Guest DeoJusto Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 “The boy must train with us, his mediclorian count is higher even then grand master Yoda†“Master, isn’t this one a little too old.†“As was I, and you if you’ll remember.†Obi-Wan nods. “Right, but you and I were a few years too old. Late teens maybe. He’s in his mid-thirties. He’s waaaaay to old. I think he’s older than me. He could have kids who are already in training.†“No, I know it’s him,†Qui Gon says, “He is the chosen one. I can sense it.†He knocks on the giant Asian temple doors. They slowly slide open. Ra’s stands behind the doors, grimacing. The Jedi and the ninja exchange glances. “You’ve come a long way,†Ra’s says. “You have no idea,†Qui Gonn replies. Obi-Wan stands baffled. “I can’t believe it, the face, the voice, everything. You’re… clones.†“What do you mean?†his master asks. “Isn’t it obvious? You two are exactly identical.†“No we’re not.†“What?†Obi-wan demands, “can’t you see it, can’t you hear it?†“No.†“I can’t either,†Ra’s adds, “and we look nothing alike, not with hair like that.†“Not to mention the beard,†Qui-Gonn adds dryly. Ra’s invites the two Jedi in. They have a nice cup of tea. Qui-Gonn explains why they are there, and Ra’s shakes his head. “No. Bruce Wayne could be my greatest student. You cannot be allowed to interrupt his training.†“But I aim to train him,†Qui-Gonn replies, “Our order is driven to sustain peace and justice through discipline and righteousness.†“As does ours.†“If Bruce joins us he can have a shot at brokering a peace treaty with the Trade Federation and bringing order to the universe.†“And if he stays with us he can turn an entire city into a monument to chaos built with bricks of madness.†Qui Gonn pauses. “… How exactly would that sustain peace?†“Well its quite simple. You see—Smokebomb!†The smoke bomb goes off in the Jedi master’s face. He feels chemically induced fear beginning to creep into his normally calm mind. Obi-Wan starts fighting off random ninjas, giving himself something to do while the two master’s battle. “Clone,†he mutters, “I knew it. An Evil clone at that.†Qui Gon’s lightsaber goes BSSHHHT, and It. Is. On! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callisto Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Learn More AboutQui-Gon JinnRead more about Qui-Gon Jinn at WikipediaOfficial Site: Lucasfilm LTD Links: Qui-Gon Wikipedia page Qui-Gon StarWars.com page StarWars.com Ra's Al GhulRead more about Ra's Al Ghul at WikipediaOfficial Site: DC Comics Links: Wikipedia: Ra's Al Ghul Oracle Files: Ra's Al Ghul DCcomics.com: Ra's Al Ghul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 I am going to say Qui-Gon.. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Qui-Gon Jinn is one to use his lightsaber more then his force abilities in a battle. Qui Gon's lightsaber style has a few flaws in it that would leave a opening for someone like Ra's al Ghul to get a killing blow easily just like Darth Maul did. I may actually side with Ra's al ghul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deojusto Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 I want to interject before a half dozen people type "lightsaber=win" and argue for Ra's as well. He's got the fear powder, which the Jedi have no preparation against. Yes, they train to clear their minds of fear and anger and hate. But the fear powder isn't a magical mystical emotional thing, its basically a chemical weapon. Even if the specific fear element can be worked past, the clinical effects of the drug: blurred vision, hallucination, etc, can't be overcome. Bruce had tons of exposure to the stuff and can channel his emotions like a true Jedi; but at best he could only work through the side-effects, not gain immunity to them Ra's doesn't have to go katana to lightsaber. He may not know what one is, but he's probably smart enough to stay away from it. Hide in the shadows, strike at the right opportunity, use distractions, extra weapons, etc. And Qui-Gon isn't armored in any way so single well placed slash could do him in. -Beware your surroundings. Ra's has home field advantage. If they were in a small, brightly lit room without obstacles, Jinn would take an advantage. But the temple place thingy whatever, is full of shadows, different levels, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Very good. The fear powder is indeed another advantage Ra's Al Ghul has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Spider-man Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Ra's like 500 or something years old? I say if Qui Gon doesn't use his Force abilities I think Ra's might have a chance at winning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deojusto Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 It's Ra's from the movie so, he isn't actually 500, so he and QGJ are probably equal in terms of experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest D pymp Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Um jin can sense sneak attacks and yeah Jon wins with ease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Qui Jon won't be able to sense sneak attacks when he is too busy dealing with the fear powder. No Qui Jon doesn't win with ease because he is a Jedi that will battle with his lightsaber mostly. He won't kill with the force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Spider-man Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Qui Gon would have to use the Force to sense sneak attacks. If it's movie version of Ra's, then Jin I can see winning this, slightly. The fear powder it basically comes down to how strong his Jin's mind to not be corrupted by it. He was considered a powerful Jedi in his time. But, yeah I think it can do either way now since it's Ra's from the movie. And I'm Star Wars fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercenaryblade Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Interesting match, especially since I imagine both being played by Liam Nesson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 movie versions Jin wins easily.how?speed blitzForce holdForce pushbasic light saber strikesbetter fighting (force enhanced speed, agility, strength)Jin was able to sense most attacks (lesser than him) Ra is cool, but has no way of beating him nuff said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Qui Gon doesn't speed blitz and is one of those Jedi he doesn't use the force as much in battle as far as attacking. He also doesn't force hold