Rumble 12572 Darkseid vs. Madara Uchiha vs. Thanos

[xLEGACYx]

Superman beat Doomsday more times than Doomsday beat him..

 

Thor holds back against Hulk, because Bruce is considered a friend to Thor. Thor beat Hulk more times in their encounter. Even Stan Lee says Thor is more stronger.

just a quick thought.

 

How can anyone be stronger than Hulk when he continuously gets stronger in a fight. Its impossible for Thor to be stronger. Thor could be more durable but not stronger. Thor's strength finite. Hulks is infinite.

[The Void]

"Than Brainiac is considered useless..."

 

When it comes to prep. yes. But then again, I already pointed that out in my first post.

 

 

 

However, he still has his Technopathy(which makes him effective against Doom), Super Strength(and durability) enough to go toe to toe with Superman, Telepathy and Telekinesis. He also has relatively impressive strategical/tactical skills(though not on par with the actual tacticians/strategists on the team), and is more intelligent than anyone else in the match. So no, he is not completely useless.

 

True, but I think Thanos telepathy feats are better IMO...

 

"I bet Juggs can easily defeat Bizzaro. And his durability is a team savor."

 

What does this have to do with their prep. ability?

 

That means Juggs can completely get him out of the way, thus making the fight a bit easier? What can team darkseid do against Juggs durability. I remember magic can only really hurt him and he has his helmet for resisting telepathy.

 

 

Anyway, while Juggernaut might have the strength, and definitely has the durability, to go up against Bizarro, he(juggs) doesn't have the speed for it. Juggernaut is just barely super-human when it comes to speed, while Bizarro is easily faster than light.

 

True, but Bizarro barley uses his speed and he's dumber than Juggs.

 

"Doom is a good strategist for invading Wakanda(one of the richest and most power countries) and almost succeeding..."

 

Aye, and I never claimed that he is not a good strategist. All I said, which is simply a fact, was that the examples you brought up to show his strategic abilities, had nothing to do with his strategic skill. However, the invasion of Wakanda is pretty much his most impressive strategic 'feat'. And while it is impressive, it simply doesn't measure up to Darkseid.

 

Of course, Darkseid is cosmic level... But Thanos is a better stragetist than post crisis Darkseid. Seeing how Thanos accomplished more things like getting the Hotu...

 

"What? He out-thought Tyrant by escaping their fight."

 

Running away hardly counts as "out-thinking" your opponent. If it does, then Batman is far from as mentally impressive as I thought, considering that he is being "out-thought" by random thugs every day -.-

 

Tyrant could have killed him easily... Thanos wasn't really trying fight him.

 

 

"Thanos was able to get into Galactus mind."

 

Yea, we already covered that. He was able to enter Galactus' mind, while Galactus wasn't paying attention, or actively defending himself in anyway, and was thrown out of Galactus' mind in seconds, once he(galactus) actually started defending himself.

 

Again, that =/= "out-thinking" him.

 

I know...

 

Come on, Thanos does actually have some fairly impressive 'feats', and all you're throwing at me is the random garbage. You can do better than that.

 

You consider trying go up against Galactus garbage?? Also taking a full blast from Odin garbage?

 

"I doubt a idiot would have the brains to try to go up against Darkseid like Batman did."

 

Batman shooting Darkseid, didn't require any particular amount of intelligence. Guts, yes. But intelligence? Not so much.

 

He still found something that can hurt Darkseid. I doubt a regular person would know how to hurt him...

 

 

"That was still Galactus, I doubt people on team Galactus can resist that besides Darkseid and MAYBE Black Adam."

 

Both Darkseid and Brainiac have powerful telepathy of their own, and could resist it with relative ease. And Black Adam has proven to be extremely resistant to telepathy.

 

I doubt Braniacs telepathy is as good as Thanos. Who did Black Adam resist telepathy from?

