Indolent Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 There's a difference between just a hunk of Vibranium and the Vibranium Mesh, which AvP outlined. Which you didn't know, which is understandable. Typically a block of Vibranium would be able to absorb a plasma caster shot as well but since this is the mesh version, highly unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 All the necessary points have been made. Personally, i think that if the Yautja didn't have the Plasma Caster then it would be a definite, but eventual and bloody hard-earned, win for Panther, but seeing as the Yautja has that one, big advantage, he might win, or at least injure Panther enough that even if he does lose Panther would die soon afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 All the necessary points have been made. Personally, i think that if the Yautja didn't have the Plasma Caster then it would be a definite, but eventual and bloody hard-earned, win for Panther, but seeing as the Yautja has that one, big advantage, he might win, or at least injure Panther enough that even if he does lose Panther would die soon afterwards. XLegacyX just confirmed that here we have a Yautja who not only knows Jehdin, but also Ninjutsu... A Yautja Elder with the experience, the physical strength, durability, speed, armor and weapons-- knowing two martial arts styles. If this Yautja knows how to use his chi to imbue his strikes, then this is even more brutal than I originally thought. I think you're giving Panther a little too much credit if he somehow manages to win, which is highly unlikely at this point. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 It doesn't matter if the Predator knows those martial arts, Black Pather is still going to be more skilled by a large margin. You're talking about someone who's on Iron Fist/Cap/Daredevil/Wolverine level of fighting skill, i.e, the best in the Marvel Universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 It doesn't matter if the Predator knows those martial arts, Black Pather is still going to be more skilled by a large margin. You're talking about someone who's on Iron Fist/Cap/Daredevil/Wolverine level of fighting skill, i.e, the best in the Marvel Universe. That doesn't change the fact that we have a Predator here who physically outclasses T'challa by a wide margain, not to mention has been observing him for quite sometime now, which could perhaps count as preparation time-- meaning already this Elder knows what T'challa is capable of and might know what he's going to do. A lot of people have mentioned that this was something that works in favor of this Elder here. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Did I say anything about any of that? Or about the outcome of the match for that matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 The experience matters but Force is right, Panther is more skilled... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 The experience matters but Force is right, Panther is more skilled... I wasn't questioning that. However I am saying either way, that doesn't change what everyone, including yourself has said so far concerning where the outcome of this match might go. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Also, while the Elder has been alive longer, and probably has more raw time fighting, Black Panther's experience is probably of a higher quality, i.e, he fights threats more dangerous than what the Predator's used to facing on a daily basis. Also, if he portions his projectiles carefully to take out weapons instead of going for a kill shot, you have a lot more even fight. A spike through the plasma gun, disabled. And he's on his home turf. Knowing BP, there's probably machine gun turrets in the trees or something like that. I say the Smart Disks create the main problem for BP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Also, while the Elder has been alive longer, and probably has more raw time fighting, Black Panther's experience is probably of a higher quality, i.e, he fights threats more dangerous than what the Predator's used to facing on a daily basis. Considering that this is perhaps a fan character created by XLegacyX, it's actually quite hard to say what exactly this Elder has fought but it is confirmed that this is an Elder who has hunted numerous humans and even learned ninjutsu from observing them. At this point, that is all I can really say so if XLegacyX wants to say more exactly on what this Elder has hunted, that's his descretion and his alone. However I am more than certain that this Elder has hunted his share of Xenomorphs as well, other than that-- ask XLegacyX. Also, if he portions his projectiles carefully to take out weapons instead of going for a kill shot, you have a lot more even fight. A spike through the plasma gun, disabled. And he's on his home turf. Knowing BP, there's probably machine gun turrets in the trees or something like that. There is no question that the shoulder plasma caster can be disabled like that, however it's not exactly a delicate piece of equipment as in Alien vs Predator, Charles Bishop Weyland dropped one of the casters and it really sustained no damage during his rush away from an emergency from what I recall. But if the caster is damaged when in use, then yes it can be disabled. As for the machine gun turrets-- I would think that XLegacyX would've made mention of that in the details over the equipment. So far he hasn't made mention that there are traps or suprises, and concerning the set up-- this is a straight up fight. Neither side is running away here, or luring another to a trap. I say the Smart Disks create the main problem for BP. I agree there. Also, we have to consider what model it could possible be. I mean the Standard Issue smart disc is nasty in itself, but the Nanovibronic Upgraded ones are insanely powerful as far as cutting force goes. Their molecular disruption field is amplified and in some cases, some happen to carry saws in order to liquify the innards of their prey. Either way, a smart disc is a major, major problem. It can also be used as a melee weapon too. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I think you're giving Panther a little too much credit No, i'm not, at all. I stated above that i think if Panther does win then it would be hard-earned, and he might even die from the injuries systained afterwards. The experience matters but Force is right, Panther is more skilled... The above is very true, and what's below are just good points. It doesn't matter if the Predator knows those martial arts, Black Pather is still going to be more skilled by a large margin. You're talking about someone who's on Iron Fist/Cap/Daredevil/Wolverine level of fighting skill, i.e, the best in the Marvel Universe. Also, while the Elder has been alive longer, and probably has more raw time fighting, Black Panther's experience is probably of a higher quality, i.e, he fights threats more dangerous than what the Predator's used to facing on a daily basis. Also, if he portions his projectiles carefully to take out weapons instead of going for a kill shot, you have a lot more even fight. A spike through the plasma gun, disabled. And he's on his home turf. Knowing BP, there's probably machine gun turrets in the trees or something like that. I say the Smart Disks create the main problem for BP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLEGACYx Posted October 13, 2012 Author Share Posted October 13, 2012 If you dont mind me asking, what do you think of the story so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 If you dont mind me asking, what do you think of the story so far? As a writer you've got your cut out for you. But it's something of a start. Storywise, I am not too particularly fond of storylines where Yautja directly hunt Superheroes, especially popular ones of the Marvel and DC universe, at least not without having fought other characters who have some form of superpower or skill anyway to give them that experience to better deal with Superheroes. While Jaeger has pointed out that there have been some cases of these superheroes from both respective universes losing to outside characters, usually as far as the votes go-- really don't turn out so well for the other guys who aren't Marvel or DC. But of course, this is perhaps my bias talking because I am not really particularly fond of superheroes. I mean if the outcome were not determined by the votes, and perhaps more of the debating-- you'd have something better on your hands. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 What a blatantly shallow reason to dislike a story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakaiThwei Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 What a blatantly shallow reason to dislike a story. On the contrary. I like storylines where superheroes are actually hunted down and maybe even killed. I have no problem with that, but it's the direction and the way it's handled that I am critical of, that said I wasn't even knocking down Legacy's attempt here. Far from that, I just think he could've done it differently rather than going straight for the major league superheroes (i.e. Marvel and DC heroes). Hence why I said: Storywise, I am not too particularly fond of storylines where Yautja directly hunt Superheroes, especially popular ones of the Marvel and DC universe, at least not without having fought other characters who have some form of superpower or skill anyway to give them that experience to better deal with Superheroes. What I mean was that, there could've been a direction to approach handling this differently. Legacy could've written the match up where this Elder Predator was hunting characters who are powered in someway-- they don't have to be superheroes to be superpowered. I mean some characters could've been either cyborgs, wizards, genetically altered specimens, supernatural beings-- etc, etc before, for a lack of a better term of the word, working for the main course-- superheroes. In short, taking small steps to better prepare a character, any character in dealing with certain adversaries through experiences in an arc. It doesn't have to be a Predator in any arc, it could be a Ninja Turtle, Street Fighter, or whatever. I never did say that I never liked this storyline, I just simply shared on how it could've been perhaps handled a bit better. -Rakai'Thwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 And why do you want him to do this? To give the Pred a better chance at his fights 'cause it'll have more experience? Like I said, a shallow improvement for a shallow reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSkillz Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Another good set-up, LEGACY, and interesting matchup. I'm pretty sure the Wakandan guards have tech that could take out that laser grid (enough vibranium could almost easily absorb it), as well as weaponry that could handle the Elder Predator. Given that Cetanu has challenged the Black Panther directly, though, T'Challa's men aren't likely to interfere here. This could be a pretty tough fight. BP's likely the more skilled of the two combatants, but the Elder's much stronger and likely quicker. That and the Elder's own combat skills/experience could render the skill gap almost irrelevant. BP could use his vibranium weapons to damage/destroy many of Cetanu's own weapons, but he's got no answer for the Smart Disc. In the end, I think Cetanu eventually wins this. Whether he actually claims a trophy at the end, though, may be another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skadoosh Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Regarding the Smart Disc, if the field of energy it creates around the edge is just that, around the edge, then it's still possible to break it with a Vibranium weapon by hitting it in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callisto Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Match Final ResultsUSER RATINGS B Okay, so far you've managed to fixiate more on the Yautja mythos, and perhaps even created an OC based on the mythos which Steve Perry had utilized. Excellent choice in that, and also good choice in also giving this Elder some perks such as him using Ninjutsu as part of his skill arsenal. However, I do think that it would be good if you made these perks and talents made mentioned of in the set up rather than hinted, and be a bit more clearer on that. B Good matchup. A SCORE Black Panther: 14Elder Predator: 25FPA: 3.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLEGACYx Posted October 16, 2012 Author Share Posted October 16, 2012 Match Final ResultsUSER RATINGSB Okay, so far you've managed to fixiate more on the Yautja mythos, and perhaps even created an OC based on the mythos which Steve Perry had utilized. Excellent choice in that, and also good choice in also giving this Elder some perks such as him using Ninjutsu as part of his skill arsenal. However, I do think that it would be good if you made these perks and talents made mentioned of in the set up rather than hinted, and be a bit more clearer on that.B Good matchup.A SCOREBlack Panther: 14Elder Predator: 25FPA: 3.3I will come up with the next part here sometime today 10/16/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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