in battle. Remember this is movie version. Qui Gon using the force to boost his speed and agility doesn't mean he is better in fighting then any opponent he were to face. Ra's if he had a lightsaber would win because Qui Gon's lightsaber techique has quite a few flaws in it. By the way in the Nolan films they did mention Ra's Al Ghul has been around a long time so he has the experience and skill to battle someone like Qui Gon. Qui Gon won't be sensing every attack because he will be too busy using the force to fight off the fear powder. Ra's Al Ghul's stealth attack and more will indeed work on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pymp Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 He does speed blitz, but even if he didn't he fights faster than humans do. His mind powers are more than enough to fight the scare powder and since both are aware of each other so it will still be quite easy, how is stealth going to work if he can sense his surroundings? this is a stomp actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deojusto Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 He doesn't seem that much faster then a normal human, and I'm basing that off of film footage. Also, Jedi mind powers are kind of limited, heck Qui-Gonn's mind abilities couldn't beat a flying bug merchant. Plus as I said earlier, the fear powder isn't a magical, spiritual, mind trick. It's a brain trick. And arguably Bruce has as much ability to control his emotions as a Jedi, and has had multiple exposures to the compound, and even he can't avoid its effects. And yes Jedi's can sense disturbances, and react incredibly quickly, but Qui Gonn wouldn't be 100% with the powder in his system. Plus, even with their 6th senses, Jedi can walk right into traps with the best of them. Like where they just kind of stumbled into the force field walls in episode 1, or stumbled into a force field trap in episode 2. Ra's could drop a roof on him, or attack him in some way that requires a quick response, the jedi obliges, but the response leaves him open for the real attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 um Jin is human yes but the force makes him faster or else how could he block blasters that are super fast and well aimed, think a minute about it. Ra could drop shit on him, but that would signify that Jin is not aware of Ra while Ra is aware of him, in this both are aware and Jin couldn't even mind command that alien because he is an alien and is unable to, plus to do so is Dark Side Jin is known to be powerful more so than Joruus C'baoth who commanded an entire Star Destroyer's worth of people. Simple fact that if Batman can beat the mind attack so can Jin as he doesn't need to see or even hear to feel the force. Plus there is evidence that the force user would even feel it as there has never been tried on one. Ra can withstand it too and don't forget Jin can use objects to his advantage. Jin's fighting is masterful and only a Jedi can counter it if he knows the form that can do so (Maul) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deojusto Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 But blocking blasters doesn't require super speed. They do it on film with the actors moving at normal speed. You can actually see the blasts traveling through the air. It's like lightsaber bunting. Also, Jin is aware that Ra's is around, but Ra's is a trained ninja. Disappearing is their bread and butter. Also, Batman couldn't beat the fear powder, or "mind attack" as you say. That's the point I was making, Batman couldn't do it, and Jinn is probably equal to Batman in terms of dealing with it. A force user would feel it's effects because it has nothing to do with the force. It has to do with having a nervous system, which Qui-Gonn has. As for fighting styles, I say meh. Jedi fighting style is sword fighting. Being Jedi-ish does not make it better than other forms of sword fighting. Neither of them know the other's style so Jin would be at the same disadvantage. And just looking at the choreography from their fights, I'd say Ra's looks pretty masterful. Granted if their blades ever met, the katana would get sliced like a sandwich. (edit also I just remembered, the Jedi get trapped in nearly the first five minutes of episode 1. Right after Qui Gonn says, "I don't sense anything wrong.") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 the thing is you are using the actors? the actors are portraying jedi not them just swatting a lighted stick around. In the movie version of Ra he was othing speacial as Batman in that movie is just a man in a cape as you say. Man to man they are both the same actor and therefore are equal if thats the case its a stalemate. He cannot sense everything true, but can sense immediate traps not things that are too far planned like a Sun exploding or something. He is close to mace and Yoda/ Obi and they all survived the Purge which was planned out and done super fast. All I'm saying a guy hiding in the bushes doesnt mean crap to someone that can react 100 times faster than a normal human can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supes Rulez Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I think that this will be a long, brutal, and INCREDIBLY close battle. Ultimately, Qui Gon in the midst of battle would find a way to calm his mind, and although the fear toxin is powerful, one who has the Force could find a way to combat it's effects (albeit with some difficulty). I think Qui Gon would just barely win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirmethos Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Qui-Gon has several advantages here, due to The Force, that puts the odds in his favor. 1. Unlike Batman, he is actually capable of overcoming the Fear Toxin.2. His enhanced reflexes and battle-precognition.3. His greater agility.4. His Offensive and Defensive capabilities(primarily telekinesis). Not to mention that Ra's has to dodge his attacks, where Qui-Gon can simply block or deflect any attacks directed at him. Ra's is almost definitely more skilled than Qui-Gon. But that, and the fact that he has the home-field advantage, are the only real advantages he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callisto Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Match Final ResultsUSER RATINGS A C B C B A SCORE Qui-Gon Jinn: 26Ra's Al Ghul: 12FPA: 3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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