treacherous Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 This is the official battle that started here - http://www.electricferret.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2781 Team Skirmisher vs. Team Nova1. Vegito vs. Superman2. The Emperor of Mankind (pre "Transcendence") vs. Goku3. Peter Petrelli (pre encounter with his father) vs. Dr. Strange4. Master Chief vs. Nova5. Mace Windu vs. Gladiator6. Zhuge Liang vs. Shazam7. Dr. Strange vs. The SentryThe characters have no prior knowledge of each other. Simple question: Who wins? Discuss, debate and help pick the perfect team. Choose wisely, because the best hero team will have to fight the winning super villain team. Poll ends: Nov 9th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treacherous Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 I pushed back the date of this one due to it being a little late. I'm not excepting anymore entries at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 1. Vegito vs. SupermanI would say Vegito wins this hands down. 2. The Emperor of Mankind (pre "Transcendence") vs. GokuIt may be tough to get through that thick skull, but if any psyker in all of fiction can do it then The EOM can. 3. Peter Petrelli (pre encounter with his father) vs. Dr. StrangeHmm... Peter probably wouldn't be able to mimic Strange's Magic, though he does already possess a good assortment of powers that should win it for him. 4. Master Chief vs. NovaNova... I don't think much would be left of the Chief after this... 5. Mace Windu vs. GladiatorMothaf**ka, another loss, Windu dies here... 6. Zhuge Liang vs. ShazamDoes it have to be a fight, I think that Liang could probably convince Shazam to have a friendly game of Chess which would even it up... 7. Dr. Strange vs. The SentryI would think that Strange would be one of the very few in Marvel to actually be able to defeat Sentry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treacherous Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 The Emperor of Mankind is the only character I don't know much about. Tell me more (something I can't learn from Wiki perhaps) and I can make a decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 The Emperor of Mankind is the only character I don't know much about. Tell me more (something I can't learn from Wiki perhaps) and I can make a decision.Not much is actually told in great detail, but it is confirmed that he is an Alpha Plus Level psyker... below him would be Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta etc... For perspective, a Delta level could read the minds of an entire town at the same time, or crush a man to death against a wall in seconds. A Beta was able to flash fry an entire company of soldiers in a few seconds, and give prophetic visions to a regiment for months before he was stopped... Alpha's are said to be able to rip a Battle Titan in half with a thought, or send an entire world into madness... sometimes just by accident. But these are just regular Human Psykers, The EOM is beyond Humanity, and it is said that there is nothing that he cannot do with will alone. There is a reason that the general population of humanity in 40K started to see the Emperor as a God, despite all his claims to the contrary. And to put it in a Marvel point of view, I would think that Charles Xavier would class as a High Level Gamma, bump him a rank if he's using Cerebro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treacherous Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 Okay and Goku is supposed to be immune to the mind games, right? However, that is pretty powerful. Soooo, can anybody prove to me that this guy can't fry Goku's brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Okay and Goku is supposed to be immune to the mind games, right? However, that is pretty powerful. Soooo, can anybody prove to me that this guy can't fry Goku's brain.I don't think so, I'm a big proponent of the Saiyan Mental Defense, but even I would balk at him being able to resist the EOM. Also for fight #6 is that the Wizard Shazam or Captain Marvel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Man Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 1. Vegito vs. Superman Vegito sweeps the floor with Superman.Skirm: 1Nova: 0 2. The Emperor of Mankind (pre "Transcendence") vs. Goku I don't buy the Mental Denfense thing. The Emperor takes this. Easy.Skirm: 2Nova: 0 3. Peter Petrelli (pre encounter with his father) vs. Dr. Strange Peter's got nothing. This is basically Twilight vs Homer. Peter's got fans, but Strange talks to gods.Skirm: 2Nova: 1 4. Master Chief vs. Nova When even Skirmisher admits that the Chief goes down there's not much to add.Skirm: 2Nova: 2 5. Mace Windu vs. Gladiator Windu's one tough Jedi, but he ain't got nothing on Gladiator. Gladiator rips him in half, then throws him on a plane full of snakes.Skirm: 2Nova: 3 6. Zhuge Liang vs. Shazam Hmmm.... Judging by Skirmisher's response, I'm going with Shazzam.Skirm: 2Nova: 4 7. Dr. Strange vs. The Sentry Tough call. If either had any knowledge of the other, I'd give this to Sentry (just barely). Without that small advantage, Strange figures out a quick spell and sends Robert into a black hole.Skirm: 3Nova: 4 It seems like Nova takes this. Good fight from Skirmisher though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 3. Peter Petrelli (pre encounter with his father) vs. Dr. Strange Peter's got nothing. This is basically Twilight vs Homer. Peter's got fans, but Strange talks to gods.Skirm: 2Nova: 1Don't forget, this is before he got Gimped with his cut down Mimic power. He would still have the ones he's used before like Flight from his brother, Space-time manipulation from Hiro, Rapid cellular regeneration from Clair, Telepathy from Matt, Invisibility from Claud, Telekinesis from Sylar, Enhanced strength from Nikki, Electric manipulation from Elle, Phasing from Hawkins, etc. etc. etc. I see him as almost if not as strong as the first two fighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Man Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Those are all pretty cool powers. Sadly, Strange has one power which tops all those. Magic/Deus Ex Machina!!! Note: Seriously, Strange tops any of those powers. I'd like to see Peter fight in the astral plane... