.

 

This. If that were the real Black Bolt, Hulk would've been blasted off the moon.

 

How would Juggernaut deal with Apocalypse's telepathy? He's been shown as being more powerful than Exodus in that area.

 

Not to mention Apocalypse's matter manipulation.

[The Void]

That was a Skrull posing as Black Bolt.

 

That's BB during WWHulk...

[AVP vs The Terminator]

It was a Skrull. Read Secret Invasion.

[The Void]

This. If that were the real Black Bolt, Hulk would've been blasted off the moon.

 

How would Juggernaut deal with Apocalypse's telepathy? He's been shown as being more powerful than Exodus in that area.

 

Not to mention Apocalypse's matter manipulation

 

Edit:

Okay that was not BB.

 

Apocalypse barley uses matter manipulation. Apocalypse has no magic, Juggernaut mostly has to be hurt by magic. Apocalypse can only most likely stalemate him like Skaar, but that was a weaker version on Juggs.

[The Void]

It was a Skrull. Read Secret Invasion.

 

My bad. I never read Secret Invasion, because I just couldn't get into it.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

How will Juggernaut deal with Apoc's telepathy? And he's used his matter manipulation plenty of times.

[The Void]

How will Juggernaut deal with Apoc's telepathy? And he's used his matter manipulation plenty of times.

 

I already agreed that it wasn't BB. Read my other post.

 

Juggernaut is resistant to telepathy. Again only magic can really hurt Juggernaut..

[The Void]

I have to go guys. I'll be back.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

...No he isn't. It's been established numerous times within the comics themselves that telepathy is one of the few things that can stop him.

[comic_book_fan]

Hulk is no where near as strong as Thor. Thor strength feats alone are superior to Hulks, but that's another debate.

 

I already know about Apoacalypse beating Hulk.

superman's strength feats are better then doomesday's but he isn't stronger.

same here even though doomesday did not push planets around we know he is stronger cause when he fought superman he over powered him easly hulk has continued to beat thor most of the time despite thor's other abilities herc is stronger then thor as well.

[Guest force_echo]

I'm pretty sure you can only harm Juggs with telepathy when his helmet is off. Ofc, it shouldn't be that hard for Apoc to rip off Jugg's helmet. Besides, Apoc is leagues smarter than Juggs, if Spider-Man can stop him by burying him under wet cement, I'm pretty sure Apoc can too. Also, regular Juggs never beat Thor, and I'm pretty sure he's never beaten Hulk.

[Guest sirmethos]

"Than Brainiac is considered useless..."

 

When it comes to prep. yes. But then again, I already pointed that out in my first post.

 

There is no equipment to build technological things from, which takes away most of Dr. Doom and Thanos' prep. abilities(as well as Brainiac's and some of Darkseid's). Another advantage for Team Darkseid.

 

However, he still has his Technopathy(which makes him effective against Doom), Super Strength(and durability) enough to go toe to toe with Superman, Telepathy and Telekinesis. He also has relatively impressive strategical/tactical skills(though not on par with the actual tacticians/strategists on the team), and is more intelligent than anyone else in the match. So no, he is not completely useless.

 

 

"I bet Juggs can easily defeat Bizzaro. And his durability is a team savor."

 

What does this have to do with their prep. ability?

 

Anyway, while Juggernaut might have the strength, and definitely has the durability, to go up against Bizarro, he(juggs) doesn't have the speed for it. Juggernaut is just barely super-human when it comes to speed, while Bizarro is easily faster than light.

 

 

"Doom is a good strategist for invading Wakanda(one of the richest and most power countries) and almost succeeding..."

 

Aye, and I never claimed that he is not a good strategist. All I said, which is simply a fact, was that the examples you brought up to show his strategic abilities, had nothing to do with his strategic skill. However, the invasion of Wakanda is pretty much his most impressive strategic 'feat'. And while it is impressive, it simply doesn't measure up to Darkseid.

 

 

"What? He out-thought Tyrant by escaping their fight."

 

Running away hardly counts as "out-thinking" your opponent. If it does, then Batman is far from as mentally impressive as I thought, considering that he is being "out-thought" by random thugs every day -.-

 

 

"Thanos was able to get into Galactus mind."

 

Yea, we already covered that. He was able to enter Galactus' mind, while Galactus wasn't paying attention, or actively defending himself in anyway, and was thrown out of Galactus' mind in seconds, once he(galactus) actually started defending himself.

 

Again, that =/= "out-thinking" him.

 

Come on, Thanos does actually have some fairly impressive 'feats', and all you're throwing at me is the random garbage. You can do better than that.

 

 

"I doubt a idiot would have the brains to try to go up against Darkseid like Batman did."

 

Batman shooting Darkseid, didn't require any particular amount of intelligence. Guts, yes. But intelligence? Not so much.

 

 

"That was still Galactus, I doubt people on team Galactus can resist that besides Darkseid and MAYBE Black Adam."

 

Both Darkseid and Brainiac have powerful telepathy of their own, and could resist it with relative ease. And Black Adam has proven to be extremely resistant to telepathy.

 

 

"I know a lot about Darkseid. It seems you're thinking this is pre crisis Darkseid.. Pre Crisis Darkseid was able to do that, but the writers toned him down."

 

No, that was Post-crisis Darkseid. It happened about 3 years(real time) after Crisis.

 

But I'm well aware that Pre-Crisis Darkseid was considerably more powerful.

 

 

"Odin can easily bust a galaxy."

 

That's true, but what does that have to do with anything?

 

A galaxy =/= 1/5 of a universe.

[The Void]

...No he isn't. It's been established numerous times within the comics themselves that telepathy is one of the few things that can stop him.

 

With his helmet off...

[The Void]

superman's strength feats are better then doomesday's but he isn't stronger.

same here even though doomesday did not push planets around we know he is stronger cause when he fought superman he over powered him easly hulk has continued to beat thor most of the time despite thor's other abilities herc is stronger then thor as well.

 

Superman beat Doomsday more times than Doomsday beat him..

 

Thor holds back against Hulk, because Bruce is considered a friend to Thor. Thor beat Hulk more times in their encounter. Even Stan Lee says Thor is more stronger.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

 

 

With his helmet off...

 

Apocalypse is easily strong enough to remove Juggs' helmet.