 

"I know a lot about Darkseid. It seems you're thinking this is pre crisis Darkseid.. Pre Crisis Darkseid was able to do that, but the writers toned him down."

 

No, that was Post-crisis Darkseid. It happened about 3 years(real time) after Crisis.

 

But I'm well aware that Pre-Crisis Darkseid was considerably more powerful.

 

Scan?

 

"Odin can easily bust a galaxy."

 

That's true, but what does that have to do with anything?

 

A galaxy =/= 1/5 of a universe.

 

You said Darkseid can destroy a galaxy. And I pointed out Odin can easily destroy one. Thanos fought Odin.....

 

Mines in purple...

[The Void]

just a quick thought.

 

How can anyone be stronger than Hulk when he continuously gets stronger in a fight. Its impossible for Thor to be stronger. Thor could be more durable but not stronger. Thor's strength finite. Hulks is infinite.

 

Hulks strength limited, because there is a limit to anger... Hulk at his angriest still had trouble with the Sentry.

 

I never seen Hulk pull these off.

 

Pulls Midgard Serpent.

 

 

Thor and Hercules arm wrestling could knock the planet out of orbit!(Hercules is waaaay stronger than Hulk)

[AVP vs The Terminator]

Uh, Hulk beat the shit out of Hercules during WWH. Hell, even the standard, Savage Hulk has equaled Hercules in combat.

[Guest sirmethos]

-sigh-

 

 

"True, but I think Thanos telepathy feats are better IMO..."

 

What does that have to do with anything?

 

You said that with no tech. and thus the majority of his prep. ability taken away, Brainiac is useless. I simply pointed out that he isn't.

 

 

 

"That means Juggs can completely get him out of the way, thus making the fight a bit easier? What can team darkseid do against Juggs durability. I remember magic can only really hurt him and he has his helmet for resisting telepathy."

 

And I apparently have to repeat the question. What does that have to do with their prep ability? Stick to the point, instead of dancing around it.

 

 

Now, to answer your question, despite you not answering mine.

 

1. "What can team Darkseid do against Juggernaut's durability?". They can remove his helmet, then neutralize him with Telepathy.

 

 

"True, but Bizarro barley uses his speed and he's dumber than Juggs."

 

Hulk is dumber than Juggernaut as well, but he(hulk) has managed to beat Juggernaut plenty of times.

 

And he tends to use his speed primarily for getting in and out of slugfests. Which would be extremely useful against Juggernaut. Charge him with Superspeed(which bizarro tends to do), slug it out for a while, then retreat with Superspeed. Keep in mind that Darkseid and Thanos are the team leaders. Bizarro doesn't have to be smart, he just has to follow orders.

 

 

"Of course, Darkseid is cosmic level... But Thanos is a better stragetist than post crisis Darkseid. Seeing how Thanos accomplished more things like getting the Hotu..."

 

Thanos doesn't really have any strategist/tactics feats that are better than Darkseid's. Getting the HotU wasn't a particularly impressive feat, considering that Thanos himself, said that he was being guided/helped in getting it.

 

In comparison, one of Darkseid's best strategy feats, which is beyond anything Thanos has done, was orchestrating the war between Monarch and the Monitors. As well as his plan with sending Batman back in time. And winning the war between Gods.

 

 

"You consider trying go up against Galactus garbage?? Also taking a full blast from Odin garbage?"

 

Fantastic Four regularly go up against Galactus, Thor has gone up against Galactus, etc. etc. So yes, compared to Thanos' actually impressive feats "trying to go up against Galactus" is not impressive.

 

Also, Thanos did not take a full blast from Odin. Odin didn't consider Thanos a threat, and smacked him around like a redheaded stepchild at Walmart. The only thing that came out of the fight, was that Odin acknowledged Thanos as being tougher(more durable) than anyone thought, including Odin. But yes, his fight against Odin is, compared to his actually impressive feats, essentially garbage.

 

 

"He still found something that can hurt Darkseid. I doubt a regular person would know how to hurt him..."