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Those are all pretty cool powers. Sadly, Strange has one power which tops all those. Magic/Deus Ex Machina!!! Note: Seriously, Strange tops any of those powers. I'd like to see Peter fight in the astral plane...Here's what probably would happen. Fight starts and Peter disappears [time stop, thank you Hiro] then he causally walks behind Strange and (Since IIRC he can only use one power at a time) Starts time again while he punches Strange in the back of the head with his Super Strength. I know he's Mr. Deus Ex Machina, but he shouldn't have the Time to pull it off. He is after all just a regular Human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Man Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Or, more likely, Strange rips open a hole in space and time. The hole then transports Peter to a dimension of tentacle *insensitivity*. (I have a scan if you need it) Strange pops open a cold one and walks off into the sunset... Note: Strange has also shown ability to control time as well. I'd like to think they'd cancel out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Or, more likely, Strange rips open a hole in space and time. The hole then transports Peter to a dimension of tentacle *insensitivity*. (I have a scan if you need it) Strange pops open a cold one and walks off into the sunset... Note: Strange has also shown ability to control time as well. I'd like to think they'd cancel out.But Strange still requires spells and incantations, or at least a wave of an amulet or something. Peter just has to think about it and time stops, and the thing with stopping time is that even though Strange has spells that can do the same, he couldn't use them before Peter could. The fight would start and Peter would immediately be behind Strange punching him in the back of the head with Super Strength. As for the Tentacle *insensitivity* Dimension... I know, I've seen it, and what has been seen cannot be unseen!... But it was how I pictured him winning against Sentry, since he's kinda unkillable or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Man Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Let's ask ourselves, would Peter do that if he... The characters have no prior knowledge of each other. ... had no prior knowledge to Dr. Strange? Peter's not that type of person. Strange though, he has several spells which will take Peter out, but not harm him (permanently). So.... I'm still siding with Strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Let's ask ourselves, would Peter do that if he... ... had no prior knowledge to Dr. Strange? Peter's not that type of person. Strange though, he has several spells which will take Peter out, but not harm him (permanently). So.... I'm still siding with Strange.Telepathy! Strange to himself ~ "Yes, I think the Tentacle *insensitivity* Dimension would be a Great place to dump this one..." Peter ~ "Tentacle *insensitivity*?!?!?! Not on your life!" He then does everything in his power to take Strange down. He may start out with Electricity and try to tazer, or Telekinesis, or Super Speed, but the good old Stand By is Space-Time Manipulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zreth Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Can i see the scan of this so called Tentacle *insensitivity* Dimension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Can i see the scan of this so called Tentacle *insensitivity* Dimension.I would to... just to confirm that it wasn't some horrible nightmare... and to get the pics to make a motivational poster... Dr. Strange! Don't F with him or you'll be banished to eternal Tentacle *insensitivity*! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Here it is... Peters Abilities from when I picked him as a character "After Peter first discovered his powers, he generally used one power at any given time. As he gained greater control over his ability, Peter demonstrated that he was able to access multiple powers at once." That's what I was Thinking about. So he can use multiple powers at a time. I still say that he can Beat Dr. Strange, as he has a wide array of powers that he can call with a thought, whereas Dr. Strange needs to recite spells and incantations. Then again I probably should have used Future Peter, the one that's ruthless and wouldn't hesitate to kill for the greater good. Actually that's the difference... The Peter on my team would probably stop time and attempt to render Strange unconscious with a few punches... Future Peter would probably stop time and then Phase his fist into Dr. Stranges face then pull everything out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Man Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Hold up. First of all, Peter's time manipulation isn't absolute. I remember seeing Hiro fight this superfast chick. The superfast gal moved at regular speed when Hiro tried to stop time. And she wasn't even moving fast to begin with. In fact, even when time was normal, she was far below the speed of sound. I'd put her at 50 miles, tops. Second, Dr. Strange has shown that he has vast powers over time and space. What's to stop him from doing that and canceling out Peter. Third, the man has so much more experience than Peter. Strange has battled cosmic beings, rulers of dimensions, and even talked to Infinity! The man has traveled through so many places, that I'd doubt if anything surprises him anymore. Heck, he even fought Adam Warlock with the Infinity Gauntlet! Fourth, how will Peter get through Strange's shields. Even when not in battle, he keeps some in place, just in case. These things have taken massive amounts of damage, and I have yet to see someone teleport inside them. Fifth, Strange has crazy powerful psychic shields. In Astral form, he rivals even the most powerful psychics on Marvel Earth. I'd like to see Peter try to read Strange's mind.... Seriously, I can't think of a single power which could help Peter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Hmm...i'm doing pretty good...its tied.