 

He pulled the bullet out of Orion, which was proof that it can/could hurt a New God, then he used that same bullet against Darkseid. As I said, any idiot with a gun could have done that.

 

 

"I doubt Braniacs telepathy is as good as Thanos. Who did Black Adam resist telepathy from?"

 

And I have never claimed that Brainiac's telepathy was as good as Thanos', so that's a moot point. I said that Braininac could resist Thanos' telepathy.

 

As for Black Adam, he resisted(repelled) Martian Manhunter's first attempt to telepathically subdue him during WWIII.

 

 

 

"Scan?"

 

Dr. Fate creates a spell to destroy an entire reality, in order to keep the living Anti-Life Equation in check, so it doesn't take over the entire universe. Darkseid provides 1/5 of the power.

 

If you want the entire story, go read Galactic Odyssey.

 

 

 

"You said Darkseid can destroy a galaxy. And I pointed out Odin can easily destroy one. Thanos fought Odin....."

 

Not true, I said that Darkseid provided 1/5 of the power to destroy a universe. and that destroying a galaxy =/= destroying 1/5 of a universe.

 

As for Thanos fighting Odin, we already went over that. Odin smacked him around like a redheaded stepchild. Not particualrly an impressive feat, aside from his durability.

[xLEGACYx]

I dont understand why people think of Darkseid as a joke. He has had some laughable moments but he has also had moments where he out smarts and overpowers EVERYONE in recent history.

 

Sirmethos has already pointed out two instances

[Guest MarvelFan15]

I'm guessing you missed the part where the majority of his magical power, is removed from his arsenal, due to being in a hyperbolic type time-chamber, since that is basically a pocket dimension, completely cut off from the rest of reality.

 

2. As I(and kain) already pointed out, Doom is cut off from the majority of his magical power. Most of his spells(particularly the powerful ones) are powered by various demons and deities, that he can't access due to being in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.

 

Considering that every single demon and deity Doom calls upon for aid exists in a "pocket dimension completely cut off from reality" and said demons/deities still manage to lend him power without effort, how does being in another pocket dimension preclude the use of external magical power ups on Doom's part? Ignoring, of course, that the arena is only described as being similar to the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and not in any way existing in an alternate dimension.*

 

Not that it changes the discourse of the fight overmuch, I just find that reasoning to be a bit fallacious.

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*Unless it was stated by the OP in a PM or some such method, then I apologize.

[kainboa]

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Considering that every single demon and deity Doom calls upon for aid exists in a "pocket dimension completely cut off from reality"

 

There's just one error in this reasoning.

 

The fact that he can receive power from them, means that they aren't completely cut off from reality.

 

We've seen time and time again, that various people are able to travel to the myriads of dimensions that the different deities and demons inhabit, and as such we can quite clearly see that they are not completely cut off from the rest of reality.

 

The Hyperbolic Time Chamber, is completely cut off from the rest of reality, it is one of the two main effects of it, and there was a special warning, not to stay in it too long, since the person would be forever lost if that happened.

 

Granted with enough power it is possible to blast through that particular barrier, however for all intents and purposes, it exists as a single reality, cut off from everything else.

[The Void]

@

sirmethos

 

 

-sigh-

 

 

 

"What does that have to do with anything?

 

You said that with no tech. and thus the majority of his prep. ability taken away, Brainiac is useless. I simply pointed out that he isn't."

 

No I'm just saying I've seen better telepathy feats from Thanos. Thanos was able to mind control Hulk... Hulk who is said to be resistant to telepathy... Not even Xavier could get into Hulks mind.

 

http://i50.tinypic.com/311xrx0.jpg

 

 

"And I apparently have to repeat the question. What does that have to do with their prep ability? Stick to the point, instead of dancing around it."

 

What are you talking about? I'm not saying that has anything to do with prep ablity. I thought we already got rid of that?

 

"Now, to answer your question, despite you not answering mine.

 

1. "What can team Darkseid do against Juggernaut's durability?". They can remove his helmet, then neutralize him with Telepathy."

 

What question did I not answer? I'll gladly try to anwser it.

 

Also they have no prep... So how will they know about his weakness?

 

"True, but Bizarro barley uses his speed and he's dumber than Juggs."

 

"Hulk is dumber than Juggernaut as well, but he(hulk) has managed to beat Juggernaut plenty of times.

 

And he tends to use his speed primarily for getting in and out of slugfests. Which would be extremely useful against Juggernaut. Charge him with Superspeed(which bizarro tends to do), slug it out for a while, then retreat with Superspeed. Keep in mind that Darkseid and Thanos are the team leaders. Bizarro doesn't have to be smart, he just has to follow orders."

 

Juggernaut also beat Hulk and Thor... Thor who is stronger than Hulk... Here Thors Hammer does completely nothing against Juggs. And I believe Thors hammer moves faster than Bizarro. I'll glady provide scans.

 

 

 

And Thanos too can tell Juggs a strategy, since Thanos has been proven to be good at leading teams...

 

 

 

"Thanos doesn't really have any strategist/tactics feats that are better than Darkseid's. Getting the HotU wasn't a particularly impressive feat, considering that Thanos himself, said that he was being guided/helped in getting it.

 

In comparison, one of Darkseid's best strategy feats, which is beyond anything Thanos has done, was orchestrating the war between Monarch and the Monitors. As well as his plan with sending Batman back in time. And winning the war between Gods."

 

Thanos was almost had a plan to stop the Annihilation wave until he was killed by Drax. But Galactus was the one that single handly stopped it.

 

 

 

 

"Fantastic Four regularly go up against Galactus, Thor has gone up against Galactus, etc. etc. So yes, compared to Thanos' actually impressive feats "trying to go up against Galactus" is not impressive."

 

I doubt the Fantastic Four can knock Galactus down or take a blast from him...

 

"Also, Thanos did not take a full blast from Odin. Odin didn't consider Thanos a threat, and smacked him around like a redheaded stepchild at Walmart. The only thing that came out of the fight, was that Odin acknowledged Thanos as being tougher(more durable) than anyone thought, including Odin. But yes, his fight against Odin is, compared to his actually impressive feats, essentially garbage."

 

That still showed impressive durability.

 

 

 

"He pulled the bullet out of Orion, which was proof that it can/could hurt a New God, then he used that same bullet against Darkseid. As I said, any idiot with a gun could have done that."

 

Fair.

 

 

 

"And I have never claimed that Brainiac's telepathy was as good as Thanos', so that's a moot point. I said that Braininac could resist Thanos' telepathy."

 

My bad for misunderstanding you.

 

"As for Black Adam, he resisted(repelled) Martian Manhunter's first attempt to telepathically subdue him during WWIII."

 

I see.

 

But we can debate whether Thanos or MM's telepathy is better.

 

 

 

 

"Scan?"

 

"Dr. Fate creates a spell to destroy an entire reality, in order to keep the living Anti-Life Equation in check, so it doesn't take over the entire universe. Darkseid provides 1/5 of the power.

 

If you want the entire story, go read Galactic Odyssey."

 

 

 

 

"Not true, I said that Darkseid provided 1/5 of the power to destroy a universe. and that destroying a galaxy =/= destroying 1/5 of a universe."

 

Sorry I missunderstood you.

 

"As for Thanos fighting Odin, we already went over that. Odin smacked him around like a redheaded stepchild. Not particualrly an impressive feat, aside from his durability."

 

I posted that as a durability feat and Odin did see Thanos as one of the toughest opponent he faced for not backing down...

 

Here's another one of Thanos durability.

 

Thanos survives a MASSIVE attack from the female version Beyonder...

http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=t09182ql.jpg

http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=t09193ig.jpg

http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thanos100151by.jpg

[The Void]

I dont understand why people think of Darkseid as a joke. He has had some laughable moments but he has also had moments where he out smarts and overpowers EVERYONE in recent history.