(Though to be honest, I kinda just used all powerhouses) My ideal team would be far different... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Hmm...i'm doing pretty good...its tied.(Though to be honest, I kinda just used all powerhouses) My ideal team would be far different...Yes, you have no Tactician or Strategist, as well as no clear Leader... I would say that yes, your team is powerful, though I could also see them being out maneuvered, which is why I have Zhuge Liang. Thanks to Dynasty Warriors he's quite strong, in both strength and Magic, though not as strong as Captain Marvel (Shazam), I could certainly see him easily out wit him. So after the initial bouts, going by popular opinion it would still be Vegito, TEOM, and Dr. Strange vs Dr. Strange, Nova, Gladiator, and Shazam So going by the same order of the list Vegito vs StrangeIf he really wanted to win, Vegito could and would against Strange, he's shown the ability to punch through extremely strong shields before, and with his DBZ fighting reflexes he could utterly blitz Strange before any Big magic could be cast. TEOM vs NovaI don't know too much about Nova, though the EOM should have many ways of dealing with him. Strange vs GladiatorTentacle *insensitivity*? That's enough to shake anyone's confidences... with Shazam sitting out this round Bumping the list further Vegito vs ShazamDo I really have to say it? [End] Oh hell, let's say that Glads won against StrangeVegito vs GladiatorSame outcome as all his other fights TEOM vs Shazam*insensitivity*... [Fin] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treacherous Posted November 4, 2009 Author Share Posted November 4, 2009 Good debating causes ties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Hold up. First of all, Peter's time manipulation isn't absolute. I remember seeing Hiro fight this superfast chick. The superfast gal moved at regular speed when Hiro tried to stop time. And she wasn't even moving fast to begin with. In fact, even when time was normal, she was far below the speed of sound. I'd put her at 50 miles, tops. That was Daphne who has shown the ability to cross the world in very little time. As well, it was also a side benefit of here "Speed Force" as she was only able to "Catch up" to the moment. Lastly, Hiro only slowed time down drastically, not completely stop it. Other times that Time Stop have been used has completely stopped time. Second, Dr. Strange has shown that he has vast powers over time and space. What's to stop him from doing that and canceling out Peter. What stops him is that he has to cast spells which is actually infinitely slower than Peters thought activated powers. As such the moment that the Battle Starts, Peter would already have stopped time, before Strange could even start to cast anything. As well, even if he managed to get off a Time Stop of his own, due to the fact that he has to cast it his stopped time would be in a future moment to that of Peters, so as long as Peter is able to Stop Strange in his moment then Strange wouldn't be able to go back to Peters moment and battle him... Third, the man has so much more experience than Peter. Strange has battled cosmic beings, rulers of dimensions, and even talked to Infinity! The man has traveled through so many places, that I'd doubt if anything surprises him anymore. Heck, he even fought Adam Warlock with the Infinity Gauntlet! That would all be good if it were an even playing field, it's not, and that experience wouldn't really matter. Fourth, how will Peter get through Strange's shields. Even when not in battle, he keeps some in place, just in case. These things have taken massive amounts of damage, and I have yet to see someone teleport inside them. The thing though is that as long as Peter is in his stopped time moment, he could keep on hitting and hitting with his super strength. Although not as powerful as the bigger heavy hitters, it would be like the Flash pelting someone with rocks, it'll add up. Since he has an infinite amount of time in his moment (barring fatigue/hunger/thrust) he could probably eventually break through Stranges shields. Fifth, Strange has crazy powerful psychic shields. In Astral form, he rivals even the most powerful psychics on Marvel Earth. I'd like to see Peter try to read Strange's mind.... Ok, got me there Seriously, I can't think of a single power which could help Peter... Time Manipulation combined with Super Strength and/or Phasing and/or Super Speed and/or Pyrokinesis and/or Radioactivity...My reply in Olive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 You have me curious as to how my ideal team would stand up against yours... NovaCaptain AmericaGogeta(Had to put this)X-ManDr. StrangeQuicksilverJuggernaut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirmisher Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 You have me curious as to how my ideal team would stand up against yours... NovaCaptain AmericaGogeta(Had to put this)X-ManDr. StrangeQuicksilverJuggernaut Well matching them up to their corresponding member rolls Nova vs Vegito = Vegito (Not many can actually stand up to him) Captain America vs Zhuge Liang = Liang, as he's a much better tactician and strategist, has dealt with other super powered heroes and villains and is also super powered in strength durability and Magical powers. Gogeta vs Master Chief = The Chief takes the bullet here, then Vegito mops up. X-Man vs TEOM = TEOM as he is the immortal combined incarnation of a few thousand powerful "Shamans", is a Alpha Plus psyker that has no limit on his ability, was able to shatter the mind of his son Horus who was amped up on the Four Chaos gods, etc. etc. etc. Like I said, there's a reason that Humanity views him as a god, and he has to repeatedly tell them he's not. Dr. Strange vs Dr. Strange = Negation/Even Quicksilver vs Peter = Peter, Timestop And Super Speed beat Super Speed Juggernaut vs Mace = Could go either way, Juggs may not actually be able to touch Mace, and Mace's Shatterpoint ability may allow him to either beat or at least bypass his invulnerability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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