 

Sirmethos has already pointed out two instances

 

Nobody is underestimating Darkseid.

[The Void]

Uh, Hulk beat the shit out of Hercules during WWH. Hell, even the standard, Savage Hulk has equaled Hercules in combat.

 

That was PIS... I'm not trying to be a fanboy, but come on... Hulk beating Dr Strange too..

 

Combat IDK, but strength I disagree.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5058/incrediblehercules12100.jpg

[AVP vs The Terminator]

And how much does the sky weigh, exactly? We have no way of knowing, therefore that scan isn't really an impressive feat of strength.

 

And it wasn't PIS. Savage Hulk has proven to be Hercules' equal (if not his superior) in strength. It makes sense that the considerably more powerful WWH incarnation would be capable of beating Hercules senseless.

 

WWH's fight against Doctor Strange wasn't PIS either. Strange was beating him until Zom started to take over, at which point he deliberately stopped using Zom's power.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

Considering that every single demon and deity Doom calls upon for aid exists in a "pocket dimension completely cut off from reality"

 

There's just one error in this reasoning.

 

The fact that he can receive power from them, means that they aren't completely cut off from reality.

 

We've seen time and time again, that various people are able to travel to the myriads of dimensions that the different deities and demons inhabit, and as such we can quite clearly see that they are not completely cut off from the rest of reality.

 

The Hyperbolic Time Chamber, is completely cut off from the rest of reality, it is one of the two main effects of it, and there was a special warning, not to stay in it too long, since the person would be forever lost if that happened.

 

Granted with enough power it is possible to blast through that particular barrier, however for all intents and purposes, it exists as a single reality, cut off from everything else.

 

Umm, what?

 

The Hyperbolic Time Chamber (I'm just gonna say HTC from now on to save...time) displays absolutely no difference whatsoever to the dimensional barriers that separate the main universe from the reality that the Vishanti inhabit, or the Dark Dimension. The very fact that there is a doorway which leads into the HTC is proof enough that it's indeed connected to the mainstream DBZ-verse. Add in the fact that any puncture in the HTC's spacetime leads directly back to Kami's lookout, and you begin to see that the little tesseract space isn't all that removed form reality.

 

And the warning was meaningless to anyone who has the ability to open up dimensional barriers. Barriers which are weaker than the ones separating natural dimensions, considering an unharnessed chi blast tore through its fabric and failed to do the same on the outside. Again, each being Doom would call on exists in a separate universe from 616, and anything power source that transcends dimensional barriers will filter through the barriers of the HTC.

[The Void]

And how much does the sky weigh, exactly? We have no way of knowing, therefore that scan isn't really an impressive feat of strength.

 

And it wasn't PIS. Savage Hulk has proven to be Hercules' equal (if not his superior) in strength. It makes sense that the considerably more powerful WWH incarnation would be capable of beating Hercules senseless.

 

WWH's fight against Doctor Strange wasn't PIS either. Strange was beating him until Zom started to take over, at which point he deliberately stopped using Zom's power.

 

Hercules baseline strength is way higher than Huiks. I've never seen Hulk accomplish what Hercs done strength wise. Hercules gotten way much closer to defeating Thor(Thor not holding back) compared when Hulk fights Thor. Also doubt Hulk can accomplish lifting the Heavens. Even though Hercules should have won, he was barley fighting hard against WWH.

 

Hercules actually toyed with the Sentry, Hulk had trouble fighting him.... I doubt savage Hulk is Hercs equal in the strength department

 

I hated that fight with Strange because Strange never been the same with his hands all screwed up/.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

You can doubt all you like. It's been shown numerous times in the comics that Hercules and the Hulk (once he gets angry enough) are equals, and that WWH is his superior. And realistically, Hercules should have gotten his arse kicked against Sentry. Hulk should've too, for that matter.

[Guest xman4life]

When it comes to Sentry its one of those "could be" sort of things.

 

For example Hercules base is higher than Hulks base because of Hulks niche of Stronger=Madder; Thor base is higher than Hulks as well.But people also forget about warrior maddness which increases Thors strength times 4(iirc)

 

Thor if not holding back would KILL Hulk 10/10 but thats the whole "rivalry" thing they have between them

 

Sentry however I think was shown perfectly throught the whole Dark Reign and Siege story simply due to his mental instability,His Highest was remarkable and his lowest was pitiful. So all in all due to his mental illness he could be this or could be that you never know.

 

The thing about comics is again comic mechanics; Thor going all out would be boring because there isnt many villians who would even survive. You have to make interesting.Bad guys win battles good wins the war.

[kainboa]

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Actually, as i stated earlier, we've seen on several occasions that the dimensional barriers in marvel, can be traversed basically at will, by those with the proper knowledge and/or power.

 

The only time we've seen anyone being able to exit/enter from the HTC, is through the door, and they can't exit through that until the time is up, and from the uncontrolled ki blast that ripped a hole in reality.

 

I might be remembering incorrectly, but from what I can nobody could sense their presence within the HTC, even beings like Kami and King Kai, who were able to sense their presence on other planes, like hell/heaven, and King Kais planet.

 

That is the main reason, why I believe the barrier being different from the barrier separating the main Marvel universe, from the various planes which the deities and demons that grant power to the spells which Doom would use.

[Guest xman4life]

OOOOOHH this is un fair.

1)Loki just might be the best person with prep on the team honestly(he tricked his way into cheating death and not being able to die fully, over the span of thousands of years.

2)Juggs beating Thor is PIS/comic mechanics(you pick) at its finest. Hulk was able to single handedly throw juggs and your telling me Juggs can beat Thor? No

3)Apocalypse to Juggs is like Luke Cage to Thor. Apocalypse can beat him WITH EASE.

4)Odin facing Thanos means nothing when Odin was toying with him.

5)While Darkseid has the power to destroy 1/5th of the universe if They actually faced each other Odin would beat him down. While Odin is like 4 levels up form Thanos, he is surely two up from Darkseid.

6)Juggs had his ass beaten PHYSICALLY by Onslaught remember(threw him from Canada to New York) and he was knocked out. So yeah more than just magic can hurt ole juggs.

7)Juggs while very strong is just not in the same league as Apocalypse, Thanos, and Loki.

[comic_book_fan]

Superman beat Doomsday more times than Doomsday beat him..

 

Thor holds back against Hulk, because Bruce is considered a friend to Thor. Thor beat Hulk more times in their encounter. Even Stan Lee says Thor is more stronger.

superman beats doomeday because he is the good guy and has to win he has never over powered doomesday.

stan lee was meaning thor is more powerful he has stated the hulk is the strongest because there is no limit to his strength he said in time hulk could surpass thor and the way all of the other writers that have written them has showed that hulk is stronger after one or two punches by thor and hulk surpasses him in strength and hulk's regeneration and durability is increased by his rage also after a certain point.

[The Void]

You can doubt all you like. It's been shown numerous times in the comics that Hercules and the Hulk (once he gets angry enough) are equals, and that WWH is his superior. And realistically, Hercules should have gotten his arse kicked against Sentry. Hulk should've too, for that matter.

 

Care to prove that Hulk is on Hercules level strength wise?

 

I've never seen Hulk accomplished this kinda strength feat..

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg13/scaled.php?server=13&filename=hercstrength3.jpg&res=landing

 

And I agree that both Hercules and Sentry should have won. But Sentry was only trying to calm him down, because sentry can take away his gamma radiatian or something like that(correct me if I'm wrong) and Hercules was barely fighting back.

[Callisto]

Match Final Results

Darkseid: 3

Madara Uchiha: 5

Thanos: 5

 

[The Void]

OOOOOHH this is un fair.

1)Loki just might be the best person with prep on the team honestly(he tricked his way into cheating death and not being able to die fully, over the span of thousands of years.

Agreed... But prep is imposible to work, even though the OP said prep.

2)Juggs beating Thor is PIS/comic mechanics(you pick) at its finest. Hulk was able to single handedly throw juggs and your telling me Juggs can beat Thor? No

Uh Juggs beat Hulk many times...And Juggs beating Thor was not PIS, because nothing can hurt Juggernaut.

3)Apocalypse to Juggs is like Luke Cage to Thor. Apocalypse can beat him WITH EASE.

Care to prove? You're making Apocalypse out to be this extremely powerful guy. Most of the abilities you listed, he barley even uses. I remember him getting beat by Magneto...

4)Odin facing Thanos means nothing when Odin was toying with him.

Yet Thanos was still able to hang with a skyfather...

5)While Darkseid has the power to destroy 1/5th of the universe if They actually faced each other Odin would beat him down. While Odin is like 4 levels up form Thanos, he is surely two up from Darkseid.

Thanos can take post crisis Darkseid. Just saying.

6)Juggs had his ass beaten PHYSICALLY by Onslaught remember(threw him from Canada to New York) and he was knocked out. So yeah more than just magic can hurt ole juggs.

Uhh....What is this supose to prove???? Onslaught>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Apocalypse.

7)Juggs while very strong is just not in the same league as Apocalypse, Thanos, and Loki.

Yet Apocalyse still gets beating by the X-men and Magneto. And Juggs is able to beat people like Thor.

 

Mines in Red.

[The Void]

superman beats doomeday because he is the good guy and has to win he has never over powered doomesday.

stan lee was meaning thor is more powerful he has stated the hulk is the strongest because there is no limit to his strength he said in time hulk could surpass thor and the way all of the other writers that have written them has showed that hulk is stronger after one or two punches by thor and hulk surpasses him in strength and hulk's regeneration and durability is increased by his rage also after a certain point.

 

There is a limit to his anger... The best strength feat I've seen from Hulk is when he supported the continental plates of planet Skaar and that is no where impressive compared to what Thor accomplished.

 

And I can say writers tone Thor down for the sake of "Thorr vs Hulk" rivalry..

[Guest xman4life]

Mines in Red.

You said nothing can hurt Juggs and I proved you wrong. Juggs has got his ass beat physically. Thor has also beaten Juggs(so what), Hulk has beatn juggs(so what). Your theory about him not being able to be hurt is DASHED TO PIECES.

 

Juggs has NOT beaten hulk many times........spare me. If you think for a second Thor CAN'T beat Juggs your high. Do you know what PIS/Comic mechanics mean?

 

Thanos was not able to "hang" with Odin. Odin toyed with him., and smacked him around. That doesn't count as hanging. Just like Lex Luthor "Hanging" with Superman! HAHAHAHAHA. If superman went all out Lex would die point blank.

 

Apocalypse losing to the X-Men is called PIS/Comic mechanics without a PLAN OF ATTACK AND PREP.

 

Mags ripping him in half is BULLSHIT..........and why would you think I call it BS? Well Apocalypse has TOTAL CONTROL OF HIS BODY TO A MOLECULAR LEVEL. Which means he can easily reform. Not to mention Apocalypse has matter manipulation powers...which means if Mags got close Apocalypse turns him into a peanut.

[comic_book_fan]

There is a limit to his anger... The best strength feat I've seen from Hulk is when he supported the continental plates of planet Skaar and that is no where impressive compared to what Thor accomplished.

 

And I can say writers tone Thor down for the sake of "Thorr vs Hulk" rivalry..

no there isn't it has been stated by the beyonder and stan lee lol hulk was not meant to lose a phisical fight

he was created to be an unstopable monster and that is pretty much what he is.